The Greatest Deception

[Nasr]

Wow! Eight pages of complete and utter nonsense!

The greatest deception is not whether the earth is round, discus shaped or square. Only idiots will get suckered into a conversation and waste their time arguing about things that majority of the 8 billion on this planet cannot verify.

Instead of wasting your time calling that round earth theory as bogus and harping on about flat earth. Giving it the title the greatest deception, the fact that this title was given. The greatest deception has been the Bretten Woods Agreement - Circa 1944. Where Gold was banned as a median of payment in local markets in any country around the world. Being replaced by paper money, also known as fiat currency.

Today the countries of the world are majority in abject poverty. Today independent states cannot conduct free and fair commerce. Today majority of countries are plunged into perpetual debt. And those countries with natural resources are either "pet dogs" (saudis, qataris, kuwaitis, emiratis and bahrainis) of the Zionists, or those who remain defiant (Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen) are obliterated by the Zionists.

So I am not apologetic, when I say that this whole "flat earth" campaign, is nothing more than another "ca-ca-me-me" bull$hit to further absorb people around the world focus their attention away from the real deception that spins us around today and makes us look like a bunch of j@ck@sses.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

The water's curved because it wraps around the earth and held in place by gravity, besides that its surface acts as a streched elastic membrane ( surface tension).

The examples you gave for flat water level also hold true, only on a much smaller scale, in a circle, on its circumference, the shortest distance between two adjacent points is a straight line. The individual inference on a personal observation is on a much smaller scale compared to the circumference of the earth, so an individual observes a flat water bodies. You can look up long distance bridges over water bodies, engineers have to account for the curvature of the earth and adjust the bridge design accordingly.

I've tried explaining this three different ways now

With all due respect you are going in tangent when you talk about long distances bridges, I am not talking about the earth curvature, crest or whatever you want to call it, its not a debate of flat earth vs a sphere. I am talking about basic property of liquid water. Water will maintain its flat surface/level regardless if its held in a glass, a pool or in an ocean. its absurd to think about "bending" the water surface under the influence of gravity, and even if we are to believe that, the earth crest that you posted before (attached below) should also "curve" the oceans surface accordingly, not like the one shown as perfect blue planet from outer space pics. You cant have your cake and eat it. Delink the earth as "rock" and water on top of it to have a better understanding.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Myself, I am a proud round-earther. I am also a conspiracy theorist. I do not believe that the NASA people in the 60's went to the moon. I believe the moon landing is fake.

There is a lots of evidence of moon landings from different countries spacecrafts showing Apollo Lunar modules from different areas on the moon @Omar Al-Deek

One thing I cant get my head around with earth being a nicely rounded sphere is the vast oceans and water. How water stick in a nice "rounded" shape specially in southern hemisphere where it is water property to flatten itself out.

Simple answer of you question is GRAVITY @Taimoor Khan

I doubt it. You see, you can put water inside a spherical object and make it assume the same shape but you cant put water "outside" and accept the same result.


This is something which really does my head in tbh.

Do you know water found is found everywhere in the universe, in dust cloud of star forming regions/Atmosphere of the sun (in water vapors) @Taimoor Khan

Try seeing the same ships with binos. They never dissappear below the Horizon. This has already been tested and proven.

Then shows us some prove with some clips @War Thunder

lol, care to Google? The science you depend on has already questioned gravity.

please provide with reliable research paper links not some news paper links @War Thunder

watch the video once bro.

And that's the proof the Earth is round, why don't believe in this simple experiments that everyone can verify @War Thunder

An interesting point of view.

Most of us take gravity as an assumed part of our living realities, but why? Basic physics introduces us to the concept of gravity from a Newtonian sense, but when you start factoring Einstein into an understanding of gravity, things get… weird. For example, gravity may simply not exist

There lots of so claim self proclaim pseudo scientist's clips on YouTube @Taimoor Khan

While at it.
Also tell me why you are not allowed to visit Antarctica as a free citizen of the Earth?

Because common people can't survive there because of extreme conditions without proper equipment much long,And Antarctica called Scientific continent Because its has pristine environment since millions of years @War Thunder

Nothing controversial? what are you on about. Gravity is not even a force according to Einstein for crying out loud! That physics book that you were taking a jibe about that told you about the Uncle Newton theory of gravity is completely negated by Einstein. You cant compare Apple and oranges. These are completely two different phenomenon.

Now go back to my original question about the water surface making a curve over the earth crest as seen from satellite imagery, and how it doesn't make sense as to how liquid behave (water surface), and you jumping in conversation trying to be smartypants and giving your two cents about the gravity (Newtonian) , what I was trying to tell you, the gravity itself is a controversial subject.

