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The Balti Village of Turtuk in India.

Damn you're slow lol. This girl that I'm talking to is from Peshawar. -___-

oh that Pakistani actress Noor who appeared on Nadia Khan show and I think is married to some Indian Hindu guy in Dubai? Uff Ho Hindustani, who told u that Noor is from Peshawar? She is Punjabi I think and she is also from that area.
 
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oh that Pakistani actress Noor who appeared on Nadia Khan show and I think is married to some Indian Hindu guy in Dubai? Uff Ho Hindustani, who told u that Noor is from Peshawar? She is Punjabi I think and she is also from that area.

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ok, is it something bad? U can give me the link, Now I am curious. By the way I always wanted to ask you who are Dogras? There is a wikipedia article on Dogras but it is confusing. Dogras speak Punjabi, so aren't they just Punjabis?
 
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Baltis are tibetan people with Dardic admixture, they are not related to Tajiks.
 
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ok, is it something bad? U can give me the link, Now I am curious. By the way I always wanted to ask you who are Dogras? There is a wikipedia article on Dogras but it is confusing. Dogras speak Punjabi, so aren't they just Punjabis?


Naw nothing bad, I just don't want people getting in my business.

Dogras are mainly Hindu Rajputs that migrated toward northern India of Jammu & Kashmir, Himachal Pradesh and some are also found throughout Punjab and Haryana. And Dogras speak Dogri, one of the official languages of India.
 
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Tuttuk was under Pakistani control before 1971.

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Kids at Turtuk mosque

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The rickety staircase at Turtuk mosque

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TURTUK was well inside Pakistan before 1971 war...check the history all these villages belong to Pakistan before 1971 later they change the cease fire line of 1949 to line of control of Shimla agreement.
 
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ok, is it something bad? U can give me the link, Now I am curious. By the way I always wanted to ask you who are Dogras? There is a wikipedia article on Dogras but it is confusing. Dogras speak Punjabi, so aren't they just Punjabis?

I am a Dogra Rajput...Dogras are people from Jammu and Himachal and some even live in Punjab.They speak Dogri which is 80% Punjabi...Although the Himachali Dogri is different to Jammu Dogri...Culture,Food and Language is very similar to Punjab.
 
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^^ Is Dogar anyway related to Dogra's :undecided:

Turtuk is in Nubra Valley and it's a high altitude desert (Average hieght 10000 ft.)





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Beautiful people

where are they located, Kashmir, Ladakh or Himachal
they are in ladakh , kargil and Gilgit baltistan

The Balti are an ethnic group of Tibetan descent . they speak balti language
The balti language is a Tibetic language spoken in baltistan division of Gilgit-Baltistan, Pakistan, and adjoining parts of ladakh and kargil.

It shares up to 90% of the vocabulary with the neighbouring ladakhi as well as with amdo and kham dialect of northeastern tibet.

They look like Tajiks.
they have no relation with tajiks ....
they speak dialect of tibetan language
and they are tibetan descents
and they are in your country too

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October 13, 2018 16:27 IST
Updated: October 14, 2018 12:23 IST

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Yabgo Mohammad Khan Kacho, a descendent of the Yabgo dynasty | Photo Credit: Archita Suryanarayanan

Today, the lives of its people, the culture, and Balti history is being documented in a quiet way by the residents

Along the steep, labyrinthine streets of Turtuk village, a perennial stream gushes. It rushes past stone-walled houses with colourful wooden doors down to fields of buckwheat and barley hemmed in by the jagged Karakoram mountains. In one corner of the village, I meet a group of elders immersed in conversation as they prepare to set out for their evening namaz. They tell me the unique story of their citizenship: after Partition, those born before 1947 went from being Indian to being Pakistani; then after the 1971 war they went back to being Indian — all this without ever having moved from their homes in this small village in north-eastern Ladakh.

Some 300 families live in this ‘border village’ right on the boundary of the Pakistan-occupied region of Gilgit-Baltistan. Turtuk is just 10 km away from Thang, India’s northern-most village. While the other parts of Ladakh have a strong Buddhist and Tibetan influence, this region has a distinct Balti Muslim culture. And today, the lives of these people, their everyday culture, and the local Balti history is being documented in a quiet way by the residents of Turtuk.

I walk up the creaky wooden ladder of a low-ceilinged stone house to meet 70-year-old Mohammad Ali. Ali has transformed a part of his house into a museum called the Balti Heritage Site. The house, he says, was built in the 15th century, when the village was first established.

Yeh ginti mein nahi aata. (It is not possible to put a date to this),” he says when I ask about his ancestry. This region, in the valley of the Shyok river, was part of the Silk Route.

