The major reason Islam was so successful was due to chivalry and mercy towards civilians - Most merciful conquerors in history

[samv]

Slavery was viewed negatively and the prophet encouraged to release slaves. Most of these slaves come from pre-Islam. specifically the one who mentioned on the up.

As for these concubines and conquered kids they were legal in order to provide for them and no Islam didn't kill all men only these who were combatants. Islam is not like any other religion. The others were barbarians straight up and responsible for races going extinct.

They had by far the most humane laws in times of war and merciful towards humanity specifically towards the weak

No. It was not viewed negatively. The Prophet Muhammad himself kept and bought slaves. Why would he do that if it was viewed negatively?

Did you read the hadith?


....Abu Sa’id said We went out with the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) on the expedition to Banu Al Mustaliq and took some Arab women captive and we desired the women for we were suffering from the absence of our wives and we wanted ransom, so we intended to withdraw the penis (while having intercourse with the slave women)....

Hadith - Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah) - Sunan Abi Dawud - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Muhairiz said “I entered the mosque and saw Abu Sa’id Al Khudri . I sat with him and asked about withdrawing the penis (while having intercourse). Abu Sa’id said We went out with the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) on the expedition to Banu Al Mustaliq and took some Arab women captive and we desired th

sunnah.com

Do you honestly think women would consent to having sex with the murderers of their husbands and sons? Think about it. This is sex slavery and rape.

I'm referring to primary Islamic sources here.

Not western propaganda or orientalist writings.

 

[fitpOsitive]

So Islam is like all other religions and is a religion for all time?

And what else you know about Islam other than this? Its like quoting a death sentence law from a law book and calling it inhumane, while ignoring all other laws and why they were made in first place. Such type of selective quoting is only done for the purpose of defaming something.

Islam has a background, and Islamic laws have background too.

About the Hadith: https://sunnah.com/abudawud/12/127

This hadith is about captive women and treatment with them. Islam permitted to take people in slavery, and thus we have laws for that, in those days, but today it is declared by Ulama of Islam as null and void.

Secondly, we saw treatment of muslim women in the Genocides of Myanmar, Bosnia, Kusovo, Armenia... and we saw Rape of Tamil Women during recent civil war in Srilanka by Sinhali forces.... And I don't know which hadiths non-muslims were following while doing it.

If you are against Islam being a Srinlankan bodh Sinhali, its ok, we understand that, and we can see that in your selective quoting of Hadith.

But if you are really after truth, then try to study from ground up. Start with Sinhali translation of Quraan.

 

[samv]

And what else you know about Islam other than this? Its like quoting a death sentence law from a law book and calling it inhumane, while ignoring all other laws and why they were made in first place. Such type of selective quoting is only done for the purpose of defaming something.

Islam has a background, and Islamic laws have background too.

About the Hadith: https://sunnah.com/abudawud/12/127

This hadith is about captive women and treatment with them. Islam permitted to take people in slavery, and thus we have laws for that, in those days, but today it is declared by Ulama of Islam as null and void.

Secondly, we saw treatment of muslim women in the Genocides of Myanmar, Bosnia, Kusovo, Armenia... and we saw Rape of Tamil Women during recent civil war in Srilanka by Sinhali forces.... And I don't know which hadiths non-muslims were following while doing it.

If you are against Islam being a Srinlankan bodh Sinhali, its ok, we understand that, and we can see that in your selective quoting of Hadith.

But if you are really after truth, then try to study from ground up. Start with Sinhali translation of Quraan.

All the "other laws" aren't that great either.

For example, I can't agree with:

- Amputation for theft
- Stoning to death for adultery
- Death penalty for apostacy and homosexuality
- Children ready for marriage once they hit puberty
- Non Muslims to pay a special tax
- Muslim women cannot marry non-Muslim men

You may believe these are humane and acceptable. I don't.

Thank you for accepting that slavery is acceptable in Islam. A lot of Muslims completely deny it.

Rape is wrong regardless of who carries it out.

The hadith I quoted showed that was regarded as acceptable however.

A similar example would be Indian soldiers invading a Pakistani village, killing all the men and taking the women as their property and proceeding to have sex with them.

Would that be acceptable to you?

I am not against Islam. I've taken the time to study it. And I appreciate how many people are so devoted to it.

But this is a false claim:

"The major reason Islam was so successful was due to chivalry and mercy towards civilians "

 

[fitpOsitive]

No. It was not viewed negatively. The Prophet Muhammad himself kept and bought slaves. Why would he do that if it was viewed negatively?

