The ground under Hasina's feet is shifting: Hindustan Times

[Rushd Alam]

Why talk old time traditions when the population was very low and compare them to the reality of the 21st century when the population is too high?

Birth control is a different issue but agree in last 100 years things have changed fast, I am pointing out problem it has created.

If I was not a muslim and would take pre maritial fornication, visiting red light, watching fun stuff is just part of life, then I would be like whats the hurry in getting married?

But you me both know whats going on.

 

[bluesky]

People are free to keep their eyes closed until the next election. So, enjoy your time. American and UN sanctions will be in effect until the election is over. BD is now begging the UN to recruit Police/ BGB/ Ansars if not RAB.

@Bilal9, please read the news below and know about the UN thinking.

The Daily Jugantor Bangladesh Newspaper

The Daily Jugantor (দৈনিক যুগান্তর) is one of the most popular Bangla newspaper in Bangladesh. Read all the latest breaking news and headlines online.

mybangla24.com

 

[bluesky]

Birth control is a different issue but agree in last 100 years things have changed fast, I am pointing out problem it has created.

If I was not a muslim and would take pre maritial fornication, visiting red light, watching fun stuff is just part of life, then I would be like whats the hurry in getting married?

But you me both know whats going on.

There should not be any discussions of religion when it is the issue of birth control. Poverty does not distinguish any particular religionist people when that group of people increases their number as cockroaches do.

No wonder, Muslims remain the most underdeveloped group of people on this Earth, and are never to be developed with their present mindset.

 

[my2cents]

All answers were given before! Use search engine if you are interested!

This is what Wikipedia say about
Mujibur Rehman

Assassination of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman
Tomb of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman
Location	Dhaka, Bangladesh
Date	15 August 1975 4.30am–6:10 am.
Target	Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and his family
Attack type	Military coup
Deaths	20 (including Sheikh Mujib, his wife, and 3 sons)[1][2]
Injured	2
Perpetrators	Syed Faruque Rahman, Khandaker Abdur Rashid, Khondaker Mostaq Ahmad, Mohiuddin Ahmed, A. K. M. Mohiuddin Ahmed, Shariful Haque Dalim and Abdul Majed (All are sentenced to death.)

 

[BananaRepublicUK]

Please tell us, how Hasina can slap Yunus. Coming election if held fairly, we will see who really slaps whom.

It will be as fair as US elections.

Average person doesn’t care for the likes of Younus.

Agreed, my point is this does create issues like premaritial sex, drug addiction, **** addiction. Society is changing very fast and where I am now currently, people either do not get married at all or at very late like 40s.

We need to rethink if muslim Society is moving that way, as I mentioned, what 20-30 unmarried are up to nowadays, marriage is just another contract.

I married under 30 after kindof financial freedom in Sydney but do not agree if I would have married early would have made my life worse. Parents nowa days are ok with their children having boy/ girl friends. Dont expect me to belive they are only holding hands.

I believe we need to rethink where we are heading and see what our religion says, obviously god is greatest.

You are so backward - it’s beyond belief.

I don’t know where to start!

If you need to be married in order to be free of illicit sex and drugs - you are a very twisted human being!!

Most of us kept ourselves occupied with books and part time work and sports!!!!

 

[VikingRaider]

This is what Wikipedia say about
Mujibur Rehman

Assassination of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman
Tomb of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman
Location	Dhaka, Bangladesh
Date	15 August 1975 4.30am–6:10 am.
Target	Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and his family
Attack type	Military coup
Deaths	20 (including Sheikh Mujib, his wife, and 3 sons)[1][2]
Injured	2
Perpetrators	Syed Faruque Rahman, Khandaker Abdur Rashid, Khondaker Mostaq Ahmad, Mohiuddin Ahmed, A. K. M. Mohiuddin Ahmed, Shariful Haque Dalim and Abdul Majed (All are sentenced to death.)

Yes but source must be checked! Go and check the source of Wikipedia!

Wiki isn't reliable source!

 

[bluesky]

Birth control is a different issue but agree in last 100 years things have changed fast, I am pointing out problem it has created.

