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‘The Beautiful Tree: Indigenous Indian Education in the Eighteenth Century’
Dr. Mrunalini Newalkar

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Background:

Prior to 1770, the British, on whose writings and reports this book is primarily based, were interested in mercantile, technological fields, or were concerned with comprehending, and evaluating Indian statecraft; and, thereby, extending their influence and dominion in India. Indian religions, philosophies, scholarship and the extent of education had scarcely interested them until then. Such a lack of interest was due partly to their different expectations from India, on the basis of their own background.

Earlier in England, education was not meant for all; only the gentlemen’s children were meant to have the knowledge of Government and rule in the Commonwealth. By the end of 17th Century, some Charity Schools were set up for the commoners, to provide ‘some leverage in the way of general education to raise the labouring class to the level of religious instruction’. These were succeeded by the Sunday schools, and eventually day schools. Nevertheless, even as late as 1834, ‘the curriculum in the better class of national schools was limited in the main to religious instruction, reading, writing and arithmetic: in some country schools writing was excluded for fear of evil consequences.’

In these schools, too, attendance and retention were grave challenges. Another problem was that of quantity and quality of teachers. It was on this background that the scholars of 16th and 17th Century started understanding various aspects of the Eastern civilizations. The British also started getting acquainted with Sanskrit and Persian themselves, so as to able to discover better, or to discard, choose, or select what suited their purpose the most.

British Approaches to Indian Knowledge Systems:

Three approaches (seemingly different but in reality complementary to one another) began to operate in the British held areas of India regarding Indian knowledge, scholarship and centres of learning from about the 1770s.

  1. Political and Social legitimacy: This resulted from growing British power and administrative requirements which also needed to provide a garb of legitimacy and a background of previous indigenous precedents (however far-fetched) to the new concepts, laws and procedures which were being created by the British state. It is primarily this requirement which gave birth to British Indology. This is why only a few things were highlighted, and most were left unattended to decay.
  2. Preservation of Knowledge Bank: This group had a fear, born out of historical experience, philosophical observation and reflection (the uprooting of entire civilizations in the Americas (North AND South)), that the conquest and defeat of a civilization generally led not only to its disintegration, but the disappearance of precious knowledge associated with it. They advocated, therefore, the preparation of a written record of what existed, and what could be got from the learned in places like Varanasi.
  3. Spread of Christianity: The third approach to bring people to an institutionalized, formal, law-abiding Christianity and, for that some literacy and teaching became essential. To achieve such a purpose in India, and to assist evangelical exhortation and propaganda for extending Christian ‘light’ and ‘knowledge’ to the people, preparation of the grammars of various Indian languages became urgent. The task according to William Wilberforce, called for ‘the circulation of the holy scriptures in the native languages’ with a view to the general diffusion of Christianity, so that the Indians ‘would, in short become Christians, if I may so express myself, without knowing it.’
All these efforts, joined together, also led to the founding of a few British sponsored Sanskrit and Persian colleges as well as to the publication of some Indian texts or selections from them which suited the purpose of governance. From then on, Christian missionaries also began to open schools.

British interest was not centred on the people, their knowledge, or education, or the lack of it. Rather, their interest in ancient Indian texts served their purpose: that of making the people conform to what was chosen for them from such texts and their new interpretations.

The idea of conversion was used also to establish a certain affinity of outlook and belief between the rulers and the ruled. But, the primary consideration in all British decisions from the very beginning, continued to be the aim of maximizing the revenue receipts of Government and of discovering any possible new source which had remained exempted from paying any revenue to Government.


Traditional Indian Education Systems:

It is important to emphasize that indigenous education was carried out through pathshalas, madrassahs and gurukulas. Education in these traditional institutions, which were actually kept alive by revenue contributions by the community including illiterate peasants, was called shiksha (and included the ideas of prajna (your own intellectual capacity), shil (character building) and samadhi (reaching a higher plane)). Therefore, the term ‘school’ is a weak translation of the roles these institutions really played in Indian society.

Dharampal explains the situations in Bengal, Bihar, Madras, Bombay, and Punjab Presidencies using various kinds of Reports by William Adam, a former Christian missionary, published extracts of a surveys made by the British authorities regarding indigenous education, etc.

