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New Delhi sees Hanoi as a counterweight to Beijing, in the same way as Beijing sees Islamabad.

India is the latest country to get drawn into the South China Sea dispute. Earlier this month, Beijing told New Delhi that its permission was needed for India's state-owned oil and gas firm to explore for energy in two Vietnamese blocks in those waters. This follows reports of a Chinese vessel confronting an Indian Navy frigate off Vietnam in late July.

Vietnam quickly cited the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea to claim its sovereign rights over the two blocks in question. Hanoi has been sparring with Beijing over the South China Sea in the past year, so such a response was expected.

What's new is New Delhi not taking Chinese aggression in that region sitting down. It immediately decided to support Hanoi's claims. Last week, Indian Foreign Minister S.M. Krishna visited Vietnam and made it clear that its state-owned firm would continue to explore in the South China Sea. The display of backbone helped India strengthen its relationship with Vietnam. If China wants to expand its presence in South Asia and the Indian Ocean region, New Delhi's thinking goes, India can do the same thing in East Asia.

The linchpin of this eastward move would be Vietnam. Hanoi fought a brief war with Beijing in 1979 and has grown wary of the Middle Kingdom's increasing economic and military weight. That's why in some quarters of New Delhi, Vietnam is already seen as a counterweight in the same way Pakistan has been for China.

That's not to say good India-Vietnam relations wouldn't exist otherwise. Vietnamese have traditionally held Indians in high regard because of the latter's support for Vietnamese independence from France and their opposition to U.S. involvement in the country. And New Delhi formulated a "Look East" policy as early as 1991, to capitalize on East Asia's economic growth. But the rise of China has given this relationship a powerful strategic—not to mention urgent—dimension.

Both sides realize that a stronger bilateral relationship starts with economic ties. The two countries signed an agreement in 2003 in which they envisioned creating an "Arc of Advantage and Prosperity" in Southeast Asia. So they've been boosting trade, especially after New Delhi signed a free-trade agreement with the Association of South-East Asian Nations in 2009. The volume of bilateral trade now exceeds $2 billion.

Both sides could still do more to enhance economic cooperation. Bilateral trade is much below the potential, given that India and Vietnam are major emerging economies. The two countries also need to think creatively about expanding investment opportunities, especially in the energy, steel, and pharmaceutical sectors. This can be done by establishing stronger institutional mechanisms that review the economic relationship on a regular basis and take steps to enhance it.

New Delhi's abiding interest in Vietnam, though, is in the defense realm. It wants to build relations with states like Vietnam that can act as pressure points against China. With this in mind, it has been helping Hanoi beef up its naval and air capabilities.

Given that Vietnam and India use similar Russian and erstwhile Soviet defense platforms, New Delhi could easily offer defense technologies to Hanoi. Talks are ongoing for India to sell the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile, an Indo-Russian joint venture. Such arms could allow Vietnam to project regional power and improve deterrence against China.

The two nations also have stakes in ensuring sea-lane security, as well as shared concerns about Chinese access to the Indian Ocean and the South China Sea. Hence, India is helping Vietnam to build capacity for repair and maintenance of its defense platforms. At the same time, the armed forces of the two states have started cooperation in areas like IT and English-language training of Vietnamese Army personnel. The two are also sharing their experiences in mountainous and jungle warfare.

Naval cooperation, however, remains the focus. Here, Vietnam has given India the right to use its port of Nha Trang in the south; the Indian Navy has already made a port call. It is not entirely clear what the final arrangement would look like, but the symbolism of this is not lost on China.

The two countries potentially share a common friend—the U.S. New Delhi has steadily built relations with Washington in the past decade, while Vietnam has been courting America as the South China Sea becomes a flashpoint. As these three countries ponder how to manage China's rise, they will be drawn closer together.

By lashing out against India for its dealings with Vietnam, China has shown it will try to deter strategic competitors from collaborating against it. But if both India and Vietnam stand firm, they could force Beijing to moderate its expansionist claims on the South China Sea and adopt a more conciliatory stance on other regional matters.
 
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Its time to help Vietnam to militarily and economically develop as fast as they can. Countries like Vietnam are vital allies in South East Asian region. With their help , a lot of Indian Interests can be secured. China is just one factor. Our relationship should extend over as many different fields as possible.
 
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We are already helping them with their Kilo subs the next step should be to sell them Brahmos
 
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Its time to help Vietnam to militarily and economically develop as fast as they can. Countries like Vietnam are vital allies in South East Asian region. With their help , a lot of Indian Interests can be secured. China is just one factor. Our relationship should extend over as many different fields as possible.

Yeah,India can help Vietnam military in many ways if it wants.Like Vietnamese Army uses a lot of T 72s.We can upgrade them to Karna standards with a redesigned Arjun MkI turret with a 120 mm L52 gun,longrod unitary FSAPDS rounds,new ballistic computers,sights,bms,era and kanchan armor.They will easily outperform those PLA Type 96.We can sell them gunships,heavy and medium machineguns,technology to manufacture 5.56 and 7.62 NATO rnunds,Bofors L70 AA guns,3d AESA radars,SARs,UAVs,Nag missiles,Pinaka mbrls,SAMs,106mm and 84mm RCL bunker busters and many more.They are brave people,they deserve state of the art weapons and India is just the one who can provide in affordable prize without any string attached.