Trade in Turtuk

According to the Balti Heritage museum, Turtuk was once inhabited by the Brokpa tribe, and was later taken over by warriors of Central Asian origin, whose descendants are believed to still populate the village. With time, people from different regions came into Turtuk for trade, and the region thus has a rich racial diversity.



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Mohammad Ali, who has transformed a part of his house into a museum | Photo Credit: Archita Suryanarayanan
Ali, surrounded by memorabilia and everyday objects that his family has collected over generations — thick coats made of yak hair, agricultural implements made of ibex horns, stone vessels — says, “People have stopped using many of these objects.” He points to a stone dish. “This is probably 300 years old but now they are being replaced by brass and copper.” The houses used to be made of stone and wood, but some of the new houses have begun to use cement. “The wooden homes kept us warm in winters when temperatures drop up to minus 20 degree Celsius.” In an adjacent room, his family is busy, and they offer us freshly picked apricots.

History comes alive

“The idea of a museum came from my children, who had seen museums in other parts of India and wanted to create one for our own unique village,” says Ali. His seven children are now working or studying in different parts of the country. When the museum first opened in May this year, visitors were mainly from the village; then residents from neighbouring districts, including school children began visiting, and they were followed by a few tourists.

But it isn’t only the museum that brings alive local history, the village itself is packed with living heritage: the architecture, the dense neighbourhood fabric, the sustainable ways of life such as the traditional dry composting toilets. The wooden homes are naturally insulated, and built to follow the natural slope of the land, and often, when you pass by a closed door, you can hear a donkey braying or a cow mooing inside.

Inside the durbar

A few alleys away from Ali’s house, at the end of a cul-de-sac, is a building that seems nondescript except for the crest of an eagle guarding the gate. But inside is a courtyard with wooden columns, an intricate frieze of geometric and floral patterns, leading to a regal room upstairs. Sitting in this durbar, with a shawl stylishly draped around his shoulders and brandishing a carved walking stick, is Yabgo Mohammad Khan Kacho, a descendent of the Yabgo dynasty and the ‘king’ of this former palace.

“You are now in Baltistan, not just in Ladakh. This powerful dynasty ruled Baltistan for over 2,000 years,” he says. Pointing to the family tree he has inscribed on the wall of the room, he describes the reign of the various kings, the splitting of the kingdom between three sons, and how it eventually becomes a part of Pakistan. Kacho continues to live in the former palace with his wife. He has converted the former durbar into a museum of the dynasty’s relics — headgear used by the kings and queens, old coins, swords and armaments — and he tells visitors his story and takes them on a tour of the palace which he says has been relatively unchanged since the 15th century.

Buckwheat pancakes

The palace, he says, is relatively unchanged since the 15th century, except that a few walls have been replaced with glass so that the artefacts are displayed against a lush green landscape. Outside, on his terrace, he plucks green grapes from an overhanging vine and offers them to us.

Turtuk is much greener than most parts of Ladakh, surrounded by fields and orchards. “This is very fertile land; we grow apricots, grapes, apples, cherries, peaches,” says Gulam Haider, who runs a guesthouse.

In the freezing winters, Turtuk becomes isolated. “We stock up on food; the whole family gathers in the kitchen around the stove with chai and namkeen. If there is electricity, we watch TV, otherwise we visit relatives. It is aaram, no tension,” says Haider, whose guesthouse does not see any business in these months.



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The road leading to Turtuk village | Photo Credit: Archita Suryanarayanan


Turtuk was opened to tourists in 2010. It is still not a popular destination, but tourists have started trickling in. The village now has homestays. A map points out the wooden bridge, a blacksmith, a traditional cold storage. A few restaurants offer Balti cuisine such as kisir (buckwheat pancakes) and walnut dip, and praku, a locally made pasta-like dish. The village also has annual events like polo matches, and a cultural festival. Haider tells me of a visitor from Pakistan who travelled to Turtuk via Lahore and Delhi just to be able to stand on the opposite side of the border.

But a sudden influx of tourism could lead to Turtuk facing problems that other popular parts of Ladakh face: mounting plastic waste, rampant construction and water shortage.

“Places like Pangong Lake have colonies of fixed luxury tents that use diesel generators. There is no way of disposing the garbage generated. We need to make sure this doesn’t happen in Turtuk. Visitors need to be sensitive to local culture and environment,” says Kush Sharma, founder Rural Odyssey, which works on eco-friendly travel and rural livelihoods.

For now, life in Turtuk carries on as usual. Children are returning from school, people are walking back from work, and the muezzin’s call is echoing across the fields. And once the sun sets, the only sound will be that of the constantly gurgling stream.

An architect-urbanist, the writer is simultaneously fascinated and frustrated by the madness of city life.
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The Brokpa are a small community of Dard people residing in Jammu and Kashmir region, about 163 km (101 mi) northwest of Leh and 62 km (39 mi) north of Kargil in Ladakh.