Adam in 1830, reports that there are about 1, 00, 000 schools in Bengal and Bihar, which is almost a school per village and more if the village is bigger. Situation was almost the same for Bombay, Madras and Punjab Presidencies. These surveys, based not on mere impressions but on hard data, reveal a great deal: the nature of Indian education; its content; the duration for which it ordinarily lasted; the numbers actually receiving institutional education in particular areas; and, most importantly, detailed information on the background of those benefiting from these institutions. The idea of a school existing in every village, dramatic and picturesque in itself, attracted great notice and eclipsed the equally important details. The more detailed and hard facts have received hardly any notice or analysis.

Specialties of Indian Education System:

In terms of the content, and proportion of those attending institutional school education, the situation in India was better than that in England; and in many respects Indian schooling seems to have been much more extensive (and, it should be remembered, that it is a greatly damaged and disorganised India that one is referring to).

The content of studies was better than what was then studied in England. The duration of study was more prolonged. The method of school teaching was superior. School attendance was proportionately far higher than the numbers in all variety of schools in England in 1800. The conditions under which teaching took place in the Indian schools were less dingy and more natural; and, it was observed, the teachers in the Indian schools were generally more dedicated and sober than in the English versions.

The only aspect, and certainly a very important one, where Indian institutional education seems to have lagged behind was with regard to the education of girls. Accounts of education in India do often state (though it is difficult to judge their substantive accuracy from the data which is so far known), that the absence of girls in schools was explained, however, by the fact that most of their education took place in the home.

The data reveals the background of the teachers and the taught. It presents a picture which is in sharp contrast to the various scholarly pronouncements of the past 100 years or more, in which it had been assumed that education of any sort in India, till very recent decades, was mostly limited to the twice-born amongst the Hindus, and amongst the Muslims to those from the ruling elite.

The actual situation which is revealed was different, if not quite contrary, for at least amongst the Hindus. It was the groups termed Shudras, and the castes considered below them who predominated in the thousands of the then still-existing schools in practically each of these areas.

Details of Indian Educational System:

Dharampal notes the details of the number of schools and colleges in the districts, and the number of male and female scholars in them. The number of scholars, male as well as female were further divided under the following categories: Brahmin scholars, Vaishya scholars, Shudra scholars, Scholars of all other castes and Muslim scholars. He also notes the age of admission for various caste groups, different mediums, school schedules and books studied.

It seems that the school functioned for fairly long hours: usually starting about 6 A.M., followed by one or two short intervals for meals, etc., and finishing at about sunset, or even later. The main subjects reported to be taught in these Indian schools were reading, writing and arithmetic. The following list of books used in the schools of Bellary may be worth noting as an example, and may to some degree indicate the content of learning in these schools. The list is obviously not comprehensive.

Most commonly used were books like Ramayana, Mahabharata, Bhagavata, etc. Books like Nagalingayna-Kutha, Vishvakurma-Poorana, Kumalesherra Kalikamahata, etc. were used by children from Manufacturing Classes, Lingayat children studied additional books like Buwapoorana, Raghavan-Kunkauya, Geeruja Kullana, Unbhavamoorta, Chenna-Busavaswara-Poorana, Gurilagooloo, etc. Light Literature included Panchatantra, Bhatalapunchavunsatee, Punklee-soopooktahuller, Mahantarungenee, etc. The students used Dictionaries and Grammars like Nighantoo, Umara, Subdamumburee, Shubdeemunee-Durpana, Vyakarana, Andradeepeca, etc.

In most areas, the Brahmin scholars formed a very small proportion of those studying in schools. Higher learning, however, being more in the nature of professional specialisation, seems in the main to have been limited to the Brahmins. This was especially true regarding the disciplines of Theology, Metaphysics, Ethics, and to a large extent of the study of Law. But the disciplines of Astronomy and Medical Science seem to have been studied by scholars from a variety of backgrounds and castes. Amongst them, the barbers, according to British medical men, were the best in Surgery.

It may not be too erroneous to assume that the number of those ‘privately’ studying Theology, Law, Astronomy, Metaphysics, Ethics, Poetry and Literature, Medical Science, Music, and Dance (all of which existed in this period) was perhaps several times the number of those who were receiving such education institutionally.

