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A snippet on the Indian navy's "professionalism" as witnessed first hand by a US naval officer.
This article was from May 2014, so fairly recent.

Indian Navy ship nearly collided with U.S. tanker

"The American officer, a lieutenant, serving on an Arleigh Burke destroyer of the US 7th Fleet, was an exchange officer for five days on the INS Delhi, the Indian flagship that participated in the India-US Malabar naval exercise in the Pacific.

"Their captain was driving the ship when it came within 50 feet of the stern of a USNS replenishment ship and at any given time there were multiple officers on the bridge screaming at each other. They were generally clueless and had almost zero seamanship skills," he claims."

The exchange officer — a surface warfare specialist — took a dim view both of the leadership style and also the fighting capability of the Indian Navy. "They could barely avoid hitting other ships in the middle of the Pacific, I doubt they'd be popping off any rounds (firing ammunition) with any amount of accuracy," he states.

Asked by a reader how he would rate the Indian Navy's chances in war, the officer responded, "I would be surprised if most of their gear worked. The stuff I saw (I got a pretty extensive tour) looked like it fell straight out of the 60s and 70s and I would be genuinely flabbergasted if they got any rounds off... Truthfully, after touring their ship extensively I would be very much surprised if the majority of their armament even successfully fired, let along hit anything."

:rofl:

im familiar with this baseless internet rumour. this started about a decade back and mysteriously, has no credible source.

the official sources say something else.

for eg about indian air force,

The outcome of the exercise boils down to [the fact that] they ran tactics that were more advanced than we expected, Snowden says. India had developed its own air tactics somewhat in a vacuum. They had done some training with the French that we knew about, but we did not expect them to be a very well-trained air force.
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"The Indian Air Force is a world-class air force with great aircraft, great pilots, and great leadership," said Capt. Marcus Wilson, an Aggressor pilot at Nellis and the team chief for the exercise.
Code One Magazine: Building Friendships Volume 24 Number 1 2009

Indian pilots have created their own combat techniques and proved to be very smart, flexible and adaptive. This was also not an expected fact because Western tactical experts used to stay on their vision of dealing with Russian style pilots with rigid tactics and no independent moves what so ever. All this matters combined points out the Indian fighters to a real considerable threat leaving the Western analysts and USAF Command thinking it over how credible their own weapons are.
http://www.dutchaviationsupport.com/Articles/IL-78%20MIDAS&Crousaders.pdf

Indian AF Su-30K during the Cope India exercise. The Flanker's soundly defeated US Air Force F-15Cs during this exercise, exploiting not only superior BVR radar/missile capabilities, but also the TKS-2 datalink, used to network flights of Flankers
ausairpower.net/flanker.html
(disputed claim)

"We came rolling in, like, 'Beep-beep, superpower coming through,'" Colonel Fornof told me. "And we had our eyes opened. We learned a lot. By the third week, we were facing a threat that we weren't prepared to face, because we had underestimated them. They had figured out how to take Russian-built equipment and improve upon it."
Black Hawk Down author Mark Bowden
Infamous YouTube star Fornof re-appears in pro-F-22 article - The DEW Line

Indian planners combined the use of top-line fighters like this Su-30 with older types and impressive, innovative tactics.
Credit: USAF TSGT. KEITH BROWN
Re:2004 ¦~ 10 ¤ë°ê»Ú·s»D¡]ªÅ­x¡^

Cope India: How the IAF rewrote the rules of air combat


while the official reports for the chinese military are:

While recent years have witnessed atremendous Chinese propaganda effortaimed at convincing the world that the PRC is a serious military player that is owed respect, outsiders often forget that China does not even have a professional military.The PLA, unlike the armed forces of the United States, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and other regional heavyweights, is by definition not a professional fighting force. Rather, it is a “party army,” the armed wing of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Indeed, all career officers in the PLA are members of the CCP and all units at the company level and above have political officers assigned to enforce party control. Likewise, all important decisions in the PLA are made by Communist Party committees that are dominated by political officers, not by operators. This system ensures that the interests of the party’s civilian and military leaders are merged, and for this reason new Chinese soldiers entering into the PLA swear their allegiance to the CCP, not to the PRC constitution or the people of China.

China’s Deceptively Weak (and Dangerous) Military | The Diplomat
 
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im familiar with this baseless internet rumour. this started about a decade back and mysteriously, has no credible source.

the official sources say something else.

for eg about indian air force,

The outcome of the exercise boils down to [the fact that] they ran tactics that were more advanced than we expected, Snowden says. India had developed its own air tactics somewhat in a vacuum. They had done some training with the French that we knew about, but we did not expect them to be a very well-trained air force.
Re:2004 ¦~ 10 ¤ë°ê»Ú·s»D¡]ªÅ­x¡^

"The Indian Air Force is a world-class air force with great aircraft, great pilots, and great leadership," said Capt. Marcus Wilson, an Aggressor pilot at Nellis and the team chief for the exercise.
Code One Magazine: Building Friendships Volume 24 Number 1 2009

