The coronavirus crisis is turning Americans in both parties against China

[Pepsi Cola]

Dare CN leader like Xi said CN "help-protect" VN agaisnt US ?? No, they dare not ?

Do u know why ? Bcs VN asked help from Soviet and Stalin ordered Mao to support VN. Mao owed big debt from Soviet, so Mao must do what Stalin told him to do.

Thats why, CN willing to bow down to new Masters US and old master Jap in 1978 after Soviet dislike CN for tealing Soviet weapons tech sending to VN.

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Former Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping (

Without China, Ho Chi Minh wouldn't be a thing.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Without China, Ho Chi Minh wouldn't be a thing.

If Stalin said "No" when Mao begging help, then Mao would still hiding inside unknow cave like he did during Nanjing massacre

 

[Pepsi Cola]

If Stalin said "No" when Mao begging help, then Mao would still hiding inside unknow cave like he did during Nanjing massacre

So my point still stands that we should be grateful for each other.

 

[vi-va]

I'm not an ideological person and I prefer the truth over nationalism, unlike most people.

My main problems with modern China have more to do with a lot of the cultural norms, values in both society and politics. This doesn't mean I agree with how the Western media depicts China or any other country deemed an "enemy". I'm well aware of the long history of manipulation and duplicity in American foreign policy. That is why the only presidential candidate I supported was Tulsi Gabbard.

Currently, the US deep state and the financier cabal, which are basically one and the same, are desperate and this desperation is frightening because they are pushing the US to ratchet up hostility against China to a fever pitch where a match can light a war. And this is between the two most powerful nations in the world. Very reckless behavior and many innocent people on both sides will suffer, but desperate and entitled narcissists are capable of great havoc.

Capitalists are imperialists, that's the nature of capitalists. China knew it a hundred years ago, we can't change that.
What China can do is self-protection and help other countries to stand against those warmongers.
US is overstretched for a long time. It's their very elites who destroyed US because of ignorance, arrogance and greed.

 

[Viva_Viet]

So my point still stands that we should be grateful for each other.

CN begged for support from US to attack VN and supported Pol Pot to kill millions Camb ppl and thousands Vnese in 1979.

CN must appology VN first.

 

[Viet]

I never agree with you comment, this is the first one I agree. At least you are intelligent, not like those anti-China fools using fake propaganda.


China never betrayed Vietnam because we don't have any liability to save your country or not. If you do believe we have liability, you are not independent country from the very beginning.

It's Le Duan's misadventure failed Vietnam. He is responsible for his wrong doing and misjudgment. This is off topic.


That's the essence of capitalism.


Even though you come from Vietnam which has similar political system, regarding politics you should learn from @tower9 who is an American.


True.


True.


can't agree more


Can't agree more


You are damn smart when you are not anti-China. Actually most of Chinese members here understand those simple facts, majority people brainwashed by western media don't, especially those liberals or pro-democracy.

It's such an illusion and many people simply don't understand that, democracy/freedom of speech/globalization are just tools to control 3rd world. I think the most brainwashed intellectuals should be Indian, I see hundreds of Indian intellectuals are democracy/freedom of speech lover and can NOT understand those simple fact.


this is called Strategic Fool-you Agency. Because we are smarter than Soros.


We don't blame you for countering Khmer Rouge, we simply don't want you to merge Cambodia. Nobody are fools here.


Economy wise, and political wise, and most important, military wise. Vietnam choose the wrong partner again and again.


China backed North Vietnam on 17 degrees north, no American s boots dare to cross 17 degrees north just like China backed North Korea on 38 degrees north during Korean War.

Without China, there is no fighting ground for North Vietnam.
Without China, there is no North Korea fighting ground.

Did you ever read real history or just so simply believe what you want to believe?

You are paranoid!

Why should you be worried by Vietnam intervention in Cambodia? Or elsewhere?

I don’t see any panic in Vietnam when the PLA intervened in Korea.

We are off topic though.

 

[Paul2]

Why should you be worried by Vietnam intervention in Cambodia? Or elsewhere?

Your Hun Sen is Xi's best bro now

 

[vi-va]

You are paranoid!

Why should you be worried by Vietnam intervention in Cambodia? Or elsewhere?

I don’t see any panic in Vietnam when the PLA intervened in Korea.

We are off topic though.

卧榻之侧其容他人安睡

 

[Viet]

Your Hun Sen is Xi's best bro now

Because we are poor, Xi is rich. He can buy everything everyone. He is the leader of communist paradise China, a country where milk and honey are in abundance.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Your Hun Sen is Xi's best bro now

Wow, Hun Sen just kick CN workers out due to Covid and stop selling rice to CN too.

Wat a gud friend during the pademic !

 

[Han Patriot]

If Stalin said "No" when Mao begging help, then Mao would still hiding inside unknow cave like he did during Nanjing massacre

Well Vietnam is not USSR right? So be thankful to both USSR and China understand? Where were u hiding when US did a MyLai? Still welcome a US carrier for RnR when they did this shit?

 

[Viva_Viet]

Well Vietnam is not USSR right? So be thankful to both USSR and China understand? Where were u hiding when US did a MyLai? Still welcome a US carrier for RnR when they did this shit?

Did we owe CN anything ?? Did we ask help from Mao before asking help from Soviet ??