A striking point from his broader survey is the wide social strata to which both the taught and the teachers in the elementary schools belonged. It is true that the greater proportion of the teachers came from the Kayasthas, Brahmins, Sadgop and Aguri castes. Yet, quite a number came from 30 other caste groups also, and even the Chandals had 6 teachers. The elementary school students present an even greater variety, and it seems as if every caste group is represented in the student population, the Brahmins and the Kayasthas nowhere forming more than 40% of the total. In the two Bihar districts, together they formed no more than 15 to 16%.

Another was the sheer variety of subjects, ranging from Grammar, Logic, Law, and Astrology, to Literature, Mythology, Lexicology, Medicine, Rhetoric, Vedanta, Mimamsa, Tantra, Samkhya, etc. Duration of study and the age of starting varied greatly according to the subjects. The study of Grammar started at the earliest age (9 to 12 years) and of Law, Mythology, Tantras, etc. after the age of 20. The period of study ordinarily lasted from about 7 to 15 years. Finally, as far as age of the teachers was concerned, they were mostly in their thirties.

Technologies, Arts, and Crafts:

Dharampal notes that while there is much on the question of higher learning, especially of Theology, Law, Medicine, Astronomy, and Astrology, there is scarcely any reference to the teaching and training in the scores of technologies, and crafts which had then existed in India. There is also little mention of training in Music, and Dance. These latter two, it may be presumed, were largely taken care of by the complex temple organisations.

The major cause of the lack of reference about the former, however, is obviously because those who wrote on education were themselves uninterested in how such crafts were taught, or passed from one generation to another. Yet another cause for the lack of information on the teaching of techniques and crafts may possibly lie in the fact that ordinarily in India most crafts were basically learnt in the home. What was termed apprenticeship in Britain, was more informal in India, the parents usually being the teachers and the children the learners.

Another reason might have been that particular technologies or crafts, even like the profession of the digging of tanks, or the transportation of commodities were the function of particular specialist groups, some of them operating in most parts of India, while others in particular regions, and therefore any formal teaching and training in them must have been a function of such groups themselves. We’ve always had super-specializations.

Some of such super-specialized technical crafts as noted by the author are Stone-cutters, Wood cutters, Marble mine workers, Bamboo cutters, Chuna makers, Tank diggers, Sawyers, Brick-layers, Iron ore collectors, Copper-smiths, Iron manufacturers, Lead washers, Iron forge operators, Gold dust collectors, Iron furnaces operators, Iron-smiths, Workers of smelted metal, Gold-smiths, Horse-shoe makers, Brass-smiths, Cotton cleaners, Fine cloth weavers, Cotton beaters, Coarse cloth weavers, Cotton carders, Chintz weavers, Silk makers, Carpet weavers, Spinners, carpet weavers, Cot tape weavers, Cotton spinners, Cumblee weavers, Chay thread makers, Thread purdah weavers, Chay root diggers (a dye), Gunny weavers, Rungruaze or dyers, Pariah weavers, Indigo maker, Mussalman weavers, Barber, general Weavers, Dyers in indigo, Boyah weavers, Loom makers, Smooth and glaze cloth men, Silk weavers, preparers of earth for bangles, Salt makers, Bangle makers, Earth salt manufacturers, Paper makers, Salt-petre makers, Fire-works makers, Arrack distillers, Oilmen, Collectors of drugs and roots, Soap makers, Utar makers, Druggists, Boat-men, Sandal makers, Fishermen, Umbrella makers, Rice-beaters, Shoe makers, Toddy makers, Pen painters, Preparers of earth, Mat makers, Washermen, Carpenters, Dubbee makers, Barbers, Winding instrument makers, Tailors, Seal makers, Basket makers, Chucklers, Mat makers, etc. to name a few.

Fall of Traditional Indian Education System:

The conditions and arrangements which alone could have made such a vast system of education feasible is obviously the very sophisticated operative de-centralized fiscal arrangements of the pre-British Indian polity. Through these fiscal measures, substantial proportions of revenue had long been assigned for the performance of a multiplicity of public purposes. These seem to have stayed more or less intact through all the previous political turmoil and made such education possible.