Indian pilots have created their own combat techniques and proved to be very smart, flexible and adaptive. This was also not an expected fact because Western tactical experts used to stay on their vision of dealing with Russian style pilots with rigid tactics and no independent moves what so ever. All this matters combined points out the Indian fighters to a real considerable threat leaving the Western analysts and USAF Command thinking it over how credible their own weapons are.
http://www.dutchaviationsupport.com/Articles/IL-78%20MIDAS&Crousaders.pdf

Indian AF Su-30K during the Cope India exercise. The Flanker's soundly defeated US Air Force F-15Cs during this exercise, exploiting not only superior BVR radar/missile capabilities, but also the TKS-2 datalink, used to network flights of Flankers
ausairpower.net/flanker.html
(disputed claim)

"We came rolling in, like, 'Beep-beep, superpower coming through,'" Colonel Fornof told me. "And we had our eyes opened. We learned a lot. By the third week, we were facing a threat that we weren't prepared to face, because we had underestimated them. They had figured out how to take Russian-built equipment and improve upon it."
Black Hawk Down author Mark Bowden
Infamous YouTube star Fornof re-appears in pro-F-22 article - The DEW Line

Indian planners combined the use of top-line fighters like this Su-30 with older types and impressive, innovative tactics.
Credit: USAF TSGT. KEITH BROWN
Re:2004 ¦~ 10 ¤ë°ê»Ú·s»D¡]ªÅ­x¡^

Cope India: How the IAF rewrote the rules of air combat


while the official reports for the chinese military are:

While recent years have witnessed atremendous Chinese propaganda effortaimed at convincing the world that the PRC is a serious military player that is owed respect, outsiders often forget that China does not even have a professional military.The PLA, unlike the armed forces of the United States, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and other regional heavyweights, is by definition not a professional fighting force. Rather, it is a “party army,” the armed wing of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Indeed, all career officers in the PLA are members of the CCP and all units at the company level and above have political officers assigned to enforce party control. Likewise, all important decisions in the PLA are made by Communist Party committees that are dominated by political officers, not by operators. This system ensures that the interests of the party’s civilian and military leaders are merged, and for this reason new Chinese soldiers entering into the PLA swear their allegiance to the CCP, not to the PRC constitution or the people of China.

China’s Deceptively Weak (and Dangerous) Military | The Diplomat

LOL, how convenient. Everything that shows the awful truth about India "has no credible" source to you. I linked the article by the way. I'll do it again since you missed it:

Indian Navy ship nearly collided with U.S. tanker

"Even more revealing are the American officer's observations on Indian leadership style, which is described as over-centralised, even feudal. "They don't entrust their people with any responsibility until they are very senior Lieutenants (O-3s) and junior Lieutenant Commanders (O-4s). At this point in the US Navy there are literally guys commanding ships, and these guys couldn't even be trusted to handle a radio circuit," the American observed."
 
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Very well said. I thought the article was very well balanced.

I think the author, a Japanese, is a bit modest to rank JMSDF lower in the rank.

In defensive warfare, I would rank JMSDF second place on this planet after USN. As the author said "...This fleet of 46 destroyers - more than the British and French navies combined ... ", most Aegis Combat System after USN, formidable aniti-sub capabilities, etc., combined to make JMSDF undefeatable by any navy (take out the nuclear factor which is not pure naval anymore) other than USN. Of course we cannot predict what is the case in the future, but it is cold hard fact now.

In offensive warfare far away from Japanese waters, either the rank is about right or French navy might take its place i.e. JMSDF rank sixth.

Overall speaking, JMSDF should be about the same weight as Royal navy, Russian navy or PLAN, just differ in areas of specialty.

So I agree with Nihonjin1051, the article is well balanced as per current situation.
 
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You gonna fight your boss? I hope you keep your job however low pay it is.
BTW, he ranks high, you don't.

Who care whether IN dance Bharatanatyam or cook curry on decks or whatever 4000 years ago?
Yawn go chat with Ethiopian navy i.e. those in your league will you? You are not in the rank, boring. Read it.

Wow talk BS now? ... B = cow ... S = dung ... sorry lady that's what you worship. Troll, and off-topic. Whatever about cow excretion start a new thread at Incredible India section.
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Ok try again
This time give me a good reason
Why will the Royal Navy defeat us in Indian Ocean
& how do you think that PLAM Hasmonean exp than IN

LOL, how convenient. Everything that shows the awful truth about India "has no credible" source to you. I linked the article by the way. I'll do it again since you missed it:

Indian Navy ship nearly collided with U.S. tanker

"Even more revealing are the American officer's observations on Indian leadership style, which is described as over-centralised, even feudal. "They don't entrust their people with any responsibility until they are very senior Lieutenants (O-3s) and junior Lieutenant Commanders (O-4s). At this point in the US Navy there are literally guys commanding ships, and these guys couldn't even be trusted to handle a radio circuit," the American observed."

