The Canadian government is considering buying 14 Boeing's P-8A

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Canada Considering P-8A Purchase from Boeing​

Canadian Defence Minister Anita Anand recently traveled to the U.S. to meet with Boeing officials to discuss military programs, and reports suggest topics included the potential sale of 14 P-8A maritime patrol aircraft valued at around CAD9 billion ($6.6 billion). A report from the Ottawa Citizen indicated Anand is pushing for the P-8A deal.

Canada released a Request for Information a year ago for a new Canadian Multi-Mission Aircraft (CMMA) to replace the existing fleet of 14 CP-140 Aurora maritime patrol aircraft. The RFI says project definition will begin in 2025 and implementation will commence in 2029. Initial Operational Capability is slated for 2034, with Full Operational Capability anticipated in 2040. Boeing issued a statement then saying it was offering its P-8A Poseidon for the program. The P-8A is in service with the U.S. Navy and with the armed services of the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, India, Norway, South Korea, and Germany.

Rumors had been stirring for several months that Canada was contemplating a sole-source P-8A acquisition to replace the CP-140s. Officials from Canadian aircraft firm Bombardier have urged the government to hold a competition to replace the Aurora fleet. Bombardier has said its Global 6500 series business jet would be a good fit for the CMMA program, and the company’s president said a Canadian-built option should be in the running to replace the CP-140.

This isn’t the first time Canada has thought about buying P-8As from Boeing. At one point, Ottawa had hoped to begin replacing the CP-140 fleet as early as 2016. At the time, Royal Canadian Air Force officials were clamoring for a fleet of new P-8As, but there simply wasn’t enough funding available for new aircraft. The Department of National Defence ultimately delayed the CP-140 replacement effort and launched a series of upgrades to keep the CP-140s flying into the 2030s.

In 2018, Canada also joined the Maritime Multi-Mission Aircraft (M3A) forum, a NATO effort aimed at sharing resources and knowledge for the development of a new maritime patrol aircraft. However, this move did not commit Canada to a procurement program.

Ottawa very recently had a spat with Boeing after the company claimed the Canadian government was subsidizing Bombardier’s CSeries commercial aircraft. At the time, Canada amended a solicitation for a new fighter jet, for which Boeing was offering its Super Hornet, to penalize any bidder that would harm the country’s economic interests. The amendment was a direct shot at Boeing. Anand’s meeting with Boeing officials suggests both parties may be ready to amend the relationship.

Selecting a new aircraft will require Ottawa to weigh the benefits of the increased capabilities it wants against the cost of a larger platform. The acquisition of new F-35s should be wrapping up by the time procurement of a new maritime patrol aircraft begins, possibly freeing up some funding, but Canada will only be in the early stage of buying costly new frigates. Ottawa has also said it plans to increase defense spending in the wake of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, but the government hasn’t outlined where most of that money will go.

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[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Let's propose the Sea Sultan. For the kicks and the giggles. @SQ8

 

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Canada Considering P-8A Purchase from Boeing​

Canadian Defence Minister Anita Anand recently traveled to the U.S. to meet with Boeing officials to discuss military programs, and reports suggest topics included the potential sale of 14 P-8A maritime patrol aircraft valued at around CAD9 billion ($6.6 billion). A report from the Ottawa Citizen indicated Anand is pushing for the P-8A deal.

Canada released a Request for Information a year ago for a new Canadian Multi-Mission Aircraft (CMMA) to replace the existing fleet of 14 CP-140 Aurora maritime patrol aircraft. The RFI says project definition will begin in 2025 and implementation will commence in 2029. Initial Operational Capability is slated for 2034, with Full Operational Capability anticipated in 2040. Boeing issued a statement then saying it was offering its P-8A Poseidon for the program. The P-8A is in service with the U.S. Navy and with the armed services of the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, India, Norway, South Korea, and Germany.

Rumors had been stirring for several months that Canada was contemplating a sole-source P-8A acquisition to replace the CP-140s. Officials from Canadian aircraft firm Bombardier have urged the government to hold a competition to replace the Aurora fleet. Bombardier has said its Global 6500 series business jet would be a good fit for the CMMA program, and the company’s president said a Canadian-built option should be in the running to replace the CP-140.

This isn’t the first time Canada has thought about buying P-8As from Boeing. At one point, Ottawa had hoped to begin replacing the CP-140 fleet as early as 2016. At the time, Royal Canadian Air Force officials were clamoring for a fleet of new P-8As, but there simply wasn’t enough funding available for new aircraft. The Department of National Defence ultimately delayed the CP-140 replacement effort and launched a series of upgrades to keep the CP-140s flying into the 2030s.