The collapse of this arrangement through a total centralization of revenue, as well as politics led to decay in the economy, social life, education, etc. Such a decay might have been inevitable; perhaps, even necessary, and to be deliberately induced. For instance, Karl Marx, as such no friend of imperialism or capitalism, writing in 1853 was of the view, that, ‘England has to fulfill a double mission in India: one destructive, the other regenerating—the annihilation of the old Asiatic society, and the laying of the material foundation of Western society in Asia.’

While the limitless British hunger for revenue starved the Indian system of the very resources which it required to survive; its cultural and religious content and structure provoked deliberate attempts aimed at its total extermination. It was imperative to somehow uproot the Indian indigenous system for the relatively undisturbed maintenance and continuance of British rule.

The remaining work of denunciation of anything and everything related to Indian civilization was completed by James Mill in his three-volume History of British India, published in 1817. He was certain that Indians were barbarous in terms of customs, manners, and civilization and they could be made civilized by discarding their Indian-ness and by adopting Christianity. They needed to feel ‘indebted to our beneficence and wisdom for advantages they are to receive’; and, in like manner, ‘feel solely indebted to our protection for the countenance and enjoyment of them’ before they could even qualify for being considered as civilized.

Given such complete agreement on the nature of Indian culture and institutions, it was inevitable that because of its crucial social and cultural role, Indian education fared as it did. To speed up its demise, it not only had to be ridiculed and despised, but steps also had to be taken so that it was starved out of its resource base. True, as far as the known record can tell, no direct dismantling or shutting up of each and every institution was resorted to, or any other more drastic physical measures taken to achieve this demise. Such steps were unnecessary; the reason being that the fiscal steps together with ridicule, performed the task far more effectively.

Impacts of the Fall of Traditional Indian Education System:

The neglect and deliberate uprooting of Indian education, had several consequences for India. To begin with, it led to an obliteration of literacy and knowledge of such dimensions amongst the Indian people that recent attempts at universal literacy and education have so far been unable to make an appreciable dent in it.

Next, it destroyed the Indian social balance in which, traditionally, persons from all sections of society appear to have been able to receive fairly competent schooling. It is this destruction along with similar damage in the economic sphere which led to great deterioration in the status and socio-economic conditions and personal dignity of those who are now known as the scheduled castes; and to only a slightly lesser extent to that of the vast peasant majority encompassed by the term ‘backward castes’. The recent movements embracing these sections, to a great extent, seem to be aimed at restoring this basic Indian social balance.

And most importantly, till today it has kept most educated Indians ignorant of the society they live in, the culture which sustains this society, and their fellow beings; and more tragically, yet, for over a century it has induced a lack of confidence, and loss of bearing amongst the people of India in general.


To conclude in the words of Dharampal, “what India possessed in the sphere of education two centuries ago and the factors which led to its decay and replacement are indeed a part of history. Even if the former could be brought back to life, in the context of today, or of the immediate future, many aspects of it would no longer be apposite. Yet what exists today has little relevance either. An understanding of what existed and of the processes which created the irrelevance India is burdened with today, in time, could help generate what best suits India’s requirements and the ethos of her people.”


Continued in the next part.

The complete collection can be accessed at-

https://archive.org/details/DharampalCollectedWritingsIn5Volumes
 
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Dr. Mrunalini Newalkar

Has a brilliant academic career, with Gold Medals at both Graduate and Post-graduate levels. She has more than five years of Post-graduate teaching and research experience. An ardent fan of Puranic Literature, she has completed her M Phil and PhD in Puranic Theology. She assists eminent authors with research and also works with media houses on various projects pertaining to Indian Culture and Mythology. She is currently working as Research Editor at Indic Today.

When the british left, India's literacy was 12%.

Three of Biggest Hindu Civilisational mistakes -

1. Left our primary education in hands of Christians,
2. Left our history in hands of Communists
3. Left our entertainment in hands of Islamists

And by the looks of it, there is not much scope of Modi changing ANY one of this. So much for "hindutva".
 
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Three of Biggest Hindu Civilisational mistakes -

1. Left our primary education in hands of Christians,
2. Left our history in hands of Communists
3. Left our entertainment in hands of Islamists

Yeah, the Commies, the Muzzies and the Bible followers are responsible for the suicide of the Dalit scholar Rohith Vemula.
 
