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"As much as one quarter of the population living in the north of Iran died in Persian The Great Famine.[1][2] Although the research of Mohammad Gholi Majd alleges as many as 8-10 million killed, this is based on an original population estimate of 19 million. Other estimates place the original population at only 11 million, disputing Majd's numbers.[3][4] The Iranian government has stated that The Great Famine of Persian was caused by the British (this is disputed, should be seen in context of bad Iran–United Kingdom relations) and that 8-10 million people died, this death toll also being in the American Archives.[5][6]
As many as 8 to 10 million Iranians perished because of starvation and disease during the great famine of 1917-1919 (1296-1298 Hijri Calendar), making it the greatest calamity in Persia's history. In book of , Mohammad Gholi Majd argues that Persia was the greatest victim of World War One (Great War) and also the victim of possibly the worst genocide of the twentieth century. Using U.S. State Department records, as well as Persian and British sources, Majd describes and documents a veritable holocaust about which practically nothing has been written before.[7]
That virtually no one in the United States, and much of the overall West, would know about the famine in Iran is quite understandable. Britain controlled the news about the war and most of the American elite that shaped the news tended to be Anglophile.[8]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_famine_of_1917-1918


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That is an insanely high number. How could this have happened and why was nobody (UK and Russia) brought to justice?

Here is an article in Farsi about this unfortunate famine. Some photos are graphic.

http://www.mashreghnews.ir/fa/news/161531/هولوکاست-9-میلیون-ایرانی-به-دست-بریتانیای-کبیر-تصاویر


 
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That is an insanely high number. How could this have happened and why was nobody (UK and Russia) brought to justice?

Let's assume the number is accurate, are you trying to say you are not happy for hearing about dead Iranians? Are you seriously demanding justice or this thread has simply been created for poking Iranians like tens of other threads?

And since when west has payed the price for any of its crimes?
 
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Let's assume the number is accurate, are you trying to say you are not happy for hearing about dead Iranians? Are you seriously demanding justice or this thread has simply been created for poking Iranians like tens of other threads?

And since when west has payed the price for any of its crimes?

This thread is intended to discuss the Great Persian Famine of 1917-1919. There is limited literature in English about this unfortunate event. It is a largely unknown event, if not totally unknown, given the scale of the famine. People who have great knowledge about the Middle East and its history often do not know about this event.

I see no trolling anywhere and as for your assumptions, Arabs could easily say the same thing about Iranians commenting in threads about the civil wars in Syria, Iraq and Yemen. However such discussions are pointless.

I dislike the Mullah's that rule Iran and their policy in the Arab world but there is an galaxy between that and "celebrating" some famine that occurred almost 80 years before my birth and that I had nothing to do with or any other Arab for that matter.

So if Iranians educated themselves about their more recent history they would spend more time on demanding justice or obsessing about UK/Russia rather than Arabs, KSA in particular.

You should thank me for starting this thread as it highlights an ignored crime.
 
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Though I think there was a famine in Iran that probably killed millions, I'm not sure about the scale of it, especially since there is only this one book.

Typical shameful act by the British which they successfully kept under wraps. And they can deny it ever happened because of how little known it is.

Thank God we are not nearly as weak now as we were then.
 
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Though I think there was a famine in Iran that probably killed millions, I'm not sure about the scale of it, especially since there is only this one book.

Typical shameful act by the British which they successfully kept under wraps. And they can deny it ever happened because of how little known it is.

Thank God we are not nearly as weak now as we were then.
As it seems i know Khamenei's website more than Iranian subs here :p:
Anyway read this Amir qardas :
The document in the American Archives, reporting the widespread famine and spread of epidemic disease in Iran, estimates the number of the deceased due to the famine to be about 8-10 million.


Sadegh Abbasi*

One of the little-known chapters of history was the widespread famine in Iran during World War I, caused by the British presence in Iran. After the Russian Revolution of 1917, Britain became the main foreign power in Iran and this famine or--more accurately--‘genocide’ was committed by the British. The document in the American Archives, reporting the widespread famine and spread of epidemic disease in Iran, estimates the number of the deceased due to the famine to be about 8-10 million during 1917-19 (1), making this the greatest genocide of the 20th century and Iran the biggest victim of World War I (2).