Did you read the hadith?


....Abu Sa’id said We went out with the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) on the expedition to Banu Al Mustaliq and took some Arab women captive and we desired the women for we were suffering from the absence of our wives and we wanted ransom, so we intended to withdraw the penis (while having intercourse with the slave women)....

Hadith - Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah) - Sunan Abi Dawud - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Muhairiz said “I entered the mosque and saw Abu Sa’id Al Khudri . I sat with him and asked about withdrawing the penis (while having intercourse). Abu Sa’id said We went out with the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) on the expedition to Banu Al Mustaliq and took some Arab women captive and we desired th

sunnah.com

Do you honestly think women would consent to having sex with the murderers of their husbands and sons? Think about it. This is sex slavery and rape.

I'm referring to primary Islamic sources here.

Not western propaganda or orientalist writings.

I will repeat, such things happen in war, and I quoted some happenings in recent times.
Islam gave laws even about it.
You quoted the fact Sahaba had sex with slave women, but you totally ignored the fact that through which procedure these women reached Sahaba. This was a thorough and controlled process, not like a rape spree.

 

[Titanium100]

All the "other laws" aren't that great either.

For example, I can't agree with:

- Amputation for theft
- Stoning to death for adultery
- Death penalty for apostacy and homosexuality
- Children ready for marriage once they hit puberty
- Non Muslims to pay a special tax
- Muslim women cannot marry non-Muslim men

You may believe these are humane and acceptable. I don't.

Thank you for accepting that slavery is acceptable in Islam. A lot of Muslims completely deny it.

Rape is wrong regardless of who carries it out.

The hadith I quoted showed that it is acceptable however.

You have been repeating the same stuff again and again. The quote is not about rape and rape is not acceptable in Islam but that quote was about withdrawal. That hadith has nothing to do with this.

The laws set by god for punishments is quite fair it eliminates theft.

By the way this is not a theology debate but rather merciful invaders who didn't ransack civilians

 

[samv]

You have been repeating the same stuff again and again. The quote is not about rape and rape is not acceptable in Islam but that quote was about withdrawal. That hadith has nothing to do with this.

The laws set by god for punishments is quite fair it eliminates theft.

By the way this is not a theology debate but rather merciful invaders who didn't ransack civilians

Actually it is about sex with captives. Do you think captive women go "Yes! lets have sex! " with the men who have just slaughtered their husbands, fathers and sons?

Be honest.

"ma malakat aymanukum "

I will repeat, such things happen in war, and I quoted some happenings in recent times.
Islam gave laws even about it.
You quoted the fact Sahaba had sex with slave women, but you totally ignored the fact that through which procedure these women reached Sahaba. This was a thorough and controlled process, not like a rape spree.

You mean their fathers, sons and husbands were killed and they were divided as war booty (property) among the sahaba?

Yes a controlled process because it was all legalised.

The holocaust was also a controlled process.

It does not mean it is ethical.

"War booty" is basically ransacking.

 

[Titanium100]

Actually it is about sex with captives. Do you think captive women go "Yes! lets have sex! " with the men who have just slaughtered their husbands, fathers and sons?

Be honest.

"ma malakat aymanukum "


You mean their fathers, sons and husbands were killed and they were divided as war booty (property) among the sahaba?

Yes a controlled process because it was all legalised.

The holocaust was also a controlled process.

First of all what is up with the letter capitals you come off rather desparate. Chill I am not blind I will read your texts no need to use capital letters big black letters.

Where did it say they rape them or where did it say they just got them? They had these concubines for a long time. The whole thing was brought up for pulling out whether it was legel or not.

Islam is by far the most humane and had the most civilized civilizations and history bear witness to this

 

[samv]

First of all what is up with the letter capitals you come off rather desparate. Chill I am not blind I will read your texts no need to use capital letters big black letters.

Where did it say they rape them or where did it say they just got them? They had these concubines for a long time

Oh ok so that makes it ok if you've had a slave for a while to have sex with them after killing their husband/brother/son/father? How long do you have to wait for it to be acceptable? One day? One week? One month? One year?

 

[Titanium100]

Oh ok so that makes it ok if you've had a slave for a while to have sex with them after killing their husband/brother/son/father?
How long do you have to wait for it to be acceptable?

Yes. She is a concubine. She becomes your woman. What are you gonna do just abandon her in the middle of the desert after her Father/brother/Husband has fallen on the battlefield.