Space time of Einstein and newton's gravity is a same thing but Newton explain it in rather simple way in one dimensional equation at the time gravity discovery by Newton there were no time concepts for the universal studies, Einstein was the person who interrelated GRAVITY and TIME and called it SPACE TIME, you're mixing things up @Taimoor Khan

And when was the last time you saw an actual footage of the North Pole? Let me guess, never...

Because there is nothing just ice shelves over the sea, and there are pics of USN nuclear submarines visiting north pole @

Please put your reading glasses/hearing aids on and go through it again.

Most of us take gravity as an assumed part of our living realities, but why? Basic physics introduces us to the concept of gravity from a Newtonian sense, but when you start factoring Einstein into an understanding of gravity, things get… weird. For example, gravity may simply not exist

Gives some reliable research paper links not some news paper links @Taimoor Khan

 

[Taimoor Khan]

There lots of so claim self proclaim pseudo scientist's clips on YouTube @Taimoor Khan

Simple answer of you question is GRAVITY @Taimoor Khan

Do you know water found is found everywhere in the universe, in dust cloud of star forming regions/Atmosphere of the sun (in water vapors) @Taimoor Khan

Space time of Einstein and newton's gravity is a same thing but Newton explain it in rather simple way in one dimensional equation at the time gravity discovery by Newton there were no time concepts for the universal studies, Einstein was the person who interrelated GRAVITY and TIME and called it SPACE TIME, you're mixing things up @Taimoor Khan

Gives some reliable research paper links not some news paper links @Taimoor Khan

https://curiosity.com/topics/believe-it-or-not-science-still-cant-explain-gravity-curiosity/


That's not to say we don't understand gravity in practical terms. Newton's laws of motion work perfectly well for falling apples and speeding trains. The problem is that they fall apart when things get too small or too big, making it hard to understand things like atoms and black holes.

 

[Ultima Thule]

https://curiosity.com/topics/believe-it-or-not-science-still-cant-explain-gravity-curiosity/


That's not to say we don't understand gravity in practical terms. Newton's laws of motion work perfectly well for falling apples and speeding trains. The problem is that they fall apart when things get too small or too big, making it hard to understand things like atoms and black holes.

Bro with due respect SPACE AND TIME AND GRAVITY are the same thing, Einstein define in two dimensional equations and we are not finished yet if GRAVITY is not holding everything so what mysteries force holding the Whole universe, and you're quoted article doesn't say scientist that they are neglecting/denying the existence of GRAVITY but its mechanism/ how it implement on the Universe at vast level (Universal scale) as well as at atomic level @Taimoor Khan

 

[Cookie Monster]

Maybe he was mislead just like most of us?

Al Beiruni was misled? U feeling alright? Have u read the works of Al Beiruni? What about all the other thousands of physicists and astronomers from around the world for hundreds of years...they were all misled?

U r willing to brush off NASA's videos and images of earth as "fake" and yet this YouTube video is legit? What exactly are ur parameters about establishing someone's credibility?

Also I'm curious why do u think NASA is the one "misleading" ppl into thinking the world is round? What do they gain from it? Do ppl start doling out loads of cash to NASA bcuz of earth being round...and if it ended up being flat instead ppl would stop giving NASA money?

Did u know it's not NASA that established that the earth is round? It has been known for thousands of years. Eratosthenes(Greek) calculated Earth's circumference thousands of years ago.

Most importantly do u know how physics works...gravity to be more precise? The gravitational laws in our 3 spatial dimensional universe ensure that when mass coalesces...whether it is gas(that forms a star or a gas giant) or rock/ice(making rocky planets or moons)...it will ALWAYS take a spherical shape(if it has enough mass). U should learn the subject matter u r trying to discuss based off a YouTube video instead of wasting everyone's time here.

Mods plz close this thread
@waz @The Eagle @Dubious

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Bro with due respect SPACE AND TIME AND GRAVITY are the same thing, Einstein define in two dimensional equations and we are not finished yet if GRAVITY is not holding everything so what mysteries force holding the Whole universe, and you're quoted article doesn't say scientist that they are neglecting/denying the existence of GRAVITY but its mechanism/ how it implement on the Universe at vast level (Universal scale) as well as at atomic level @Taimoor Khan

Thing which cannot be explained and how it works at all levels, is used to explain the curve/bend on the water surface which is not observed in our daily lives! Let that all sink in. Some say, the curve is because of gravity, well then why we see a perfect sphere blue planet from outer space, when the earth crest is anything but a sphere!

