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The India-U.S. nuclear stalemate
Thursday, May 31, 2007

M.R. Srinivasan

The U.S. administration has to find a way to accommodate fully agreements reached with India in July 2005 and March 2006. If the only way to do so is to amend the Hyde Act, then the U.S. should plan to do so rather than press India for more compromises.

ACCORDING TO reports emanating from Washington, Under Secretary of State Nicholas Burns told a meeting of the Heritage Foundation on "U.S.-India Relations: the Road Ahead," in the last week of May 2007, that "I think an adjustment needs to be made, perhaps psychologically, from a time when India was completely isolated in developing its own nuclear potential to a time now with what the Hyde Act and Nuclear Suppliers Group will provide for India." He went on to say: "People on both sides of the equation in India and in the Department of Atomic Energy as well as my own government and other governments, need to adjust to this new world — that means compromise, it means that may be what you did in isolation will not be the same as what you would do in a more integrated world, where India is working with the rest of the international community for civilian nuclear power."

Finally he added, "May be, some of the problems we have had working out the final small details in this agreement, you are seeing the intersection of a prior world of isolation with this future world of integration, and I would hope there would be an open mind on the part of everyone in the Indian Government as well as our own government, to see that we make this transition together."

For the sake of record, it must be noted that India was cooperating on peaceful uses of atomic energy, from the start of the programme in the mid-1950s, with France, the United Kingdom, Canada, the United States, the Soviet Union, Germany, and others. This cooperation continued for two or three decades. After the Pokhran-I test of 1974, it was the U.S. that devised a whole network of policies that led to India's total isolation in the nuclear energy field from about 1980 onwards. It must be noted that in 1968 itself, India rejected the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty sponsored by the U.S., the U.K., and the Soviet Union as highly discriminatory and refused to join it. The isolation that Under Secretary Burns talks about was not something India opted for on its own volition; it was imposed largely through the instrumentality of U.S. policies. The Indian nuclear establishment has no vested interest in continuing to live in the world of isolation and has cooperated with other countries wherever it can, and especially through the International Atomic Energy Agency. It is as keen as our American friends are to work with the international community to develop safe and economic nuclear energy for use globally in an era where there is a great need for non-carbon sources of energy.

Mr. Burns has described the persisting differences between India and the U.S. on the 123 Agreement as "final small details," and certainly he has a sardonic sense of sardonic humour! The first issue of contention is the question of India conducting a test in future. While India has a voluntary moratorium on tests from 1998, this is obviously contingent on existing conditions continuing. If the U.S. itself were to test in the context of developing a reliable replacement warhead or China, Pakistan or another country were to test, then clearly India cannot be expected to continue its moratorium. The present U.S. legislation (the Hyde Act) calls for immediate suspension of future cooperation and return to the U.S. of the reactor installations and spent fuel (however impractical) and unused new fuel. There are provisions for a Presidential waiver, Congressional intervention, Presidential veto and a further two-thirds vote in the U.S. Congress (House of Representatives and Senate) to permit cooperation. Clearly India cannot put its trust in the goodwill of a future U.S. President and Congress to come to its rescue.

There was a way out for the U.S. and that was to have provided for a permanent waiver, which applies in case of a nuclear weapon state. In other words, the U.S. would have to treat India as a de facto nuclear weapon state, in this matter. The Indian negotiators have all along told their U.S. counterparts that the voluntary moratorium cannot be converted into a binding legal obligation through the 123 Agreement.

The second issue relates to India's right to reprocess spent fuel. The international nuclear community and our U.S. friends are well aware of the three-stage nuclear energy programme enunciated by Homi Bhabha as early as 1955, when he presided over the first U.N. Conference on Peaceful Uses of Atomic Energy in Geneva. All successive leaders of the Indian programme have continued to support this strategy, which has, as its ultimate objective, the goal of exploiting the energy potential of the vast thorium reserves in India. This objective will require India to build a large number of fast-breeder reactors in the second stage and then build reactors fuelled with U-233 and thorium. Reprocessing of spent fuel is an essential step in this chain of activities. India has been reprocessing spent fuel for over four decades, although initially on a small scale.

If we accept the present U.S. position, India will be able to build only light water reactors fuelled with enriched uranium (imported) and then store the spent fuel indefinitely. In the process, the fuel value of the spent fuel will remain dormant; apart from this, there will be costs and risks involved in such long term storage of highly radioactive material. In addition, the total energy potential of global uranium reserves will be very limited if it were to be used in this `once-through' mode without recycling. The U.S. has agreed to Euratom and Japan reprocessing spent fuel of U.S. origin and, hence, India cannot understand why it is being denied this right.

