The future of Muslims in India according to the Hindus

[Cliftonite]

And then what?

I am serious. Not a rhetorical question.

When your economic situation as a community gets better and you all are united on one front under one party, you can be on a better negotiating position with the Hindu folks. Once you are consolidated as one, you will be able to make alliances with other parties like Dalits or liberals or Christians to break the hegemony of the Brahmins. Congress will not speak for you but your own leaders will speak for you guys.

But none of this can happen when you are spread all over from Kashmir to Kanyakumari, that will just dilute your voting power. There needs to be a consolidated bloc of Muslims, preferably in a few specific states.

Uniting the 250 million Muslims is the biggest challenge. Do that and thing will be much better for you.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

alliances with other parties like Dalits or liberals or Christians to break the hegemony of the Brahmins. Congress will not speak for you but your own leaders will speak for you guys.

This is where you are wrong.

Hindu leadership in the hands of a few Brahmins - this is a misconception. Many generations of Muslims have paid a dear price for this. The leadership rests firmly among all classes and castes. That is why we face the problems we do.

No secular party will be willing to side with a Muslim party ANYWHERE.

I do hope for a separate homeland, but that even my friends say is too unrealistic.

Well, a man can hope, right?

 

[Cliftonite]

@AfrazulMandal once you guys are consolidated, you can start media representation for yourself. Soft power is very important these days. Indian Muslims have no voice in the media. Start lobbying internationally to put pressure on Indian government like the Khalistani Sikhs do. Use alliances with foreign leaders to arm twist Indian bullying. I'm not saying this all out of thin air.

This is where you are wrong.

Hindu leadership in the hands of a few Brahmins - this is a misconception. Many generations of Muslims have paid a dear price for this. The leadership rests firmly among all classes and castes. That is why we face the problems we do.

No secular party will be willing to side with a Muslim party ANYWHERE.

I do hope for a separate homeland, but that even my friends say is too unrealistic.

Well, a man can hope, right?

You know why the Indian government doesn't push too hard on the Sikhs or the Nagas? Because they are all concentrated in one province and the threat of secession looms very high over India. They don't want to antagonize them further. Which is why I keep repeating you guys need to be concentrated in one or two states.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

You know why the Indian government doesn't push too hard on the Sikhs or the Nagas? Because they are all concentrated in one province and the threat of secession looms very high over India. They don't want to antagonize them further. Which is why I keep repeating you guys need to be concentrated in one or two states.

Well I know being a Pakistani you have your perceptions.

Thing is that in India - what the Sanghis claim about the Sikhs is largely true (except that they call themselves Hindu). There actually is no real idea of separatism among Sikhs in Punjab. Plus, Sikhs and Hindus in INDIA hate Muslims equally. If not more.

Wrt Nagas, India cares little about. No historically significant artifact is there, no religious ties, no strategic benefits... hence nobody cares.

 

[Imran Khan]

 

[Naofumi]

No secular party will be willing to side with a Muslim party ANYWHERE.

UPA had Owaisi, All India United Democratic Front and Indian Union Muslim League.

You know why the Indian government doesn't push too hard on the Sikhs or the Nagas? Because they are all concentrated in one province and the threat of secession looms very high over India. They don't want to antagonize them further.

There's another side too - Hindus also feel antagonistic about other things like personal laws and higher birth rates of Muslims, these things are absent in other communities. All other minorities are better off than Hindus except one, that's the core of the problem.

 

[Suriya]

@xeuss @AfrazulMandal @Naofumi @jamahir @Mad Scientist
What are your views about Ambar Zaidi, Ifrah Jan, Nighat Abbas and Subuhi Khan?


I prefer Owaisi over Likes of Umar Khalid

https://twitter.com/x/status/1260549140284571648

 

[xeuss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1260549140284571648

When did you get unbanned? And how long do you intend to stay with us this time?

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

He will be treated as if a Musalli will change his baradari to Syed - no one will believe him and neither marry him.