 

[Cookie Monster]

Thing which cannot be explained and how it works at all levels, is used to explain the curve/bend on the water surface which is not observed in our daily lives! Let that all sink in. Some say, the curve is because of gravity, well then why we see a perfect sphere blue planet from outer space, when the earth crest is anything but a sphere!

Let's say for a moment that all the ppl who have spent a large portion of their lives studying physics and astronomy...are ALL wrong...and they have been consistently wrong for hundreds of years...

Let's assume u r right. Now then can u explain to me what shape the earth has? And how the gravity works on this flat Earth?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Let's say for a moment that all the ppl who have spent a large portion of their lives studying physics and astronomy...are ALL wrong...and they have been consistently wrong for hundreds of years...

Let's assume u r right. Now then can u explain to me what shape the earth has? And how the gravity works on this flat Earth?

Don't waste my time without following the thread. Don't like to keep on repeating myself over and over again. Its not about flat vs sphere earth debate.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Thing which cannot be explained and how it works at all levels, is used to explain the curve/bend on the water surface which is not observed in our daily lives! Let that all sink in. Some say, the curve is because of gravity, well then why we see a perfect sphere blue planet from outer space, when the earth crest is anything but a sphere!

Don't be ridiculous, Scientists is not denying that gravity is no where, as i already explain in my above post that scientist trying to understand how gravity works in universal level/atomic levels but they don't called GRAVITY AS A GRAVITY BUT INSTEAD THEY CALLED SPACE AND TIME BECAUSE EINSTEIN IMPROVE THE THEORY OF GRAVITY AND GIVES THE NAME OF IT SPACE AND TIME ( ALTERNATE WORD) @Taimoor Khan

And what you mean CREST of the Earth please define/explain bit more, if there is no gravity so what holding the land mass of the Earth like mountain/plains/desert/Plants/Animals, everything that on earth think logically @Taimoor Khan

 

[Cookie Monster]

Don't waste my time without following the thread. Don't like to keep on repeating myself over and over again. Its not about flat vs sphere earth debate.

Actually I read all ur posts bringing up how water is supposed to act and what not...all wrong of course and I could describe in detail about how and why it was wrong...but for a moment I thought instead of me giving a detailed breakdown of how things work...
this time I'll ask u to give me a detailed answer of ur "perception" of what the world is like...

I assume this cop out is bcuz u have no detailed explanation to give? Or maybe u do and it's just not logically sound.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Don't waste my time without following the thread. Don't like to keep on repeating myself over and over again. Its not about flat vs sphere earth debate.

You do believe in conspiracy theories but every scientific understanding of ours is states that Earth is round not flat and and there are lots of our current scientific facts, and Gravity is responsible to hold all thing on Earth @Taimoor Khan

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Actually I read all ur posts bringing up how water is supposed to act and what not...all wrong of course and I could describe in detail about how and why it was wrong...but for a moment I thought instead of me giving a detailed breakdown of how things work...
this time I'll ask u to give me a detailed answer of ur "perception" of what the world is like...

I assume this cop out is bcuz u have no detailed explanation to give? Or maybe u do and it's just not logically sound.

That's why I said, FOLLOW the damn thread first, you will have the idea where this conversation came from. If I knew the satisfactory answer , I wouldn't be asking the question at first place am I?

Go on, explain to me.

 

[Cookie Monster]

That's why I said, FOLLOW the damn thread first, you will have the idea where this conversation came from. If I knew the satisfactory answer , I wouldn't be asking the question at first place am I?

Go on, explain to me.

At the moment I have to get ready for work(it's 6:30am here in California).

In short regarding ur post about water's "curve"...read up on "center of mass". For a spherical object(earth is more or less spherical) the center of mass lies at the very center of it. This means that everything on the surface of the earth is pulled towards its center(the pull is the gravitational force).

In a hurry...so I don't have much time to go into detail or find the correct visual representation...here's one I found with a quick Google search.

Ignore the cube. The vector points represent the pull of gravity on everything that's on the surface of the earth.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

You do believe in conspiracy theories but every scientific understanding of ours is states that Earth is round not flat and and there are lots of our current scientific facts, and Gravity is responsible to hold all thing on Earth @Taimoor Khan

This is how the earth model is (as per a poster here) , the earth crust.

This is how we are shown on TV

(Notice you can see Africa in both pictures, from more or less same angle)




If we are to assume that its gravity which is holding water in a curve (with round earth mode) and bending its surface in perfectly smooth sphere (as shown above), but we also know that earth is not sphere, why the water is not bending inwards or outwards in relation with the earth crest?