The world was a completely different place back in the day. killing their providers could mean indirectly the end of their lives

 

[samv]

Yes. She is a concubine. She becomes your woman. What are you gonna do just abandon her in the middle of the desert after her Father/brother/Husband has fallen on the battlefield

So what you're saying is that Islam accepts sex slavery.

You get to kill the husband and keep the woman.

And have sex with her as you please.

You could have just said this at the start?

 

[Titanium100]

So what you're saying is that Islam accepts sex slavery.

You get to kill the husband and keep the woman.

And have sex with her as you please.

You could have just said this at the start?

I said it from the first post. Btw She is not a Sex slave? A concubine? You know what that means? She is not a Sex slave? There is a Wife and concubine both are your women. The Wife has just higher rank but still the same. I repeat Concubine

 

[fitpOsitive]

Actually it is about sex with captives. Do you think captive women go "Yes! lets have sex! " with the men who have just slaughtered their husbands, fathers and sons?

Be honest.

"ma malakat aymanukum "


You mean their fathers, sons and husbands were killed and they were divided as war booty (property) among the sahaba?

Yes a controlled process because it was all legalised.

The holocaust was also a controlled process.

It does not mean it is ethical.

"War booty" is basically ransacking.

Again, their husbands, brothers and fathers were all killed during battle, not because Muslim wanted their women.

 

[TNT]

Thank you for admitting that slavery was allowed and encouraged.

Even the Prophet Muhammad owned and bought slaves.

I came and behold, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was staying on a Mashroba (attic room) and a black slave of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was at the top if its stairs. I said to him, "(Tell the Prophet) that here is `Umar bin Al- Khattab (asking for permission to enter)." Then he admitted me.

Sahih al-Bukhari 7263 - Accepting Information Given by a Truthful Person - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Narrated `Umar: I came and behold, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was staying on a Mashroba (attic room) and a black slave of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was at the top if its stairs. I said to him, "(Tell the Prophet) that here is `Umar bin Al- Khattab (asking for permission to enter)." Then he admitted m

sunnah.com

Men were killed and the women were divided as property.

"The major reason Islam was so successful was due to chivalry and mercy"

False claim.


So Islam is like all other religions and is a religion for all time?



So the men are killed and the women are taken as captives and they are made to have sex with their captors.

And that's great wisdom to you?

OK.

Again ur a stupid moron with zero comprehension skills, something common among idol worshippers.
I never denied Islam allowing slavery but it was not encouraged, did u not even understand a single bit of what i and the others say?
Islam allows society to evolve for the better and also strives to keep balance. Slavery and slave trade was a big part of economy in those times. Slaves were treated like animals, Islam gave them rights 1400 years ago that even the west failed to give them 100 years ago. There are examples of people being punished for treating their slaves badly. Islam however shows a path of evolution, for example alcohol was initially allowed in limited amount and then later banned. Slavery was allowed with rights given to them, people were encouraged to free them, the concept of equality was introduced by Islam. This paved the way for society to shun slavery. Free men were not allowed to be made slaves, the slaves and masters were encouraged to eat together. Its only in Islam that slaves have risen to become sultans and rulers, can u give me an example from ur idol worshippers??? Sex with slaves is not allowed, thats BS spread by the likes of u ppl. Concubines were allowed and they are basically wives, their offspring legitimate children with right to share in property of father, i dont see anything wrong in it.
Now i dont like to compare but do u even see urselves? U ppl are the worst, killing people, skinning them, burning them, all that under the guise of peaceful budhist lolz.

 

[Samlee]

First explain me why Persia became Muslim majority within 25 years?

It was not that they were merciful. It was our resilience which kept us Survived. We have survived against Hun, kushans, Greeks , Europeans etc.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Yes you're right. Slavery is legal in Islam. Islam did not abolish slavery - it legalised it and it was practiced by Prophet Muhammad himself (as recorded in the hadiths). Sex with captives is also allowed as recorded in the hadiths. This is what happened to the Yazidis; the men were slaughtered and the women were taken as property and divided among the fighters.

Alcohol and pork is prohibited in Islam. But not slavery.

Objectively I don't understand how people contest this.

I'd like to think that it is not that strange for people to study different religions. I like learning about world religions.

Yet the example to reference of yazidis is not correct!
Yazidis survived a millenia among Muslims...
Captives must be enemy combatants!
Second your example is no "State", less a group calling itself one.
They will not be imprisoned for life, in fact assimilated into Islamic society.
What you have in mind is instead slave markets of Europe and North/South America!
If this is indeed your focus then there is much, mich out there to learn.