It should be noted that Iran had been one of the main suppliers of food grains to the British forces stationed in the empire’s South Asian colonies. Although bad harvest during these two years made the situation worse, it was by no means the main reason why the Great Famine occurred. Prof. Gholi Majd of Princeton University writes in his book, The Great Famine and Genocide in Persia, that American documents show that the British prevented imports of wheat and other food grains into Iran from Mesopotamia, Asia, and also the USA, and that ships loaded with wheat were not allowed to unload at the port of Bushehr in the Persian Gulf. Professor Majd argues that Great Britain intentionally created genocide conditions to destroy Iran, and to effectively control the country for its own purposes. Major Donohoe describes Iran of that time as a “land of desolation and death” (3). But this event soon became the subject of a British cover up.



Britain has a long record of its several attempts to conceal history and rewrite it in their own favor. The pages are filled with conspiracies that were covered up by the British government to hide its involvement in different episodes that would tarnish the country’s image. One of the clear examples is the “Jameson Raid”; a failed coup against Paul Kruger’s government in South Africa. This raid was planned and executed directly by the British government of Joseph Chamberlain under the orders of Queen Victoria (4) (5). In 2002, Sir Graham Bower's memoirs were published in South Africa, revealing these involvements that had been covered up for more than a century, focusing attention on Bower as a scapegoat for the incident (6).



The records that were destroyed to cover up British crimes around the globe, or were kept in secret Foreign Office archives, so as to, not only protect the United Kingdom's reputation, but also to shield the government from litigation, are indicative of the attempts made by the British to evade the consequences of their crimes. The papers at Hanslope Park also include the reports on the "elimination" of the colonial authority's enemies in 1950s Malaya; records that show ministers in London knew of the torture and murder of Mau Mau insurgents in Kenya and roasting them alive (7). These records may include those related to Iran’s Great Famine. Why were these records that cover the darkest secrets of the British Empire destroyed or kept secret? Simply because they might ‘embarrass’ Her Majesty’s government (8).



A famine occurred in Ireland from 1845 until 1852 which killed one fourth of the Irish population. This famine was caused by British policies and faced a large cover up attempt by the British government and crown to blame it on ‘potatoes’ (9). The famine, even today, is famous in the world as the “potato famine” when, in reality, it was a result of a planned food shortage and thus a deliberate genocide by the British government (10).



The true face of this famine as a genocide has been proven by historian Tim Pat Coogan in his book The Famine Plot: England’s Role in Ireland’s Greatest Tragedy published by Palgrave MacMillan (11). A ceremony was planned to take place in the US to unveil Coogan’s book in America, but he was denied a visa by the American embassy in Dublin (12).



Therefore it becomes obvious that Britain’s role in Iran’s Great famine, which killed nearly half of Iran’s population, was not unprecedented. The documents published by the British government overlook the genocide, and consequently, the tragedy underwent an attempted cover-up by the British government. The Foreign Office “handbook on Iran” of 1919 mentioned nothing related to the Great Famine.



Julian Bharier, a scholar who studied Iran’s population, built his “backward projection” estimation of Iran’s population (13) based on reports from this “handbook” and, as a result, ignored the effect of the Great Famine on Iran’s population in 1917. Bharier’s estimations were used by some authors to deny the occurrence of the Great Famine or to underestimate its impacts.



By ignoring Iran’s Great Famine in his estimations, Bharier’s work faces four scientific deficiencies. Bharier does not consider the loss of population caused by the famine in his calculations; he needs to ‘adjust’ the figure of the official census in 1956 from 18.97 million to 20.37 million, and this is despite the fact that he uses 1956 census as his primary building block for his “backward projection” model. He also ignores the official growth rates and uses his personal assumptions in this regard, which is far lower than other estimates. Finally, although Bharier frequently cites Amani’s estimates (14), in the end Bharier’s findings contradict that of Amani’s; notably Bharier’s population estimate for 1911 is 12.19 million while Amani put this figure at 10.94 million.



Despite deficiencies in the population estimates offered by Bharier for the period of the Famine and its earlier period, his article offers useful data for the post-Famine period; this is because these figures are generated from 1956 backward. That is to say, numbers generated from 1956 to 1919 are thus credible because they do not include the period of famine. Moreover, this portion of Bharier’s data are also true to that of the American Legation. For example, Caldwell and Sykes estimate the 1919 population at 10 million, which is comparitive to Bharier’s figure of 11 million.