In March 2006, an important question that came up was the U.S. insistence that safeguards would apply in perpetuity on reactor installations or fuel imported by India from members of the Nuclear Suppliers Group. India insisted that it could accept the condition of `safeguards in-perpetuity' only if there was an assurance of fuel supply for the life of the reactors. The U.S. agreed that India could build up a stockpile of fuel to tide over supply uncertainties. The U.S. also agreed to work with friendly countries such as France and Russia if, under some future contingencies, normal supply arrangements were disrupted. This agreement will get totally nullified if the U.S. insists on the provisions of the Hyde Act, which provide for suspension of cooperation following a test and recall of fuel supplied earlier. More specifically, it will be unrealistic to expect investors to finance nuclear power stations if there is no committed supply of fuel.

There is a body of opinion in India that feels a new era in India-U.S. relations has begun and that the nuclear deal should be seen in the context of a larger strategic partnership that could benefit both countries. They also take the view that bilateral relations in the past were conditioned by the Cold War, and that the time has now come when we can accept in good faith the U.S. commitment to work with India on a wide range of matters, to mutual benefit. They emphasise the fact that the U.S. and India share traditions of democracy, managing multi-religious, and multi-ethnic societies, respect for human rights, and the rule of law. Notwithstanding these commonalities, relations between sovereign countries cannot be based on sentiments; they have to be based on agreements and treaties that bind the future leadership of the countries. We have to keep in mind past experiences and not merely be guided by new hopes.

When the Hyde Act was passed by the U.S. Congress, this writer wrote two articles in The Hindu — on December 14, 2006, under the title "India may lose control of its nuclear future" and again on December 27, 2006, under the title "Remember lessons from Tarapur." On December 15, 2006, a group of former nuclear scientists, including three former AEC chairmen (the author being one of them) met the present chairman Dr. Anil Kakodkar and conveyed to him that the Hyde Act contained many objectionable clauses and did not accommodate the assurances given by the Prime Minister to Parliament on August 17, 2006.

Officials of the Government of India have been stating that the 123 Agreement would be fully in compliance with the agreements of July 2005 and March 2006 between Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and President Bush. As the tortuous negotiations of the 123 Agreement show, it is clear the U.S. has no intention of going beyond the bounds of the Hyde Act, a possibility the scientists had clearly foreseen. Under Secretary Burns is suggesting that India make compromises to enable conclusion of the Agreement.

The fact is India has already made all the compromises it could make upfront and cannot make any more at this stage. The U.S. administration has to find a way to accommodate fully agreements reached with India in July 2005 and March 2006. If the only way to do so is to amend the Hyde Act, then the U.S. should plan to do so rather than ask India to make any more compromises.

(The writer is a former Chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission and presently member of the AEC.)

http://www.thehindu.com/2007/05/31/stories/2007053102211000.htm
 
Saturday, June 02, 2007

Indo-US nuclear deal hits roadblock

By Khalid Hasan

WASHINGTON: The Indo-US civilian nuclear cooperation deal is in serious trouble with India refusing to make a unilateral declaration that it will not test nuclear weapons an integral part of the agreement.

India feels that any such commitment will impinge on its sovereignty. Reports suggest that the current visit of Nicholas Burns, under secretary of state, has failed to persuade India to change its position. Talks between the two sides on Thursday remained inconclusive.

A former chairman of India’s Atomic Energy Commission, MR Srinivasan, wrote in The Hindu on Thursday that the unilateral commitment on the part of India not to test nuclear weapons is “obviously contingent on existing conditions continuing”. He pointed out that, “if China, Pakistan or another country were to test, then clearly India cannot be expected to continue its moratorium”.

Washington was keen to wrap things up before President Bush and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh meet on the sidelines of the G-8 summit in Germany next week.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\06\02\story_2-6-2007_pg7_44
 
Neo after following some 90 pages or so about nuke deal in BR, the complex issue really cannot be summed up for so short, but let me try my best,

1> US wants to cap Funds flowing on Indias FBR, as it will threaten GNEP which consists of 4 FBR reactors as India can gain influence in FBR market.

2> India being self-reliant on FBR is a no-no for US, because of the same reason US companies losing billions in the market as GNEP is unlikely to fructify before FBR.

3> India is adamant on that it wont put FBR on safeguard as it is not yet complete.

4> US says it wont allow reprocessing of fuel which press have effectively dubbed as "India wants technology to reprocess which isnt correct".

5> India have told US, we will use reprocessing of fuel only on civilian grade FBR reactors under inspection but other FBR would be out of inspection. US thinks by stopping fuel from going in FBR they can slow down the FBR research thus giving their company the time to retain required competitiveness through GNEP if India comes in commercial market.

6> The testing clause is a backdoor CTBT, India wants stockpile of fuel.

7> There are lot of other things, problem with India it needs the deal, without strings, reprocessing is must and also it needs the deal to come in a soft power status so that it can come in commercial market in a better way.

anyways...
 