There is enough dirt about both putMilitary forces so let's not make this a bashing debate
 
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Ok try again
This time give me a good reason
Why will the Royal Navy defeat us in Indian Ocean
& how do you think that PLAM Hasmonean exp than IN



There is enough dirt about both putMilitary forces so let's not make this a bashing debate

:cheers:
 
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That wonders me too ... yeah right "sir" to your boss or ex-boss, don't fight, still good girl, oh but he is not brit?
Oooops ... :hitwall:
Quote me again when you have answers to my questions against your Claims
 
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Okay
How will the Royal Navy defeat us in Indian Ocean
& how do you think that PLAN Has more exp than IN

The reality is that with the exception of the USN, none of the other navies ranked can defeat each other if they stray too far from their traditional spheres of operation. The RN, IMO can't defeat the IN in the Indian Ocean. The PLAN can't defeat the IN in the Indian Ocean either. Similarly, the IN and RN have no chance against the PLAN if they venture in the SCS.

The ultimate deciding factor is achieving local superiority in naval forces which is dependent upon logistics and the huge contribution of land based aircraft for the "home" navy.

These rankings are all crap, IMO. The USN is and will remain the only true global navy and all others are runners up. And you know what they say - there's nothing more expensive than a 2nd best navy.

Edit: IMO, China recognizes the USN's overwhelming strengths. And that's why the PLAN has never intended to defeat the USN in the middle of "nowhere" as was often characteristic of naval battles historically. That's why China is developing ASBMs. Despite a 2000km range, it's still a land based asset and is basically China's way of extending "home court" advantage to it's ships that are starting to operate farther and farther from shore.
 
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The reality is that with the exception of the USN, none of the other navies ranked can defeat each other if they stray too far from their traditional spheres of operation. The RN, IMO can't defeat the IN in the Indian Ocean. The PLAN can't defeat the IN in the Indian Ocean either. Similarly, the IN and RN have no chance against the PLAN if they venture in the SCS.

The ultimate deciding factor is achieving local superiority in naval forces which is dependent upon logistics and the huge contribution of land based aircraft for the "home" navy.

These rankings are all crap, IMO. The USN is and will remain the only true global navy and all others are runners up. And you know what they say - there's nothing more expensive than a 2nd best navy.

Edit: IMO, China recognizes the USN's overwhelming strengths. And that's why the PLAN has never intended to defeat the USN in the middle of "nowhere" as was often characteristic of naval battles historically. That's why China is developing ASBMs. Despite a 2000km range, it's still a land based asset and is basically China's way of extending "home court" advantage to it's ships that are starting to operate farther and farther from shore.

See that was not do damn hard
& I agree USN remains the only true global navy with the Brits & French coming 2nd & 3rd
 
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Okay
How will the Royal Navy defeat us in Indian Ocean
& how do you think that PLAN Has more exp than IN

See that's good girl, tamed like a kitty ha ... so cute

First question, RN ranks 4 (1st post of this thread, i agree with it), IN can't be found anywhere, go check it out.

Second question, PLAN ranks among Asia's top 5 mostly deadly navies comparing professionalism within Asia (The 5 Most Deadly Navies in Asia , i agree with it), and PLAN ranks 2 here too (details in 1st post of this thread), but OMG still IN can't be found anywhere, please go check them out.

Any more comprehensive article you can find with IN appears on it and show how mighty it is, feel free to post on PDF or reply here. Now go try my good girl will you? Remember to alert me.
 
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My list of top 10 navies....
10. Turkey - Growing military power


9. Taiwan - Has many old ships buy a strong numeric strength


8. South Korea - Good number of surface vessels and 12 subs too but lacks aircraft carriers, nuclear subs and lacks quality amphibious capability


7. Japan maritime self-defense force - exceptionally large for a defense force but has the quantity and quality - lacks nuclear subs and aircraft carriers


6. UK - has excellent submarine and amphibious capability but has a declining surface fleet and defense cuts


5. France - has excellent overall capabilities including nuke subs and lone nuke powered aircraft carrier and excellent amphibious capabilities - once again a country whose navy is not growing in numbers but building to replace old ships


4. INDIA - navy to watch out for - good mix of surface ships and 48 ships on order including 2 aircraft carriers under construction and many nuke subs and conventional to join the fleet - realistically the only Asian navy to match china


3. china - loads of ships in numbers - half the existing fleet obsolete - many ships under construction - has an aircraft carrier now - and building many nuke and conventional subs


2. Russia - for those of you who think Russian navy is old please think again - loads of frigates and corvettes under construction - to get 2 helicopter carriers with 2 under construction - and some of the most modern nuclear and conventional subs - but they do have obsolete equipment as well


1. USA - Undoubtedly number 1 - 11 aircraft carriers all nuclear - 70 odd Subs all nuclear - 87 destroyers and cruisers 30 odd frigates and LCS and un-matchable amphibious capabilities

Hahaha.....now the virtual war begins
 
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