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Yeah, the Commies, the Muzzies and the Bible followers are responsible for the suicide of the Dalit scholar Rohith Vemula.

Did you say "Suicide" ?

Suicide defined as the act of intentionally causing one's own death.

Primary Reasons being one or more of the following - Mental disorders, including depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, personality disorders, anxiety disorders, and substance abuse—including alcoholism and the use of benzodiazepines


Also his father stated on record that he was NOT a Dalit. He got FAKE documents made and he STOLE the seat from some deserving Dalit Student.
 
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Suicide defined as the act of intentionally causing one's own death.

Primary Reasons being one or more of the following - Mental disorders, including depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, personality disorders, anxiety disorders, and substance abuse—including alcoholism and the use of benzodiazepines

What about the feeling of being trapped and harassed without a solution in sight ??

What would you say about the suicides of 300,000+ Indian farmers between 1995 and 2015 and countless before and many after ??

And those of other Indian students, say in that coaching center ridden town of Kota ??

Also his father stated on record that he was NOT a Dalit. He got FAKE documents made

I believe his mother was a Dalit and he was staying with his mother.

Edit : From Wikipedia :
Vemula's mother, Radhika Vemula, is said to be a Dalit by birth, who had been adopted by a Vaddera family, an Other Backward Class (OBC) in India's system of reservation. It is reported that Radhika was treated differently from the rest of her adoptive family because of her caste. A witness also said that she was abused by her husband, Rohith's father. Rohith's own distress in seeing his mother abused and treated as inferior was made clear to his friends. His political activities, based on his and his mother's experiences, suggested that he identified as a Dalit, and was advocating for Dalit rights

@The_Showstopper, any more info on this ??

and he STOLE the seat from some deserving Dalit Student.

So you are giving out empathy for Dalits, eh ??

The traditional Indian education system you so happily describe, why hasn't it brought enlightenment these 200 years later so as to rid educated India of anti-Dalit prejudice in schools, workplaces etc ??
 
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nope Indians submitting to english way of life is downfall hence colonial mentality sharab, prostition, riba etc.
 
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Here is an example of how Indians of all shade and color have been "Christianized" without realizing it.

All India Institute of Ayurveda in New Delhi, is a research based institute set up by Ayush ministry to parallel All India Institute of Medical Sciences. Yet it is denied opportunity to treat Corona Patients though it is ready & confident of its potential.

Ayurveda has been denied role in tackling Corona Virus.

Ayurveda has immunity-boosting measures like Chyawanaprasha (Amla as main content), Anu Taila, and Sanshamani Vati (prepared from Guduchi). These formulations can help support the health of our frontline CoVid warriors.

Dr. Vaidya Tanuja Nesari is the Director of All India Institute of Ayurveda,


What about the feeling of being trapped and harassed without a solution in sight ??

What would you say about the suicides of 300,000+ Indian farmers between 1995 and 2015 and countless before and many after ??

And those of other Indian students, say in that coaching center ridden town of Kota ??

Open a new thread to discuss these issues. Do not attempt to derail the thread due to your BUTT HURT.


I believe his mother was a Dalit and he was staying with his mother.

Edit : From Wikipedia :

@The_Showstopper, any more info on this ??

His mother converted to xtiantiy, so she was cearly NOT a Dalit.


So you are giving out empathy for Dalits, eh ??

The traditional Indian education system you so happily describe, why hasn't it brought enlightenment these 200 years later so as to rid educated India of anti-Dalit prejudice in schools, workplaces etc ??

Let me repeat for repost the article,

"It was the groups termed Shudras, and the castes considered below them who predominated in the thousands of the then still-existing schools in practically each of these areas."

It was the BRITISH who forcibly introduced the CASTE system in India and super imposed VARNA on JAATHI. Created the "dalit" class and Classified them along with "criminal tribes" of India.


nope Indians submitting to english way of life is downfall hence colonial mentality sharab, prostition, riba etc.

The vast majority of Indians DID NOT Submit to the english way of life.

Only the british boot-lickers and admirers did.