Some 130 kms north-east of Kargil, on the Line of Control , there are villages of Dah, Hano (Hano Goma and Hano Yogma), Darchik and Garkon. These villages are situated on the northern bank of Indus on the road to Baltistan. Here is found a community which for thousands of years have lived in isolation in their inascessible villages. They have distinct features – tall and statesque, with green eyes, high cheek bone, fair with flawless skin and some with blonde hair.

The community also claims to be the direct descendants from the Alexander’s Army, some of whom reportedly stayed back after Alexander abandoned his campaign at the banks of river Indus in 326 BC.

The first contact of the western world with the Dardic people (to which the Brokpas belong) was in 1830 by Godfrey Thomas Vigne, the British maveric explorer.

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Kalash: The most intriguing is the “white tribe” who have blue eyes, blond hair and fair skin. This tribe lives in district of Chitral, Azad Kashmir, bordering Afghanistan in three valleys and number around 4000. They follow many Hindu customs, including idol worship in outdoor temples. In the past this group has faced persecution from the radical Islamists. Women are not behind the veil, and their choice is respected by society. There is a very strong myth that they are the descendants from the lost soldiers of Alexander, a belief which prompts the Greek government to development aid to the Kalash region. DNA Tests have revealed them to have a distinct genetic makeup but not necessarily Greek.
Malana: This village which had remained cut-off from the rest of the world for thousands of years has developed its own language, social structure and also a unique governance structure based on democratic principles. Malana is located in the Kullu Valley of Himachal Pradesh and claims its ancestry from the soldiers of the Alexander’s Army who took refuge in this remote place and founded a village. Another claim is that they are the part of the Aryans who crossed into India. Malana residents even today live in a self imposed isolation and visitors are not allowed to touch any possession of the locals due to fear of pollution.
Brokpa: The four villages in the Kargil district of Ladakh make a similar claim to Greek ancestry. However DNA analysis does not provide any evidence of this link. Brokpa are of Dardic origin, and have similarities with Kalash
Burusho: live in Gilgit-Baltistan in Northern Pakistan. Burusho legend maintains that they descend from the village of Baltir, which had been founded by a soldier left behind from the army of Alexander the Great. DNA studies have not found any Greek markers amongst the Burusho.

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Sahih Bukhari Volume 009, Book 088, Hadith Number 232.
Narrated By Abu Huraira : Allah's Messenger said, "The Hour will not be established till the buttocks of the women of the tribe of Daus move while going round Dhi-al-Khalasa." Dhi-al-Khalasa was the idol of the Daus tribe which they used to worship in the Pre Islamic Period of ignorance.
 
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Rahima Begum | Photo Credit: Kartiki Selena Gonsalves

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November 03, 2018 16:24 IST
Updated: November 04, 2018 09:14 IST



She was the first girl of this border village to finish school when other girls did not even get schooling; and she became the first woman to get a government job here

Rahima Begum was a young bride and new mother when she awoke one morning in December 1971 to find her dreams shattered and her new family divided. India had captured her village of Turtuk and three neighbouring villages of Chalunka, Thang and Tyakshi on the India-Pakistan border. Overnight, the LoC had shifted. For India it meant a tactical victory, and new vantage points for the forces. For the villagers, it meant separation, heartbreak and hardship.

Turtuk, with its lush fields and blue skies, is an oasis amid the stark, stony peaks of the Pamir and Hindukush mountains. The sprawling flowering buckwheat fields are dotted with the orange-canopied and entangled trunks of apricot trees. Water from the glacier gurgles along Turtuk’s cobbled paths, and in summer, laughter echoes across the fields as children splash about in a natural pool in the village centre.

This is where Rahima grew up in the 1960s. She was a bright, free-spirited child, full of dreams. Her parents had ambitions for their young daughter. Her great-grandfather was a famous Balti poet. Rahima attended the local school and, at 14, became the first girl to graduate from it.



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A Balti woman harvesting apricots | Photo Credit: Kartiki Selena Gonsalves

She recalls how in summer the children jumped into the pond to bathe. They did so with their school uniforms on, so they got washed too. They would then stand under the sun, arms outstretched, and dry out.

As was the custom, as soon as Rahima finished Class VI, her family found her a husband. He happened to be her cousin, Sher Ali and was known as the most handsome man in the area, and in fact in all of Pakistan. Rahima considered herself fortunate. Ali worked in the Pakistan army and marriage promised travel and a steady income.

Daily chores
As a married woman, Rahima took on household and farm work. She woke early, prayed, and made breakfast of kisir (buckwheat pancake) and grangthur (curd with local herbs). She would then set out to work in the fields or orchards. On some days she returned by afternoon, on others she toiled till sunset. At home, there were donkeys and chickens to feed and other domestic chores. Then, in November 1971, Rahima’s daughter Aisha Sudiqa was born.