Welcome back Joey, its been a while. :wave:

These are some serious issues and to be honest I'm affraid the deal is not going to see the daylight anytime soon.

Thats too bad, I want the deal to go thru to pave way for us to strike simmilar deal with China.
 
Thanks for the welcome mate :D

Indeed there are some serious issues, If I see our government compromising, I'll fil another PIL in Supreme court from my university...

Reprocessing of spent fuel - India have said it will reprocess US fuel in FBR's which will be under civilian, so the issue of india stockpiling uranium gets ruled out.

Nuclear testing clause - wasnt under J18 statement.

and some other details...
 
The nuclear testing clause is Imho the bottle neck since India will have to conduct new series of nuclear tests in order to collect data for its new nuclear designs.
China is done testing for a long time, she's already been testing for almost four decades and Pakistan is out of question. We'll only use the opportunity to test if India goes first.
 
no Neo the nuclear testing is not the bottleneck, but bottleneck is the reprocessing rights issue.

It is common that we cannot amed US law, and if we test further nukes something surely will happen, but it doesnt means they have right to take things out, thus a solution can be easily found when the clause will be there as well as the point of stockpiling of strategic reserve.

Normally you can have around 4x to 5x times the boosted fission device you tested or TN's.
around 45/50 Kn tranlates to around 200 of TN which was attested by the interview of Avinash chander on Agni 3 dev.

We dont need megaton nukes...and those these days are not much effective.
 
Why is India keen on reprocessing spent fuel in her FBR's instead of returning it to the US for reprocessing? As part of the contract you won't be compromising anything.
Even Japan returns spent fuel to Australia and Canada.
 
no NEO remember We has opted for Solid-fuel breeder reactor and not liquid-fuel flouride core reactors.
The reactor cycle in solid core breeders needs a breeder initially to perform.

We have told them that reprocessing of US fuel will be used in FBR that will be udner civilian tag. If we dont reprocess fuel, what will happen US will take use of diplomacy and our FBR programme will slow out, they will push for selling more LWR's and so in one hand,

1> Your getting your energy
2> Not enough re-processed fuel to start FBR in good scale.

Thus there is a risk of it getting sidelined by indian politics, and later US will tell you to join GNEP, so you see it is like a trap.

What we want is clean energy from them, the re-processed fuel of US origin will be used only in those FBR's which will be under safeguard. Thus we can grow our FBR programme and gain energy independence, as well we can get commercial viability much ebfore GNEP fructifies.
 
Do you realise you're running out of fuel? If the deal is stalled there will be no fuel shopping in Australia, Canada or Russia.
Thoruim will take atleast another two decades to be utilised, FBR programme will one way or other face delays unless projected on low scale.
 
no Neo not 2 decades, we have crossed that hurdle, Third stage is under construction and will be completed by 2010, second stage went criticality some years ago.

And on running out of Uranium issue, hehe not exactly, We have lot of Uranium reserves, mining needs to be done, DAE charman has mentioned if this deal fails we will simply start 4 new uranium mines.
 
Proven uranium reserves are adequate for approximately 25 years, thorium based FBR should be feasible by then and you're sitting on the largest thorium field in the world. :coffee:

Nothing to worry I guess. ;)
 
there is worry, politics and the damn politics, know how many times it has eben tried to stop our defence/space programmes?

There is a trade deficit with US, and that need to be catared, Nuke deal's one lobbying groups point is since India is market to high tech US companies, They should sell products there as well, our point is your welcome but with our rules.

Problem with some mines is they are sometimes near where people lives, you know all sort of village controversies...
 
Neo why is the seeds of indian ploriferation thread closed?

The report is lame at its best ofcourse it has many truths, surely We invited brazilian peoples to visit our reactors, Iranians and that means we gave then nuke tech?

And whaat? it claims kalpakkam FBR is french based? oh please...Our research FBR is French based and we required French help to setup necessary infrastructure for FBR but there are significant diffrences of the kalpakkam breeder. do you know a simple change in breeder potential will result in lot of changes? We had ties with french in research related to FBR but that stopped much much ago.

Then it claims we had made all reactors of foreign assistance, again oh please.. hes forgetting about swim bath reactor, the new reactors coming up, the de-titration plant to extract tritium from LPCE, the CHTR and IHTR.

We surely mastered the CANDUS and Russian VVER's, and that is for our own programme, not for outside ploriferation, I daresay I can bring you a credible proof, check the book if you want to, when it comes to giving away nuke tech to other countries India has some of the best records compared to others.

If the report says how we directed CANDUS on weapons research et al then I can agree with, and we did it on our own, we used US heavy water and now we export heavy water to US.

There is large scale difference between such things that wont meet normal eye, and if you go by that report I can claim China havent done anything on nuclear reactors, US havent done the Candus etc etc.

There is more that meets the eye.
 
Let me check with webby and I'll open the thread for your comments.
 
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