REGARDS. . . . . . . . . .
 
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New Delhi sees Hanoi as a counterweight to Beijing, in the same way as Beijing sees Islamabad.

It's not the first time that Vietnam is used as counterweight to China: French, U.S, U.S.S.R, all didnd't get a tangible result? I'm wondering what India gonna do better, sure selling Brahmos??? if you Indians think that Vietnam can be a bargain chip for Kashire issue than, you can always try.

Don't try to jump of joy so fast...China gorvernment didn't react explicitly but certainly India will get proportional respond soon or later...I will keep this fun later.
 
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It's not the first time that Vietnam is used as counterweight to China: French, U.S, U.S.S.R, all didnd't get a tangible result? I'm wondering what India gonna do better, sure selling Brahmos??? if you Indians think that Vietnam can be a bargain chip for Kashire issue than, you can always try.

Don't try to jump of joy so fast...China gorvernment didn't react explicitly but certainly India will get proportional respond soon or later...I will keep this fun later.


We are not jumping with joy. It is you who is jumping in every India, Vietnam related thread ! Explains your fragile ego and insecurity. Come what may India shall not back down from Vietnam project. You can keep giving us your hollow threats ! :wave:
 
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We are not jumping with joy. It is you who is jumping in every India, Vietnam related thread ! Explains your fragile ego and insecurity. Come what may India shall not back down from Vietnam project. You can keep giving us your hollow threats ! :wave:

India, Vietnam related thread??? Haha..sure dude..nothing relate to China. Asking anyone in this Forum if this thread relate to China or not?

Ego and Insecurity?? only Insecure people has always bring up China into discussion..not the one who has different view point, opinion or argument...how many thread relate to India-Vietnam that you guys have brought up? which one is not China related?

Who care if India back down or not, as I said on my previous post...China will bring a proportional responds...you can consider that as hollow threat... I'm curious to know also what will be the China's answer.
 
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India, Vietnam related thread??? Haha..sure dude..nothing relate to China. Asking anyone in this Forum if this thread relate to China or not?

Ego and Insecurity?? only Insecure people has always bring up China into discussion..not the one who has different view point, opinion or argument...how many thread relate to India-Vietnam that you guys have brought up? which one is not China related?

Who care if India back down or not, as I said on my previous post...China will bring a proportional responds...you can consider that as hollow threat... I'm curious to know also what will be the China's answer.

If you are not insecure about India , Vietnam alliance, why would even post here ? As for China's response; dont you know, they plan to "expand their mining operation in Indian ocean". It is different matter that the proposed site is closer to Africa !!!
 
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If you are not insecure about India , Vietnam alliance, why would even post here ? As for China's response; dont you know, they plan to "expand their mining operation in Indian ocean". It is different matter that the proposed site is closer to Africa !!!

What.. I can't have my opinion?? If people post in India section of this forum is labeled as insecure about India-alliance than why not post everything you want to say in secret channel?..you will feel more secure this way :lol:
 
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What.. I can't have my opinion?? If people post in India section of this forum is labeled as insecure about India-alliance than why not post everything you want to say in secret channel?..you will feel more secure this way :lol:

You are entitled to your opinion. But in most of posts on these threads you either mock India , Vietnam alliance or give veiled threats ! So much for being secure !
 
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You are entitled to your opinion. But in most of posts on these threads you either mock India , Vietnam alliance or give veiled threats ! So much for being secure !

Nobody mock India-Vietnam alliance..only you guys bragging about how tough India has to be to be face with China's kashmire issue or use it as bargianchip against China-Pakistan alliance or to draw China out of Indian ocean, In fact I don't give a rat of you India-Vietnam alliance, we got used with Soviet-Vietnam alliance, U.S-Japan-Korea alliance...alliance this alliance that...India-Vietnam alliance won't make any different...just when you guys start to bring China into discussion that give me some itchings...yes indeed so much for being insecure.
 
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why don't we do the same for vietnam that China did for pakistan? lets give vietnam missile technology and nuclear weapons secrets to help them build there own nukes and missiles just like the Chinese did for Pakistan - end sarcasm

Vietnam is a friend a friend in need is a friend indeed! we should make that port in Vietnam and in the future arm them in the teeth if need be.

our Babu's need to get some strategic appetite and stop taking crap from China
 
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why don't we do the same for vietnam that China did for pakistan? lets give vietnam missile technology and nuclear weapons secrets to help them build there own nukes and missiles just like the Chinese did for Pakistan - end sarcasm

Vietnam is a friend a friend in need is a friend indeed! we should make that port in Vietnam and in the future arm them in the teeth if need be.

our Babu's need to get some strategic appetite and stop taking crap from China

Let help us to convince Thailand to join the defensive line with VietNam-India, then VN -India will get stronger bcz India will have friendly sea border with ASEAN countries :cheers:
 
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