Gholi Majd was not the first author to refute Bharier’s figures for this period. Gad G. Gilbar, in his 1976 article on demographic developments during the second half of the 19th century and the first decade of the 20th century, also considers Bharier’s estimates inaccurate for the period.



In an apparently biased review of Majd’s work, Willem Floor confirms Bharier’s model (15), despite its apparent deficiencies, and takes a mocking tone toward the well- documented work of Gholi Majd to undermine the devastation caused by the British-instigated famine in Iran, to the point of total denial of the existence of such a genocide. Floor also offers inaccurate or untrue information to oppose the fact that the British deprived Iranians from honey and caviar in the north, as he argues caviar was haram (religiously prohibited), while no such fatwa has ever existed in Shia jurisprudence and all available decrees assert that caviar is halal or permissible under the Islamic law. There was a rumor made up by Russians at the time, saying that Caviar was haram and Britain made full use of this rumor.



Another criticism made by Floor was to question why Majd’s work does not use British archival sources. A more important question is why Majd should have used these sources when they totally ignore the occurrence of the famine in Iran. The fact that Majd used mainly US sources seems to be reasonable on the grounds that the US was neutral toward the state of affairs in Iran at the time, and made efforts to help by feeding them (16).



*Sadegh Abbasi is a Junior M.A. student at Tehran University. As a student in history he has also worked as a contributor to different Iranian news agencies.




@Saif al-Arab 's thread is totally right based on history and Britons cannot deny their mess.

@AmirPatriot
References



1. Majd, Mohammad Gholi. The Great Famine & Genocide in Iran: 1917-1919. Lanham : University Press of America, 2013. p.71: books(DAT)google(DAT)com/books?id=5WgSAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA71&lpg.

2. Sniegoski, Stephen J. Iran as a Twentieth Century Victim: 1900 Through the Aftermath of World War II. mycatbirdseat(DAT)com. [Online] 11 10, 2013. [Cited: 10 12, 2015.] mycatbirdseat(DAT)com/2013/11/iran-twentieth-century-victim-1900-aftermath-world-war-ii/.

3. Donohoe, Major M. H. With The Persian Expedition. London : Edward Arnold, 1919. p. 76.

4. Nelson, Michael and Briggs, Asa. Queen Victoria and the Discovery of the Riviera. London : Tauris Parke Paperbacks, 2007. p. 97: books(DAT)google(DAT)com/books?id=6ISE-ZEBfy4C&pg=PA97&lpg.

5. Bower, Graham. Sir Graham Bower's Secret History of the Jameson Raid and the South African Crisis, 1895-1902. Cape Town : Van Riebeeck Society, 2002. p. xii: books(DAT)google(DAT)fr/books?id=VFYFZKRBXz0C&pg=PR23&lpg.

6. Ibid. p. xvii.

7. Cobain, Ian, Bowcott, Owen and Norton-Taylor, Richard. Britain destroyed records of colonial crimes . The Guardian. [Online] 03 17, 2012. [Cited: 10 10, 2015.] (DAT)theguardian(DAT)com/uk/2012/apr/18/britain-destroyed-records-colonial-crimes.

8. Walton, Calder. Empire of Secrets: British Intelligence, the Cold War, and the Twilight of Empire. New York : The Overlook Press, 2013. p. 15: books(DAT)google(DAT)fr/books?id=f2cjCQAAQBAJ&pg=PT15&lpg.

9. Warfield, Brian. History Corner: The Great Irish Famine. wolfetonesofficialsite(DAT)com. [Online] [Cited: 10 12, 2015.] (DAT)wolfetonesofficialsite(DAT)com/famine(DAT)htm.

10. Britain's Cover Up. irishholocaust.org. [Online] [Cited: 10 12, 2015.] irishholocaust(DAT)org/britain'scoverup.

11. Coogan, Tim Pat. The Famine Plot: England's Role in Ireland's Greatest Tragedy. New York : Palgrave Macmillan, 2012.

12. O'Dowd, Niall. Proving the Irish Famine was genocide by the British. IrishCentral. [Online] 08 06, 2015. [Cited: 10 12, 2015.] (DAT)irishcentral(DAT)com/news/proving-the-irish-famine-was-genocide-by-the-british-tim-pat-coogan-moves-famine-history-unto-a-new-plane-181984471-238161151(DAT)html.

