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The Afghan endgame, & the potential players

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The Afghan endgame promises to be an intriguing affair. Anyone following the events of the War on Terror closely knows that the War on Terror is just a pretext for much greater things in the region. In the Afghan endgame, Afghanistan will be sharply divided along ethnic lines: North Afghanistan will be dominated by non-Pashtun elements, whereas the South will be dominated by Pashtun elements. A deal will be brokered where the Taliban will (be allowed to) administer the regions in the South, & will be asked not to interfere in the administration of the non-Pashtun elements in the North. That is if the US plans for the Afghan endgame go according to plan, & the Taliban is convinced to join the negotiating table... As of now, the Taliban are not interested in peace talks, & the only one that is interested is the US.

The US & NATO Forces have all but given up tackling the situation in Southern Afghanistan, & have focused on their efforts to get rid of insurgent elements in North Afghanistan trying to overthrow the present regime. The aim of this activity is to leave as little obstacles in North Afghanistan for the current regime as possible. The Haqqani network, who are accused of being ISI proxies will not be tolerated, as they present an imminent threat to the Karzai regime in North & Central Afghanistan, hence an imminent threat to the US interests in the post 2014 scenario. Unfortunately for the US, the Haqqani network will still maintain considerable control in North & Central Afghanistan post 2014 in the Afghan endgame.

What are the future prospects of Afghanistan 2014? Afghanistan will be the ultimate prize for many countries in the region, because of its strategic location, & the 'opportunities' its location provides; along with its untapped resources (to a lesser degree), & the potential contracting options for companies.

India hit the jackpot when it won the iron ore project South West of Kabul. While Indian engineers successfully managed to create a road in Nimroz connecting it to Iran, Nimroz is a stronghold of the Taliban, which could turn into a huge problem for India. The poor infrastructure from Bamiyan to Nimroz is another big problem, along with the security concerns in that region as well. India has collaborated its efforts by working to develop the Chabahar Port in Iran. The Chabahar Port serves the purpose of linking Afghanistan/Central Asia with India, as well as giving India access to Iran's oil reserves. But the Chabahar Port itself is operating at a very low capacity (2.5 MPTA), & is located in the Sistan-Balochistan area of Iran, which is rife with insurgency & terrorism violence. India is also planning on building an underwater pipeline to Iran, utilizing the resources from the Straits of Hormuz & Iran's gas reserves, although there isn't much development on that front.

In terms of the competing IP-I/C & TAPI pipelines, the IP line has been complete on the Iranian side, whereas the pipeline is under construction on the Pakistani side. It is expected to be constructed by 2013 & operational by 2014. The TAPI pipeline taps the resources of the Caspian Sea, passes through Turkmenistan, through North & Southern Afghanistan into Balochistan, Pakistan & onwards into India. While Turkmenistan is free from terrorism, the Taliban in the South & the other insurgents in Northern Afghanistan will have to be convinced in the Afghan end game to let the pipelines pass into Balochistan. And in Balochistan, Pakistan will have to contain the Baloch insurgency. All in all, it is a project destined to fail. If the Baloch insurgency in Pakistan is able to be contained, & there isn't too much problem from the insurgents in Sistan Balochistan in Iran, the IP pipeline will be successful. But with Iran's increasing isolation on the world stage, both the IP pipeline & the Chabahar port can become risky investments for Pakistan & India respectively.

Afghanistan is eventually, the ultimate prize for both the US & China; for China to expand its footprint in Central Asia, & for the US to contain China from doing that. The oil & other untapped natural resources in Afghanistan are only a small part of the great game, the biggest advantage Afghanistan has is its strategic location, & the 'options & opportunities' it presents for countries.

Pakistan is an important part of all of this as well. Like Afghanistan, while Pakistan's untapped natural resources are important for potential contracting businesses, it is only a small part of the great game. Pakistan is an important piece of the puzzle to the endgame in Afghanistan, & can help China get access to Central Asia & the Middle East, as well as the energy corridor of the Straits of Hormuz. The KKH & the Gwadar Port are important initiatives for achieving these goals. While the Gwadar Port is operational, & is connected to Karachi & Port Qasim through the Makran Coastal Highway; it is not connected to the KKH, hampered by poor road infrastructure through Balochistan & a low level insurgency. If Pakistan is able to control the insurgency, & is able to create adequate road infrastructure in Balochistan, connecting the Gwadar Port to the KKH, this would result in the increase of China's footprint in the region.

All in all, the Afghan endgame promises to be a very intriguing affair.
 
It will be Pakistan that triumphs again. This is the reason for the frustration from the Yanks, Indians and Tajiks. Pakistan hasn't been playing the game since the 80's to lose influence so easily.
 