If I was not a muslim and would take pre maritial fornication, visiting red light, watching fun stuff is just part of life, then I would be like whats the hurry in getting married?

But you me both know whats going on.

Is it necessary to link prostitution vising with late marriage or birth control? Go and check, you will find very few adult bachelors ever visit prostitutes. Most are married men. It is their character.

Do you think prostitution can be stopped if teen-aged boys and under-6 girls are married? Prostitution is the oldest profession that also existed when underage marriages were the norm throughout the world. The two issues are different.

The world population is nearing 8 billion. It was only 4 billion five decades ago. The world is now being ruined by environmental pollution thanks to a very large number of Homo Sapiens.

The higher the population the earlier the demise of mankind itself.

 

[Rushd Alam]

Is it necessary to link prostitution vising with late marriage or birth control? Go and check, you will find very few adult bachelors ever visit prostitutes. Most are married men. It is their character.

Do you think prostitution can be stopped if teen-aged boys and under-6 girls are married? Prostitution is the oldest profession that also existed when underage marriages were the norm throughout the world. The two issues are different.

The world population is nearing 8 billion. It was only 4 billion five decades ago. The world is now being ruined by environmental pollution thanks to a very large number of Homo Sapiens.

The higher the population the earlier the demise of mankind itself.

I am putting islamic point of view.

Let me say one thing, in the name of progress we want to follow west, very good. Lets take the good from them.

We the smart people to have success like western world leave out honesty, hardwork, no compromise on corruption, productivity, anti bribery.

And take all the things that the west has problem with like family value, social value, divorce without trying to work on it, premarital physical relations.

Then think we made progress as we are more like west, unfortunately we are in a far worse position then before.

The west didnt become successful because they were advanced on their social values but its the development they enjoyed because of their positive traits that had those side effects.

What do we do next, make same sx marriage legal, allow people to have gender fluidity? Will this bring us economic progress?

You may disagree with me but that is what I see has happening.

 

[bluesky]

I am putting islamic point of view.

Why should religion be brought into a discussion on birth control? It relates to the survival of mankind. Islam or any other religion has nothing to do with it.

Note also that Muslims with high birth rates are the poorest of all countries. These countries remain the most underdeveloped and seek entry into pig-eating Christian countries for survival.

Please save your energy on other things.

 

[Rushd Alam]

Why should religion be brought into a discussion on birth control? It relates to the survival of mankind. Islam or any other religion has nothing to do with it.

Note also that Muslims with high birth rates are the poorest of all countries. These countries remain the most underdeveloped and seek entry into pig-eating Christian countries for survival.

Please save your energy on other things.

I think you got me wrong, you brought up population and having children, I did not hence said its a different issue. I was only on point of early marriage and islam views.

Population is surely a problem for countries like Bangladesh pakistan and some muslim african countries, I am not disputing that.

On yopur point of muslim migration there are multiple issues at play here. Post colonial powers still possess direct or indirect influence on world resources. Either by occupations or by military influence. They are still in control of major world economic tools and resources.

To give example France still exploits many north african countries and same goes for other major world powers today, it is said france will overnight become poor if it looses its influence on africa. Things are shifting to a multipolar world where China has already started a global power game, soon others may come into play.

All I see is the diminishing advantage the west had due to their colonial influence in science and technological advances and being overtaken by asia today or possibly africa tomorrow. West have their golden age and we are just in a time where we see the end is not too far. As per history Civilizations rise and fall. When islam had its golden age the west was in its dark ages, maybe tomorrow asia will have its golden age maybe africa will see their golden age after.

It has barely been 50 years when imperialism/ Colonialism came too and end, we see the reducing influence the colonists had over the world affairs already, look at UK today. Even fertility is going against them in the new worlds they created, and soon will be outnumbered by asians and the muslims. I am not advocating taking more children here, please do not get me wrong. I am just trying to potray a picture 40-50 years down the road how the world may look like.

The world power polls are shifting, what the future holds can only be speculated.

 

[bluesky]

I think you got me wrong, you brought up population and having children, I did not hence said its a different issue. I was only on point of early marriage and islam views.