13. Bharier, Julien. A Note on the Population of Iran, 1900-1966 . Population Studies. 1968, Vol. 22, 2.

14. Amani, Mehdi. La population de l'Iran. Population (French Edition). 1972, Vol. 27, 3: (DAT)jstor(DAT)org/stable/1529398.

15. Floor, Willem. Reviewed Work: The Great Famine and Genocide in Persia, 1917-1919 by Mohammad Gholi Majd . Iranian Studies. Iran Facing the New Century, 2005, Vol. 38, 1.

16. Fecitt, Harry. Other Theatres of War. westernfrontassociation(DAT)com. [Online] 09 29, 2013. [Cited: 10 12, 2015.] (DAT)westernfrontassociation(DAT)com/the-great-war/great-war-on-land/other-war-theatres/3305-dunsterforce-part-1(DAT)html.
 
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As it seems i know Khamenei's website more than Iranian subs here :p:
Anyway read this Amir qardas :
The document in the American Archives, reporting the widespread famine and spread of epidemic disease in Iran, estimates the number of the deceased due to the famine to be about 8-10 million.


Sadegh Abbasi*

One of the little-known chapters of history was the widespread famine in Iran during World War I, caused by the British presence in Iran. After the Russian Revolution of 1917, Britain became the main foreign power in Iran and this famine or--more accurately--‘genocide’ was committed by the British. The document in the American Archives, reporting the widespread famine and spread of epidemic disease in Iran, estimates the number of the deceased due to the famine to be about 8-10 million during 1917-19 (1), making this the greatest genocide of the 20th century and Iran the biggest victim of World War I (2).



It should be noted that Iran had been one of the main suppliers of food grains to the British forces stationed in the empire’s South Asian colonies. Although bad harvest during these two years made the situation worse, it was by no means the main reason why the Great Famine occurred. Prof. Gholi Majd of Princeton University writes in his book, The Great Famine and Genocide in Persia, that American documents show that the British prevented imports of wheat and other food grains into Iran from Mesopotamia, Asia, and also the USA, and that ships loaded with wheat were not allowed to unload at the port of Bushehr in the Persian Gulf. Professor Majd argues that Great Britain intentionally created genocide conditions to destroy Iran, and to effectively control the country for its own purposes. Major Donohoe describes Iran of that time as a “land of desolation and death” (3). But this event soon became the subject of a British cover up.



Britain has a long record of its several attempts to conceal history and rewrite it in their own favor. The pages are filled with conspiracies that were covered up by the British government to hide its involvement in different episodes that would tarnish the country’s image. One of the clear examples is the “Jameson Raid”; a failed coup against Paul Kruger’s government in South Africa. This raid was planned and executed directly by the British government of Joseph Chamberlain under the orders of Queen Victoria (4) (5). In 2002, Sir Graham Bower's memoirs were published in South Africa, revealing these involvements that had been covered up for more than a century, focusing attention on Bower as a scapegoat for the incident (6).



The records that were destroyed to cover up British crimes around the globe, or were kept in secret Foreign Office archives, so as to, not only protect the United Kingdom's reputation, but also to shield the government from litigation, are indicative of the attempts made by the British to evade the consequences of their crimes. The papers at Hanslope Park also include the reports on the "elimination" of the colonial authority's enemies in 1950s Malaya; records that show ministers in London knew of the torture and murder of Mau Mau insurgents in Kenya and roasting them alive (7). These records may include those related to Iran’s Great Famine. Why were these records that cover the darkest secrets of the British Empire destroyed or kept secret? Simply because they might ‘embarrass’ Her Majesty’s government (8).



A famine occurred in Ireland from 1845 until 1852 which killed one fourth of the Irish population. This famine was caused by British policies and faced a large cover up attempt by the British government and crown to blame it on ‘potatoes’ (9). The famine, even today, is famous in the world as the “potato famine” when, in reality, it was a result of a planned food shortage and thus a deliberate genocide by the British government (10).