Motilal Nehru (Nehru's FATHER) and his family

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Jawaharlal Nehru,

Motilal_Nehru_with_his_family_in_England.jpg



Jinnah,

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they funny thing is those that live abroad dont follow but those back home dream to be like it

Here is an example of how Indians of all shade and color have been "Christianized" without realizing it.

All India Institute of Ayurveda in New Delhi, is a research based institute set up by Ayush ministry to parallel All India Institute of Medical Sciences. Yet it is denied opportunity to treat Corona Patients though it is ready & confident of its potential.

Ayurveda has been denied role in tackling Corona Virus.

Ayurveda has immunity-boosting measures like Chyawanaprasha (Amla as main content), Anu Taila, and Sanshamani Vati (prepared from Guduchi). These formulations can help support the health of our frontline CoVid warriors.

Dr. Vaidya Tanuja Nesari is the Director of All India Institute of Ayurveda,




Open a new thread to discuss these issues. Do not attempt to derail the thread due to your BUTT HURT.




His mother converted to xtiantiy, so she was cearly NOT a Dalit.




Let me repeat for repost the article,

"It was the groups termed Shudras, and the castes considered below them who predominated in the thousands of the then still-existing schools in practically each of these areas."

It was the BRITISH who forcibly introduced the CASTE system in India and super imposed VARNA on JAATHI. Created the "dalit" class and Classified them along with "criminal tribes" of India.




The vast majority of Indians DID NOT Submit to the english way of life.

Only the british boot-lickers and admirers did.

Motilal Nehru (Nehru's FATHER) and his family

65398329.cms



Jawaharlal Nehru,

Motilal_Nehru_with_his_family_in_England.jpg



Jinnah,

585f6b7c7a7c0.jpg

India as a whole does have prostitution, riba imf loans, sharabis, etc cant blame muslims.
 
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3. Left our entertainment in hands of Islamists

are you asserting that tablighi jamaat is making bollywood movies after colonial brits left india? and you want yogi adityanath to take over this business?

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regards

Ayurveda has immunity-boosting measures like Chyawanaprasha (Amla as main content), Anu Taila, and Sanshamani Vati (prepared from Guduchi). These formulations can help support the health of our frontline CoVid warriors.

you missed gau mutra as antidote of COVID-19

regards
 
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India as a whole does have prostitution, riba imf loans, sharabis, etc cant blame muslims.

Prostitution should be given legal protection like it used to be in the past. Arthashastra provides how the state used to provide protection to them and minimally tax them.

Denying people choice is not the Hindu way of life. I am blaming them for the choices they have made and continue to make under an education system that turn them into unknowing xtians.

are you asserting that tablighi jamaat is making bollywood movies after colonial brits left india? and you want yogi adityanath to take over this business?

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regards

you missed gau mutra as antidote of COVID-19

regards

Uttar Pradesh govt had terminated services of 4000 teachers after an inquiry found that fake certificates of B.Ed.&TET were submitted.

Of them, 2000 teachers had approached the high court which today said govt was right in terminating them: Basic Education Minister Satish Dwivedi



“colonialism is not merely about conquering territories, ruling over people and extracting revenues. It is a far more inhuman process, involving violence of all sorts: from the purely physical to the purely psychic. Colonialism alters the way we look at the world and, with sheer violence, displaces native ways of experiencing the world.”
 
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Open a new thread to discuss these issues. Do not attempt to derail the thread due to your BUTT HURT.

I will remind you that it was you who gave out a pretentious definition of suicide. I merely corrected you.

Your thread OP is a fantasy that doesn't reflect the oppressive reality of India then and also India now.

His mother converted to xtiantiy, so she was cearly NOT a Dalit.

From Wikipedia page about her :
On 14 April 2016, on Ambedkar Jayanti, Radhika Vemula, and her son Raja converted to Buddhism in Mumbai, Maharashtra


And from the first reference link in the Wikipedia page :
A bunch of activists have dropped by with a lawyer. They declare that they are filing a private complaint against the university in court. “You do have an SC [Scheduled Caste] certificate, don’t you?” one of them asks.

Radhika offers a curt nod as reply to them, and continues speaking to people around her.


Let me repeat for repost the article,

"It was the groups termed Shudras, and the castes considered below them who predominated in the thousands of the then still-existing schools in practically each of these areas."