There were always early marriages before Islam was introduced in Arabia. Early marriages are responsible for the higher population growth among Muslims of today

But, Arabia being a desert country its land cannot support more than 5 million people without oil money.

SA population was 5 million 1400 years ago, and without oil money, it will remain at that. Today, SA is supporting probably 25 million people, native and otherwise, because it imports most of its foods with oil money.

So, Muslims should follow a policy of late marriage, and fewer children - one or two. We are already very poor and regularly ask for alms from Christian, Buddhist, Atheist, and Hindu countries.

Shall we not feel shame at that?

 

[Rushd Alam]

There were always early marriages before Islam was introduced in Arabia. Early marriages are responsible for the higher population growth among Muslims of today

But, Arabia being a desert country its land cannot support more than 5 million people without oil money.

SA population was 5 million 1400 years ago, and without oil money, it will remain at that. Today, SA is supporting probably 25 million people, native and otherwise, because it imports most of its foods with oil money.

So, Muslims should follow a policy of late marriage, and fewer children - one or two. We are already very poor and regularly ask for alms from Christian, Buddhist, Atheist, and Hindu countries.

Shall we not feel shame at that?

In this day and age population control can be done by contraception or surgery, why delay marriage.

You maybe in support of celibacy till 35, or even later, do not know how that canbe done by a healthy human being who has needs. Only way is to have fun**** you know what I mean!!

Let me ask you this, 18 year female and 21 year old male wants to get married as they have their needs. What is your suggestion to them, would you say, because you are young therefore you will have more children, so wait another 10 years.

Here in Australia the government promotes taking more children as their growth of population is below replacement level. Japan is suffering for their low fertility rate.

I am in favour of keeping BD at replacement level which we are currently at.

In conclusion I want to say getting married at old age is a though process that our parents kept. That gave rise to issues of premarital sex, porno addiction, resorting to services of prostitution.

If you deny biological needs of normal human being then unfortunately you are an outlier who has managed to stay out of those recreational activities *** and saved yourself till marriage. You are an exception and cant be as an example. 95-99% of people unfortunately cant stay virgin till 35 as you suggested.

SA population was 5 million 1400 years ago, and without oil money, it will remain at that. Today, SA is supporting probably 25 million people, native and otherwise, because it imports most of its foods with oil money.

You are bringing all points to population, lets say if all muslim families are undergoing surgery after 2 children. Then what other points do you have against marriage earlier rather than later.

 

[Bengal71]

This is what Wikipedia say about
Mujibur Rehman

Assassination of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman
Tomb of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman
Location	Dhaka, Bangladesh
Date	15 August 1975 4.30am–6:10 am.
Target	Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and his family
Attack type	Military coup
Deaths	20 (including Sheikh Mujib, his wife, and 3 sons)[1][2]
Injured	2
Perpetrators	Syed Faruque Rahman, Khandaker Abdur Rashid, Khondaker Mostaq Ahmad, Mohiuddin Ahmed, A. K. M. Mohiuddin Ahmed, Shariful Haque Dalim and Abdul Majed (All are sentenced to death.)

Don't waste time arguing about this. Many conspiracy theory believers are there, pointless debate. Mujib was likely killed by the CIA, it was the height of cold war and at some point it appeared that Mujib may have been leaning towards the Soviet block. Rest is waste of time.

Also, if you want to you can read the books of those murderers such as Major Dalim. But take eveything with a truck load of salt. Obviously a murderer has his interest of showing himself as someone who did good.

It will be as fair as US elections.

Average person doesn’t care for the likes of Younus.



You are so backward - it’s beyond belief.

I don’t know where to start!

If you need to be married in order to be free of illicit sex and drugs - you are a very twisted human being!!

Most of us kept ourselves occupied with books and part time work and sports!!!!

Exactly. This is a nonsense peddled by the Islamists that to stay away from fornication you must get married early. I have married at the age of 29 but never fornicated. Read books, spent time on social media, worked hard to pay off my debt, spent time with friends watching movies and obsessing about fast cars.

The arguments presented by Rushd Alam are regular Islamist arguments, I was one of them and gone through this phase.