The 2013 Deobandi Rawalpindi Mosque burning was carried out by the TTP

[Winchester]

A lot of you may remember back in 2013 when Rawalpindi was on edge. It was after the ashura incident when a Deobandi mosque was set alight what was then believed by Shia Ashura mourners. In this clip the ISPR makes it clear it were the Taliban terrorists who burned down the mosque of their own school of thought just to incite a sectarian clash in the city.

https://twitter.com/x/status/899646223396818946

 

[El Sidd]

That's a confusing title

 

[Winchester]

That's a confusing title

Not if you know the background of the incident.....I was there and the whole city was very tense for 3-4 days.

LeJ types still use that incident for propaganda purposes

 

[Baloch Pakistani]

Truth has been revealed.

 

[El Sidd]

Not if you know the background of the incident.....I was there and the whole city was very tense for 3-4 days.

LeJ types still use that incident for propaganda purposes

That's terrible.
I can understand.

But how did the word deobandi came up from?

TTP are takfiris. Deobandi are Sunni Muslims.

The usage of the word sect means sect of Islam. Sunni and Shia.

Though state of Pakistan itself denounces sectarianism under it's Constitution.

Those who utter the shahadah are considered Muslims followers of the religion Islam.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Can't understand one thing!!! Interpretations on matters of Siyaset shouldn't be left to some random schools of thought for they can be "hacked" by the arch enemies!!! These matters should be strictly controlled by the State, in accordance with 14 centuries of accumulated Ilm and Akide based on the best practices of Kur'an and Sunna. After rigorous consultations and debate, all funded by the state, a uniform code of understanding and conduct needs to be promulgated and strictly enforced. And, they need to be dynamically updated based on the constant change of affair, which is, by the by, is an Ilahi Sunna. Otherwise, Fitne and Fesat are almost sure things!!! And, rebellious folks in this front need to be mercilessly subdued for Fitne/Fesat are worse than murder!!! In the golden Osmanli days this practice was religiously followed - not even Hanedan, Vezirs or Pashas were exempted!!! Turkey has learnt these facts after paying a heavy price!!!! Now, for example, the same Hutbe is offered in all mosques, whose Imam and Hatip are sate employees, during Ju'ma all over Turkey....

 

[El Sidd]

Can't understand one thing!!! Interpretations on matters of Siyaset shouldn't be left to some random schools of thought for they can be "hacked" by the arch enemies!!! These matters should be strictly controlled by the State, in accordance with 14 centuries of accumulated Ilm and Akide based on the best practices of Kur'an and Sunna. After rigorous consolations and debate, all funded by the state, a uniform code of understanding and conduct needs to be promulgated and strictly enforced. Otherwise, Fitne and Fesat are almost sure things!!! And, rebellious folks in this front need to be mercilessly subdued for Fitne/Fesat are worse than murder!!! In the golden Osmanli days this practice was religiously followed - not even Hanedan, Vezirs or Pashas were exempted!!! Turkey has learnt these facts after paying a heavy price!!!! Now, for example, the same Hutbe is offered in all mosques, whose Imam and Hatip are sate employees, during Ju'ma all over Turkey....

One word

Ijtehad

Open it and the world is yours.

 

[Winchester]

That's terrible.
I can understand.

But how did the word deobandi came up from?

TTP are takfiris. Deobandi are Sunni Muslims.

The usage of the word sect means sect of Islam. Sunni and Shia.

Though state of Pakistan itself denounces sectarianism under it's Constitution.

Those who utter the shahadah are considered Muslims followers of the religion Islam.

The ISPR spokesman himself used the word Sunni mosque.

I used the word Deobandi because Deobandi madressahs form the backbone of Taliban support in the country and they consider even other mainstream sunni sects like Braelvi as heretics.

TTP regularly carries out attacks against "Sunni" shrines regularly.....this is different because this particular incident was used by sectarian organizations as a sort of a victim card.

Point to be noted here is that the mosque itself was and still is affiliated with these very organizations.

Also I don't think we should shy away from pointing out where the problem lies.

 

[El Sidd]

The ISPR spokesman himself used the word Sunni mosque.

I used the word Deobandi because Deobandi madressahs form the backbone of Taliban support in the country and they consider even other mainstream sunni sects like Braelvi as heretics.

TTP regularly carries out attacks against "Sunni" shrines regularly.....this is different because this particular incident was used by sectarian organizations as a sort of a victim card.

Point to be noted here is that the mosque itself was and still is affiliated with these very organizations.

Also I don't think we should shy away from pointing out where the problem lies.

The problem lies in understanding the spoken word differently to what it means.

The rest of the sectarian debate i Don't bother. But get atleast the title right.

 

[Winchester]

The problem lies in understanding the spoken word differently to what it means.

The rest of the sectarian debate i Don't bother. But get atleast the title right.

Good I don't bother with sectarian debates either.

The mods can change the title if they want to.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

One word

Ijtehad

Open it and the world is yours.