No, we asked help from Soviet, and Stalin sent Mao to support VN. Before WW2, we didnt even know who is Mao cos hes hiding himself too well inside unknow cave untill master Stalin told him to come out and defend North Korea for Soviet

 

[Pepsi Cola]

Did we owe CN anything ?? Did we ask help from Mao before asking help from Soviet ??

No, we asked help from Soviet, and Stalin sent Mao to support VN. Before WW2, we didnt even know who is Mao cos hes hiding himself too well inside unknow cave untill master Stalin told him to come out and defend North Korea for Soviet

In 1923 Ho was invited to Moscow to attend the Comintern, an organization created by Lenin to promote worldwide revolution. He trained as a Soviet agent, but often was criticized for being a nationalist first and a communist second. He was then sent to China to help establish the Indochina Communist Party with other Vietnamese exiles.

In 1925–1926, he organized "Youth Education Classes" and occasionally gave socialist lectures to Vietnamese revolutionary young people living in Canton at the Whampoa Military Academy. These young people would become the seeds of a new revolutionary, pro-communist movement in Vietnam several years later.

He was jailed in China by Chiang Kai-shek's local authorities before being rescued by Chinese Communists.[1]:198 Following his release in 1943, he returned to Vietnam.

So basically, the Vietnamese communist movement began in China, where Ho was trained. Ho also had a Chinese wife interestingly.

 

[Han Patriot]

Did we owe CN anything ?? Did we ask help from Mao before asking help from Soviet ??

No, we asked help from Soviet, and Stalin sent Mao to support VN. Before WW2, we didnt even know who is Mao cos hes hiding himself too well inside unknow cave untill master Stalin told him to come out and defend North Korea for Soviet

You know the reason why there was a split between USSR and PRC? It's precisely because we didn't want to be a Soviet satellite like Vietnam. We helped Vietnam not because Stalin ordered it, Ho Chi Minh requested the help from Mao. And we helped Vietnam out of comraderie, but Vietnam like an ungrateful dog, did not wag its tail back. You tried to bite the hand who fed you.

In return we had to invade Vietnam, razec a few towns and sink a few Vietnamese ships to teach Vietnam a lesson.

 

[Viva_Viet]

In 1923 Ho was invited to Moscow to attend the Comintern, an organization created by Lenin to promote worldwide revolution. He trained as a Soviet agent, but often was criticized for being a nationalist first and a communist second. He was then sent to China to help establish the Indochina Communist Party with other Vietnamese exiles.

In 1925–1926, he organized "Youth Education Classes" and occasionally gave socialist lectures to Vietnamese revolutionary young people living in Canton at the Whampoa Military Academy. These young people would become the seeds of a new revolutionary, pro-communist movement in Vietnam several years later.

He was jailed in China by Chiang Kai-shek's local authorities before being rescued by Chinese Communists.[1]:198 Following his release in 1943, he returned to Vietnam.

So basically, the Vietnamese communist movement began in China, where Ho was trained. Ho also had a Chinese wife interestingly.

Okay, thats Ho's story before he became VN president, he himself may say thanks to CN. But we r talking abt VN be thankful to CN. Sorry, VN didnt owe CN anything.

VN ppl elected Ho as the president in 1946 and demanded Ho to ask help from Soviet, and Ho came to Soviet and ask help first, not CN, got it?

In 1923 Ho was invited to Moscow to attend the Comintern, an organization created by Lenin to promote worldwide revolution. He trained as a Soviet agent, but often was criticized for being a nationalist first and a communist second. He was then sent to China to help establish the Indochina Communist Party with other Vietnamese exiles.

In 1925–1926, he organized "Youth Education Classes" and occasionally gave socialist lectures to Vietnamese revolutionary young people living in Canton at the Whampoa Military Academy. These young people would become the seeds of a new revolutionary, pro-communist movement in Vietnam several years later.

He was jailed in China by Chiang Kai-shek's local authorities before being rescued by Chinese Communists.[1]:198 Following his release in 1943, he returned to Vietnam.

So basically, the Vietnamese communist movement began in China, where Ho was trained. Ho also had a Chinese wife interestingly.

Okay, thats Ho's story, he himself may say thanks to CN. but we r talking abt VN be thankful to CN. Sorry, VN didnt owe CN anything.

VN ppl elected Ho as the president in 1946 and demand Ho to ask help from Soviet, and Ho came to Soviet and ask help first, not CN, got

You know the reason why there was a split between USSR and PRC? It's precisely because we didn't want to be a Soviet satellite like Vietnam. We helped Vietnam not because Stalin ordered it, Ho Chi Minh requested the help from Mao. And we helped Vietnam out of comraderie, but Vietnam like an ungrateful dog, did not wag its tail back. You tried to bite the hand who fed you.

In return we had to invade Vietnam, razec a few towns and sink a few Vietnamese ships to teach Vietnam a lesson.

Pathetic liar, show me the link Ho asked help from Mao before master Stalin demand servant Mao to come out of the cave to support VN ??

CN is ingrate backstabber to Soviet, thats why u guys r so sick

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In January 1950, Moscow belatedly recognised Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh as the ‘official’ rulers of Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh journeyed to Moscow and sought Soviet military backing for his war of independence against the French. Stalin, whose attentions were concentrated on Europe, rejected his overtures. Instead, Stalin encouraged his communist ally, Mao Zedong, to support the Viet Minh.

https://alphahistory.com/vietnamwar/chinese-and-soviet-involvement/