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Traditional Balti attire and jewellery | Photo Credit: Kartiki Selena Gonsalves

In December, when India captured the area, Chalunka’s residents gathered all the possessions they could and fled across the new border into Azad Kashmir. The three other villages decided to stay in India.

For some time, Rahima’s life remained unchanged; she was immersed in her baby daughter. But Sher Ali was not permitted to cross the border and come to India and Turtuk. Aisha was growing up; she began to accompany her mother to the apricot orchards and splash in the pond. But Rahima missed Sher Ali very much. She had not foreseen that she would be raising her daughter on her own. She waited hopefully for news of his return. Three years passed.

Then, in 1974, Rahima finally received a letter. It was from Sher Ali. Her hands trembled as she opened it. He wrote to say that he missed her very much, he asked about Aisha. He said he hoped to be reunited with them soon, and asked her to take care of herself and their daughter.

After reading the letter, Rahima became even more determined to live with him, even if it meant crossing the border into Pakistan. The very same day she packed some clothes and documents and set out with Aisha on the long journey to the Wagah border. Miles of barren, unforgiving terrain later, she gazed out of the tempo window to find men in khaki and green, and army trucks trundling by every few minutes. The vehicle slammed brakes, and she was ordered to get down with everyone else. She walked to the border control. She was afraid, but knew she had to be strong.

The officials inspected her documents, and checked records from a big book to make sure she had no history of attempted border-crossing. An officer then walked towards her, and said she could not cross. She pleaded with him, but it was of no use. Heartbroken, Rahima and Aisha returned to Turtuk. She wondered if she would ever see Sher Ali again.



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Boys drying themselves after a swim. | Photo Credit: Kartiki Selena Gonsalves

Bolt from beyond
Two more years passed. Then, when Aisha was six, in 1976, Rahima received a letter. It said “As-salaam-alaikum. I hope you and Aisha are well. I am upset to bring to you the news that I don’t think we have hope of ever meeting again. I tried many times to cross the border and was rejected. I think it is time to say goodbye. I need to marry another woman. Khuda Hāfiz.” For Rahima, life went on.

Six years later, Sher Ali wrote again. It had now been 12 years since their village had been brought into India. This time, the letter asked for a divorce. Rahima’s eyes welled up with tears, her hands shook as she read the letter. “Take care of Aisha,” the letter said. “I wish you luck in life. Khuda Hāfiz.”

The divorce came through. In October 1983, Rahima’s and Sher Ali’s parents persuaded her to marry Sher Ali’s younger brother, Abdul Kareem. Aisha was delighted to have a father, and the next year, the couple had a baby girl they named Farida Khanum. Ten years went by. Rahima, now a mother of six, was determined to make something of her life. She decided she wanted to improve the lives of Turtuk’s residents. With her education, she was able to take up a government post in Turtuk as an Urdu teacher.



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A Balti woman with her donkey | Photo Credit: Kartiki Selena Gonsalves

Rahima sent all her children, boys and girls, to school, and encouraged others to educate their children too. She led by example: she was after all the first girl of her village to finish school when other girls did not even get schooling, and she also became the first village woman to get a government job.

School topper
Rahima’s daughter Aisha also excelled in school, and became the first girl to leave Turtuk village and enrol in high school in Hunder. She then went to Srinagar’s Maulana Azad National Urdu University for a B.Sc. degree, and then an MBBS as well.

Nobody from Turtuk had ever gone outside Ladakh to study before. Aisha was excited and proud. After her training, she returned to Turtuk, the first woman doctor in the village.

Aisha, like her mother before her, became a role model for Turtuk’s girls. She visited her neighbours, friends and relatives, and even the schools in Turtuk and neighbouring villages. She spoke to the young girls there, ignited in them dreams and hopes, spoke about careers, income, knowledge and education of women. Today, everyone in Turtuk wants their girls to be like Aisha, to go to school, to work, discover the world outside. It has been a major leap.

One evening during Ramzan, in 1995, Aisha returned home to break her fast, but feeling fatigued and disoriented, she went to bed, and passed away in the early hours of the morning. She had been suffering from anaemia and the strain of travel and fasting had proved too much.

Rahima mourned her first-born, and the village the loss of their strong, independent and educated daughter.

But Turtuk vowed to keep her memory alive by educating girls and improving their lives. Thanks to the mother and daughter, life in Turtuk has changed a lot. Now, all girls attend school. Many continue their education in Kashmir or Delhi in big universities.

To the average tourist, Turtuk may look like it’s stuck in a time-warp. But its residents know that their lives have changed dramatically. And that a big part of this revolution owes to two of Turtuk’s daughters, Rahima and Aisha.

The Mumbai-based writer is a Sony Artisan, photojournalist and cinematographer.

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