" We have lost in the realm of Siyaset, and from here we need to revive again", Dede Pasha (an Osmanli statesman)

Some sorts of reforms in the Islamic thoughts and understandings, especially matters pertaining to Hakikat, is a must. Some Turkish scholars, especially Ustad Bediuzzaman Said Nursi (1877-1960, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Said_Nursî), understood it almost 100 years back. A thorough ground work through education needs to be done, in the fundamental matters of Iman, Ihlas etc. and how they should guide one's mindset in this age of enormous scientific/economic advances, to regain true holds on the world affairs again. So, he gave this advice to the state, "introduce scientific studies in religious schools, and religious studies in secular schools". Of course, it was ignored. So, he took it upon himself to expound this by composing a 6,000 pages of Kuranic commentary (Risale-i Nur) on the fundamental matters of attaining Hakiki Ya'kin (not Teklidi - imitative) using both brains (reasoning) and heart (spirituality) as relevant to the modern ages. He wanted to prepare generations of Turkish folks to meet the challenges of impending Fitne and Fesat, so overwhelming that even Sehabe-i Ikram (RA) used to ask for refuge against it!!!! If Turkey is somewhat surviving right now without wholesale Fitne/Fesat etc. induced blood bath, this is due to the teachings from the illuminous figures like Ustad who appeared at the darkest hours in Turkey. Needless to say, no avenues of Zulm were spared to subdue these movements, but as usual they failed. And, the results are thee to see...

 

[war&peace]

TTP was the scum of the society that played into the hands of enemies for the sake of money but used Islam as the cover. It is satisfactory to know that their backbone has been broken but their sympathisers are still at large and operating with impunity. We need to weed them out through intel based combing operations and monitoring country's monetary channel.
Money makes the mare go and it is even more valid for these terrorists.
Also we need to revamp our educational system and religious and the secular educations should be merged into unified system that caters for the needs of the whole nation. Furthermore, the masjids should also be controlled through some ulema council.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

A lot of you may remember back in 2013 when Rawalpindi was on edge. It was after the ashura incident when a Deobandi mosque was set alight what was then believed by Shia Ashura mourners. In this clip the ISPR makes it clear it were the Taliban terrorists who burned down the mosque of their own school of thought just to incite a sectarian clash in the city.

https://twitter.com/x/status/899646223396818946

great work by our intelligence agencies for bursting the cell.
the attack timing and targeting was very suspicious and pointed at instigating sectarian conflict. there were unfortunate deaths but at last we have seen the end of this

TTP was the scum of the society that played into the hands of enemies for the sake of money but used Islam as the cover. It is satisfactory to know that their backbone has been broken but their sympathisers are still at large and operating with impunity. We need to weed them out through intel based combing operations and monitoring countries monetary channel. Money makes their mare go and it is even more valid for these terrorists.
Also we need to revamp our educational system and religious and the secular educations should be merged into unified system that caters for the needs of the whole nation. Furthermore, the masjids should also be controlled through some ulema council.

restricting Mosques only to prayers is the best way to go forward in any time and place and specially in our times when troublesome people can use this platform for instigating hatred and violence (Lal Masjid as an example).

Mosques must be locked up after the prayers and the prayer leaders must be vetted since they have such public access to the locals and can influence impressionable people (Mumtaz Qadri who was allegedly influenced by a prayer leader demanding the killing of Suleman taseer)

 

[BATMAN]

Is it about the infamous mosque attack in Rawalpindi, as described below:

 

[war&peace]

great work by our intelligence agencies for bursting the cell.
the attack timing and targeting was very suspicious and pointed at instigating sectarian conflict. there were unfortunate deaths but at last we have seen the end of this


restricting Mosques only to prayers is the best way to go forward in any time and place and specially in our times when troublesome people can use this platform for instigating hatred and violence (Lal Masjid as an example).

Mosques must be locked up after the prayers and the prayer leaders must be vetted since they have such public access to the locals and can influence impressionable people (Mumtaz Qadri who was allegedly influenced by a prayer leader demanding the killing of Suleman taseer)

I slightly disagree because I'm afraid that will backfire and people will not accept such restrictions. However there are more palatable ways for example involving a council of scholars from all the sects at the central govt level to lay down a criteria for the selection of the Imam in the masjid especially the Jamie-masjid where jumma sermons are offered. Also integrating the local community more the masjid so they control and keep an on all activities in the masjid. No masjid should be allowed to be constructed without full analysis and assessment of its purpose.

Spoiler alert: I tell you a story so as to understand their modus operandi.

I remember that the masjid made by people of my father's village was open for all including Shias, Sunnis (brelvi, deobandi) and Wahabis but then Deobandis and Wahabis colluded together to take over the masjid slowly by inviting the tableeghis into the masjid and addressing the locals. The first ones to get uncomfortable were the Shias but they stayed silent so as to gel in until an idiot objected their way of praying and pointed out the differences. That was the time when my father realised that situation was getting out of control and he involved the community and with the support of the local authorities (police), they were able to wrest back the control of the masjid from the clutches of the sectarian mullahs. However, they build a separate masjid around 500 yards away. So they are still able to get some people as regular visitors to their masjid (mostly the deobandis and wahabis) and thus the village has got a sectarian divide which did not exist previously. If there was a mechanism for assessment and permission for building the masjid, it would have not been built in the first place.