The true face of this famine as a genocide has been proven by historian Tim Pat Coogan in his book The Famine Plot: England’s Role in Ireland’s Greatest Tragedy published by Palgrave MacMillan (11). A ceremony was planned to take place in the US to unveil Coogan’s book in America, but he was denied a visa by the American embassy in Dublin (12).



Therefore it becomes obvious that Britain’s role in Iran’s Great famine, which killed nearly half of Iran’s population, was not unprecedented. The documents published by the British government overlook the genocide, and consequently, the tragedy underwent an attempted cover-up by the British government. The Foreign Office “handbook on Iran” of 1919 mentioned nothing related to the Great Famine.



Julian Bharier, a scholar who studied Iran’s population, built his “backward projection” estimation of Iran’s population (13) based on reports from this “handbook” and, as a result, ignored the effect of the Great Famine on Iran’s population in 1917. Bharier’s estimations were used by some authors to deny the occurrence of the Great Famine or to underestimate its impacts.



By ignoring Iran’s Great Famine in his estimations, Bharier’s work faces four scientific deficiencies. Bharier does not consider the loss of population caused by the famine in his calculations; he needs to ‘adjust’ the figure of the official census in 1956 from 18.97 million to 20.37 million, and this is despite the fact that he uses 1956 census as his primary building block for his “backward projection” model. He also ignores the official growth rates and uses his personal assumptions in this regard, which is far lower than other estimates. Finally, although Bharier frequently cites Amani’s estimates (14), in the end Bharier’s findings contradict that of Amani’s; notably Bharier’s population estimate for 1911 is 12.19 million while Amani put this figure at 10.94 million.



Despite deficiencies in the population estimates offered by Bharier for the period of the Famine and its earlier period, his article offers useful data for the post-Famine period; this is because these figures are generated from 1956 backward. That is to say, numbers generated from 1956 to 1919 are thus credible because they do not include the period of famine. Moreover, this portion of Bharier’s data are also true to that of the American Legation. For example, Caldwell and Sykes estimate the 1919 population at 10 million, which is comparitive to Bharier’s figure of 11 million.



Gholi Majd was not the first author to refute Bharier’s figures for this period. Gad G. Gilbar, in his 1976 article on demographic developments during the second half of the 19th century and the first decade of the 20th century, also considers Bharier’s estimates inaccurate for the period.



In an apparently biased review of Majd’s work, Willem Floor confirms Bharier’s model (15), despite its apparent deficiencies, and takes a mocking tone toward the well- documented work of Gholi Majd to undermine the devastation caused by the British-instigated famine in Iran, to the point of total denial of the existence of such a genocide. Floor also offers inaccurate or untrue information to oppose the fact that the British deprived Iranians from honey and caviar in the north, as he argues caviar was haram (religiously prohibited), while no such fatwa has ever existed in Shia jurisprudence and all available decrees assert that caviar is halal or permissible under the Islamic law. There was a rumor made up by Russians at the time, saying that Caviar was haram and Britain made full use of this rumor.



Another criticism made by Floor was to question why Majd’s work does not use British archival sources. A more important question is why Majd should have used these sources when they totally ignore the occurrence of the famine in Iran. The fact that Majd used mainly US sources seems to be reasonable on the grounds that the US was neutral toward the state of affairs in Iran at the time, and made efforts to help by feeding them (16).



*Sadegh Abbasi is a Junior M.A. student at Tehran University. As a student in history he has also worked as a contributor to different Iranian news agencies.




@Saif al-Arab 's thread is totally right based on history and Britons cannot deny their mess.

Indeed. Burying your head in the sand like an ostrich will not change anything and nobody will learn anything from such unfortunate events. If I was not an Arab but say an Tanzanian, I doubt that any Iranian user would even question this thread.

Talk about shooting the messenger!

Also Arabs are one of the last people to "love" British imperial policy given their many crimes, betrayals and senseless decisions in the Arab world.

Anyway I wanted to hear the Iranian perspective from ordinary Iranians as this event is so unknown for most people. That was all.
 
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It seems your source comes from a commie (googling his other books). We cant blame others for a virus and based on a book written by Anti-pahlavi islamist/commies. Just like the spanish flu that killed millions, no one to blame.

It's time that arabs sue usa and Israël. Its clear who attacks and occupies arabs.
 