Bro In Pakistan peoples have transformed themselves,You can not call musalli a musalli on his face.Believe me he will kill you,
Mouchis and weavers--------------call themselves Ansaris
Buchers and mirasis----------Known as Qureshis
Telis call themselves maliks
Musalli---------------Muslim Sheikh etc

 

[Cliftonite]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1260549140284571648

Who cares? I think they're Muslim just by name like Nusrat Jehan Rufi.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

Hindus also feel antagonistic about other things like personal laws and higher birth rates of Muslims, these things are absent in other communities.

This is problematic.

Hindus have a long list of grudges against Muslims.

Personal laws and higher birth rates are just 2 out of them.

Are you willing to let go of some of our core values and them deciding the number of kids we have? Family size is something personal and should be decided by the parents - not some insecure Hindu.

They will also ask for all the temples and all. There is no end to appeasing Hindus.

Nusrat Jehan Rufi

She isn't a Muslim.

 

[Raghav_101]

This is problematic.

Hindus have a long list of grudges against Muslims.

Personal laws and higher birth rates are just 2 out of them.

Are you willing to let go of some of our core values and them deciding the number of kids we have? Family size is something personal and should be decided by the parents - not some insecure Hindu.

They will also ask for all the temples and all. There is no end to appeasing Hindus.


She isn't a Muslim.

You wouldn't believe it ( because you don't want to ) but a large portion of Hindus' grudge against Muslims comes from your "aggressive religious life" that is perceived as a threat. Your habit of forcing your religion in everyone's face is what makes everyone insecure.

It feeds the narrative that your life is all about religion ( few memebers confirmed it here that it actually is ).

I see it even here. You will find faults everywhere but never in you. Some muslims just can't control their urge to show aggressive religious zeal. That leads to a reaction. But you will never admit it. According to you , you are a pure innocent deer who is targetted just because others are evil. How cute.

 

[Soumitra]

This is problematic.

Hindus have a long list of grudges against Muslims.

Personal laws and higher birth rates are just 2 out of them.

Are you willing to let go of some of our core values and them deciding the number of kids we have? Family size is something personal and should be decided by the parents - not some insecure Hindu.

They will also ask for all the temples and all. There is no end to appeasing Hindus.


She isn't a Muslim.

Yes there are many other grudges we have. The implicit support of separatists and terrorists is the main one.

Family size not only affects the particular family but society as a whole. With more kids you need more hospitals, more schools, more infrastructure. Unless you live on an isolated island with no dependency on the govt your population increase affects the whole country. The TFR of all others is now close to 2.1. For some like Parsees it is below replacement fertility. But for Muslims it is still high.

The other issue is that you want all govt benefits but "Kaagaz nahi dikhayenge"

 

[Joe Shearer]

Bro In Pakistan peoples have transformed themselves,You can not call musalli a musalli on his face.Believe me he will kill you,
Mouchis and weavers--------------call themselves Ansaris
Buchers and mirasis----------Known as Qureshis
Telis call themselves maliks
Musalli---------------Muslim Sheikh etc

The same here, afaik.

@Naofumi @xeuss

 

[Raghav_101]

There is a reason for this.

Our religion makes sense. Yours do not. You know this.

To hide your insecurity, you come up with hate - unabridged hate for Islam and Muslims. This is a trend all over the world. What you call aggressive religious life is what gives us the moral values to live our lives. We dont rape women with a pulse, petty crimes are minimal in all Muslim countries, social indicators are better among even poverty stricken Indian Muslims, we don't abandon wives and so on. You get the gist.

While you consider an animal as a God and lynch people for allegedly carrying its meat.

Excuse me Sir.
You don't get to decide that your religion makes sense and others don't. Everyone thinks that only his religion makes sense. go ask a tribe in Amazon. I am sure his religion makes sense too.

Will you ever get the notion that Religion must be a personal thing ? Like ever ? It's alright that your religion is best, just don't shove it in my face or anyone's face for that matter.

About all the rape and other stuff that you gleefully write to show superiority of an Islamic society

As much condemnable it is, Rape isn't the only evil to have besieged humanity. So many muslim countries are a mess. Is pakistani society free of all ills ?

Just talks don't work mate. First build a beautiful society free of ills if you wanna present your religion as a blessing. Without that it's just a huge gift box with all glitters but very few things inside.