It was the BRITISH who forcibly introduced the CASTE system in India and super imposed VARNA on JAATHI. Created the "dalit" class and Classified them along with "criminal tribes" of India.

Again, fantasy.

I will post a paragraph from the first link in the mother's Wikipedia page :
It is during his graduation, Sujatha said, that Rohith first encountered his Dalit identity – and discrimination. Same was the experience of Raja and other Dalit students in their respective colleges. It is not as if they had gone to all-Dalit schools, but because schools were in near-by localities, children happened to be from similar backgrounds. But the caste became a reality to contend with by college. Raja’s tuition teacher wouldn’t touch the glass in which Raja had water, Sujatha said. The teacher would move it with a pen.
So all this discrimination was the result of Britishers and before them and the "Islamist" invaders India was a harmonious welfare "country" with empathy and kindness being the main traits of every person ??

Let me tell you what a former Mallu colleague told me. Once I was interviewing a woman for a company position and her surname was Nambuthiri. After the interview when the woman had left and me and my Mallu colleague were talking he said that he was from a lower-caste and in the old days when Nambuthiri people passed by on the road, my colleague's caste people had to get off the road and make a subservient gesture until the Nambuthiri had passed. Was this caste discrimination also somehow connected with the Britishers even though the Britishers didn't have direct rule in Kerala ??

The vast majority of Indians DID NOT Submit to the english way of life.

Only the british boot-lickers and admirers did.

Motilal Nehru (Nehru's FATHER) and his family

What about Sanghi, Savarkar, who pledged unwavering loyalty to the Britishers ??
 
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Ayurveda has been denied role in tackling Corona Virus.

Ayurveda has immunity-boosting measures like Chyawanaprasha (Amla as main content), Anu Taila, and Sanshamani Vati (prepared from Guduchi). These formulations can help support the health of our frontline CoVid warriors.

Dr. Vaidya Tanuja Nesari is the Director of All India Institute of Ayurveda,

There are so many videos of ayurveda cures for Corona virus.

 
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I will remind you that it was you who gave out a pretentious definition of suicide. I merely corrected you.

Do you even know what "Pretentious" mean ? Don't use big words and end up making a fool of yourself.

I gave the dictionary definition of Suicide.


Your thread OP is a fantasy that doesn't reflect the oppressive reality of India then and also India now.

From Wikipedia page about her :

And from the first reference link in the Wikipedia page :

Again, fantasy.

I will post a paragraph from the first link in the mother's Wikipedia page :

Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source for anything serious.

Probe by the judicial commission concluded that Rohit was neither a dalit nor did he commit suicide due to University action.

Repeating a lie 100 times does not make it true.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...commission-scheduled-caste-1029836-2017-08-16

...evidence on record shows that Radhika Vemula, Rohith's mother, belongs to Vaddera community and therefore, the Scheduled Caste certificate issued to Rohith cannot be called genuine."


So all this discrimination was the result of Britishers and before them and the "Islamist" invaders India was a harmonious welfare "country" with empathy and kindness being the main traits of every person ??

The thread is about EDUCATION. Not "empathy and kindness".


Let me tell you what a former Mallu colleague told me. Once I was interviewing a woman for a company position and her surname was Nambuthiri. After the interview when the woman had left and me and my Mallu colleague were talking he said that he was from a lower-caste and in the old days when Nambuthiri people passed by on the road, my colleague's caste people had to get off the road and make a subservient gesture until the Nambuthiri had passed. Was this caste discrimination also somehow connected with the Britishers even though the Britishers didn't have direct rule in Kerala ??

I was told by a former socialist muslim colleague that in the old days Muslims used to kidnap hindu girls and sell them as slaves or keep them as slaves. Destroy Hindu temples, kill hindu priests, and torture Hindus people for fun. Was this bigotry and discrimination connected with the british ?

What about Savarkar who pledged unwavering loyalty to the Britishers ??

Open a new thread on savarkar or use Burnol for your burning @ss.

There are so many videos of ayurveda cures for Corona virus.


Is that a video of you drinking something to cure corona virus ?

Here is another one,

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1662831/offbeat

Iranian Islamic medicine ‘specialist’ claims camel urine cures coronavirus infections
 
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