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Also how could successive Iranian rulers (the last Qajar ruler and afterwards the two Pahlavis) continue such a pro-British policy given that something catastrophic like this had occurred? When the Shah was removed in 1979, many people who experienced this famine personally or their parents, were still alive.

Baffles me a bit.

Was this in any way part of the reason why the Shah was removed and why the anger against his rule was so widespread? The common narrative is that he tried to Westernize an largely conservative and underdeveloped society but that cannot be the only reason.

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Actually both shahs were removed because they were not obedient. Reza shah was neutral towards Hitler, had contacts with nazi Germany. This game stops when a country becomes strong.
 
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Actually both shahs were removed because they were not obedient. Reza shah was neutral towards Hitler, had contacts with nazi Germany. This game stops when a country becomes strong.

How did the average Iranian citizen feel about being ruled by pro-West/British rulers (the Pahlavis were directly installed by the British if I am not wrong and some commoner was suddenly declared a Shah = Pahlavi 1) considering all the trouble that the British had caused previously and this famine?

It seems to me that Iranians are deeply polarized people. You have some of the most pro-Western people in the region but also some of the most anti-Western at the same time.

Also another thing that I never understood, how could a commoner such as Reza Shah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Shah

Suddenly turn into a Shah overnight? Was there not a problem of legitimacy?

Also why did the majority (Persians) expect non-Persian dynastic rule of Iran for such long? Did local nobility in say Southern Iran (Persians, Lurs, Arabs) have their own influential rulers?

Also is Southern Iran more conservative than Central Iran? What about Eastern Iran?
 
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It feels as how average saudis felt when british supported them against Ottomans and and americans saved them from saddam. In Iran, the polarization is not that bad.. we dont bomb of behead each other like some regional countries and ethnicities..

In saudi a smelly waterless bedouin Hunting lizards turned into king, and it's strange for you how a military man from beautifull mazandaran turns into a king?

Lol @Serpentine I smell some trolling here.
 
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It feels as how average saudis felt when british supported them against Ottomans and and americans saved them from saddam. In Iran, the polarization is not that bad.. we dont bomb of behead each other like some regional countries and ethnicities..

You are trolling and writing nonsense in a serious thread? Does the content of this thread (verified by numerous sources and confirmed by photographic evidence) hurt your pride or what?

KSA did not exist when the Arab Revolt occurred and the Arab Revolt had nothing to do with the British under than them suddenly seeing the opportunity to " take a ride on the train" with symbolic support. Small Kuwait was saved from Saddam not KSA. Saddam, even if he wanted, could not have invaded and occupied a huge country (KSA is the 12th largest country on the planet) which very difficult terrain (mountainous and desert). However he would have caused great damage indeed. Just like he did against Iran that also sought Western and even Israeli help.

Well, Baloch and Kurdish rebels would like to disagree with that as would the indigenous MEK. Also Iranian Mullah's have the regional record when it comes to executions.

In any case the questions were meant seriously but I guess that you cannot provide any answers.

The House of Saud, although I am no big fan of them, were never Bedouins and belong to the ancient Arab Anazzah tribe that can trace its history 3000 years back. A tribe/people who are found in Arabia, Levant and Iraq in great numbers.

Najd (which means plateau) is also a beautiful region and a major agricultural region of the MENA and home to numerous wadis. Rainfall in Najd does not differ from the rainfall in most of Central, Eastern and Southern Iran (meaning 80% of Iranian territory).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/`Anazzah

Not only that the House of Saud already became rulers of various sultanates and kingdoms starting from 1744, some stretching much of the Arabian Peninsula, Jordan and Southern Iraq.

I do not think you can compare that with some villager turned officer who suddenly turned Shah.

Anyway you can insult the House of Saud for all I care. I have nothing to do with them. Also I have no ties to Najd either.

Do not get me wrong I think it is not because you are Arab but because you are you.

Is it because I have single-handedly dealt with Arab-obsessed Iranian trolls? Well, that's the exact reason.

Anyway this thread is a serious thread. Let us stick to the topic here.

Also I am not going to help you with computer programming in the future if you are only good at trolling. Trolling on PDF is the game of the day but when serious discussions take place one can easily respect each other. Besides I could not care about any insults. Give and take.
 
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