In 2018, Canada also joined the Maritime Multi-Mission Aircraft (M3A) forum, a NATO effort aimed at sharing resources and knowledge for the development of a new maritime patrol aircraft. However, this move did not commit Canada to a procurement program.

Ottawa very recently had a spat with Boeing after the company claimed the Canadian government was subsidizing Bombardier’s CSeries commercial aircraft. At the time, Canada amended a solicitation for a new fighter jet, for which Boeing was offering its Super Hornet, to penalize any bidder that would harm the country’s economic interests. The amendment was a direct shot at Boeing. Anand’s meeting with Boeing officials suggests both parties may be ready to amend the relationship.

Selecting a new aircraft will require Ottawa to weigh the benefits of the increased capabilities it wants against the cost of a larger platform. The acquisition of new F-35s should be wrapping up by the time procurement of a new maritime patrol aircraft begins, possibly freeing up some funding, but Canada will only be in the early stage of buying costly new frigates. Ottawa has also said it plans to increase defense spending in the wake of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, but the government hasn’t outlined where most of that money will go.

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wow - alot more than the UK!!!! UK needs to order way more - we are surrounded by water!

 

[SQ8]

Let's propose the Sea Sultan. For the kicks and the giggles. @SQ8

Technically, Bombardier could have done so had it not divested the A220.

 

[Skull and Bones]

I’m sure India will be going for 8-12 more P-8i

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Technically, Bombardier could have done so had it not divested the A220.

Yep. That said, I think Canada would've probably gone for the P-8A regardless. There's an obvious shift towards building interoperability across the 5 Eyes -- i.e., F-35A/B, P-8A, C-130J-30, and MH-60R all the way.

However, I am surprised at how Europe hasn't moved the needle on an A320-based MPA. The expertise to do it clearly exists (as the PN is using only a fraction of it to get the Sea Sultan done via Leonardo and Paramount).

 

[SQ8]

I’m sure India will be going for 8-12 more P-8i

With their operating costs and capabilities it makes a lot of sense. There is a massive coastline which the planned SOSUS simply cannot handle and both blue ocean and littoral threats which the current fleet really isn’t sufficient for.
India may be number 18 on the list but that belies the nature of its coasts and their associated deeper waters which vary quite a bit. By contrast even though Greece has a little more coast, it’s pretty mundane(in terms of the types of oceanfront and sea states it faces) for the most part unless @Foinikas disagrees.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

With their operating costs and capabilities it makes a lot of sense. There is a massive coastline which the planned SOSUS simply cannot handle and both blue ocean and littoral threats which the current fleet really isn’t sufficient for.
India may be number 18 on the list but that belies the nature of its coasts and their associated deeper waters which vary quite a bit. By contrast even though Greece has a little more coast, it’s pretty mundane(in terms of the types of oceanfront and sea states it faces) for the most part unless @Foinikas disagrees.

The PN has a requirement for 10 Sea Sultan LRMPAs. This too could also grow. So, it's bonkers to think about South Asia alone having some 30-40 full-sized airliner-based LRMPAs split between just 2 countries. If we add America's force-projection presence, then we're looking at 50+ LRMPAs in the Arabian Sea and Indian Ocean (not including any LRMPA investments from Qatar, UAE, KSA, etc).

 

[Foinikas]

India may be number 18 on the list but that belies the nature of its coasts and their associated deeper waters which vary quite a bit. By contrast even though Greece has a little more coast, it’s pretty mundane(in terms of the types of oceanfront and sea states it faces) for the most part unless @Foinikas disagrees.

Yeah it's not an ocean.

 

[Skull and Bones]

With their operating costs and capabilities it makes a lot of sense. There is a massive coastline which the planned SOSUS simply cannot handle and both blue ocean and littoral threats which the current fleet really isn’t sufficient for.
India may be number 18 on the list but that belies the nature of its coasts and their associated deeper waters which vary quite a bit. By contrast even though Greece has a little more coast, it’s pretty mundane(in terms of the types of oceanfront and sea states it faces) for the most part unless @Foinikas disagrees.

And Indian Navy is integrating the newly acquired MQ-9B with the P-8i's.

 

[SQ8]

And Indian Navy is integrating the newly acquired MQ-9B with the P-8i's.

To cover the coastlines and tackle everything from both state threats and even smuggling that has a big impact on slowing down the growth goals of the Indian economy which the Indian coast guard is simply ill equipped to handle on its own.