Pakistan and China will have more influence in future once USA leaves or decrease its presence.
India will not get strategic presence as they desire but yes they may become a player in economy.
 
Pakistan has a reason for having influence in Afghanistan since they have been hostile before the Soviet Invasion. We need a pro-Pakistan or to the least a neutral government in Afghanistan to establish our security. All this talk of pipe-lines and infrastructure projects is great, but what good are they if there is no stability in the country? We haven't played the game to rule or subjugate or steal resources. As a nation we have a natural concern to our security and stability in the region overall.
 
It will be Pakistan that triumphs again. This is the reason for the frustration from the Yanks, Indians and Tajiks. Pakistan hasn't been playing the game since the 80's to lose influence so easily.


Asssumptions
1) Iran and Russia will be teleported to the Inter galactic outerspace.
2)Also the Americans wont have the money to pay rent to Afghans so that can maintain even one base after 2014,that is if at all they are leave after 2014.
3)Also ANA will be disbanded and turned into back row Kung Fu fighters in period chinese movies.

Pakistan will win the endgame and regain control/establish a puppet govt. in Afghanistan.
Hence Proved.

P.S.-Assumptions are the weakness of any theory.:no:
 
Asssumptions
1) Iran and Russia will be teleported to the Inter galactic outerspace.
2)Also the Americans wont have the money to pay rent to Afghans so that can maintain even one base after 2014,that is if at all they are leave after 2014.
3)Also ANA will be disbanded and turned into back row Kung Fu fighters in period chinese movies.

Pakistan will win the endgame and regain control/establish a puppet govt. in Afghanistan.
Hence Proved.

P.S.-Assumptions are the weakness of any theory.

The russians will not make the same mistake twice. They know the worth of Pakistan after they had to pull out from Afghanistan once. Iran will not interfere with Afghanistan since they don't see the outcome to be favourable, and if you look at their pattern, they involve themselves towards the west and south.

One American base means they have absolute say in the country? They already have a few. :lol:
 
If I engage you further it will just turn into a troll fest, and I already feel bad for hijacking Bilal bhai's quality thread. Lets just say time will tell,
Agree

but as of now the cards are on the table and our hand is looking quite favourable.
Disagree...

---------- Post added at 05:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:13 PM ----------

btw, what are the views around India's objectives in this end game.. And how do they conflict with Pakistan's
 
Disagree...

For a one line response all I can say is keep dreaming.


btw, what are the views around India's objectives in this end game.. And how do they conflict with Pakistan's

ISI will only allow India to play an economic role in the rebuilding of the country,once a Pakistan friendly party is in power.
 
Asssumptions
1) Iran and Russia will be teleported to the Inter galactic outerspace.

The developing geopolitical picture based on current events shows that the US is getting increasingly isolated in Afghanistan, & it is possible that Iran & Russia might work with Pakistan to isolate the US further in the region.

2)Also the Americans wont have the money to pay rent to Afghans so that can maintain even one base after 2014,that is if at all they are leave after 2014.

Money is fine, but without US troops on the ground, they will not be able to hold onto the areas they currently control. Which is why we are having all these talks with the Taliban, because the US is not confident that the current Karzai regime can hold its own: it knows that the Taliban will come back to power, & their efforts to eliminate them have failed.

3)Also ANA will be disbanded and turned into back row Kung Fu fighters in period chinese movies.

While the ANA has improved, it is still not strong enough to handle the threat of the Taliban & other insurgents in the country.
 
ISI will only allow India to play an economic role in the rebuilding of the country,once a Pakistan friendly party is in power.

Not talking about what ISI will allow (sic) or not.. But what do Pakistanis think India's objectives are in this end game
 
WHY DOES EVERYBODY WANTS TO HAVE INFLUENCE THERE AT ALL??????/

Let the country stand on its own feet for Gods sake!!......please
 
Not talking about what ISI will allow (sic) or not.. But what do Pakistanis think India's objectives are in this end game

Access to resources and central asian market, but we will not allow it if we are not getting our cut.
 
Access to resources and central asian market, but we will not allow it if we are not getting our cut.

But India has it thru Iran and Charbar Port.. Why would we want to go thru Pakistan. When NATO cant protect its supply lines from the terrorists in Pakistan, how can India
 
But India has it thru Iran and Charbar Port.. Why would we want to go thru Pakistan. When NATO cant protect its supply lines from the terrorists in Pakistan, how can India

I have mentioned the Chabahar Port, & the issues with that in my original post as well.
 
But India has it thru Iran and Charbar Port.. Why would we want to go thru Pakistan

LOL at your naivety.

Look at it this way, you can sail around the world to Afghanistan, but what makes you think your assets in Afghanistan will be safe without the blessing of Pakistan?

This is not tough talk, but I'm just being realistic.
 
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