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Yuldashev: end of a regional terrorist

The death in South Waziristan of Qari Tahir Yuldashev by an American drone closes the career of a remarkable man who challenged Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Pakistan, China and the United States in the name of his radical Islam. He and his nearly 5,000 Uzbek fighters — estimates have varied over time — have been a part of the Afghan Taliban and the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) under the tutelage of Mullah Umar and Al Qaeda. Indeed, he was present as a witness to the 2006 peace agreement between the Pakistan Army and the Taliban in South Waziristan.

Tahir Yuldashev founded the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan together with the senior leader Juma Namangani in 1998 but had to flee the oppressive regime of Uzbekistan to Afghanistan in 2000, where in 2001 Juma Namangani was killed during fighting. The heat on the IMU came after it abducted a group of Japanese tourists from Kyrgyzstan that year. Yuldashev wanted to establish an Islamic state in the Central Asian region inhabited by Turkic peoples, and thus challenged also China in its Xinjiang province where the local Muslim population is also Turkic.

In the period immediately before 9/11, Al Qaeda had a free run of Pakistan with its key second-rung leaders embedded comfortably in Karachi. The 9/11 attacks were planned in Karachi and the money for the 19 suicide attackers was also sent from Pakistan. Juma Namangani, who was leading the terrorists in Tajikistan from his stronghold in Tavildara, was in fact in Karachi for a time. He returned to Tajikistan by taking a chartered flight from Karachi to Bishkek in Kyrgyzstan, disguised and without a beard. The Tajikistan government was greatly alarmed and accused Pakistan of interference and of posting ISI officers as ambassadors to Central Asia, including Tajikistan.

Pakistan’s relations with Uzbekistan were affected by the IMU’s repeated attempts on the life of the Uzbek president, which led to the return of Russia to the region as a “protector” and to the setting up of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) comprising “frontline” Central Asian states, Russia and China, “advancing mutual economic interests, fostering military trust among its members and combating Islamist radicalism”. In many senses, Pakistan could be seen as an early target of this anti-Islamist radicalism objective.

Tahir Yuldashev became greatly involved inside Pakistan because of the tutelage of the Al Qaeda leader Ayman Al Zawahiri. As more and more Uzbeks fled the Ferghana Valley in Central Asia and joined him in South Waziristan, the IMU turned away from their homeland and began focusing its attention jointly with the TTP inside Pakistan. It sent its warriors to Swat too when Fazlullah began his activities there after making contacts with Baitullah Mehsud in South Waziristan. His importance was highlighted when an ANP leader who had named him publicly was nearly killed in Peshawar through an explosive device.

The IMU also caused the “Chinese factor” to become prominent in the tribal areas. After the Chechens from Russia, the Uighur-Muslim rebels from Xinjiang too began to congregate in South Waziristan. China handled the emerging situation tactfully but became more vocal in its complaints after the Uighur rebels began to attack Xinjiang after taking guerrilla training in South Waziristan. China also acted in concert with the members of the SCO to consolidate the road and bridge networks in Central Asia to organise a defence system against Tahir Yuldashev and his IMU.

The death of Tahir Yuldashev at the hands of the Americans has, as in the case of Baitullah Mehsud, provided relief to Pakistan and lent strength to its resolve to finally grasp the nettle of South Waziristan. But this time, it has benefited also China and the Central Asian states, and Russia who is the regional “security-umbrella” provider. After President Obama’s new “friendly” policy towards Moscow, an understanding on the Taliban-Al Qaeda threat from Pakistan will also be easily reached with China.

The year 2009 was the biggest year so far for drone strikes inside Pakistan. The people killed reached the record number of 404, out of which civilians accounted for only 43. But these attacks have killed some of the most important leaders belonging to the TTP-Al Qaeda network. Tahir Yuldashev was clearly an important target of the drone attacks; as far as Pakistan’s neighbours are concerned, perhaps more important than Baitullah Mehsud. The IMU will be hard put to find another leader like him and may therefore suffer a period of weakness
 
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well its about time they did something right - and at what cost aswell, change the thread title to "about time USA"
 
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It is common decency to express gratitude, Ingratitude does however; demonstrate a mean spirited pettyness. It has become "fashionable" among some to cut their own nose to spite the American, lets not be counted among them, lets always attempt to keep our interests before us and express these and not our insecurities.
 
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its not a clever argument to play the blind man, i think we are all aware of the us's track record with drones and how effective they have been, perhaps make the case of why we should be grateful since it strikes me that they have yielded underwhelming results at a great cost.

how do you weigh up the cost/benefit?
 
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What would be the point of the blind telling the deaf and dumb??

Drone attacks have been tremendously successful and will continue and for that, Thank you, USA:cheers:
 
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its not a clever argument to play the blind man, i think we are all aware of the us's track record with drones and how effective they have been, perhaps make the case of why we should be grateful since it strikes me that they have yielded underwhelming results at a great cost.

how do you weigh up the cost/benefit?

Your opinion is not based on facts. You have no proof of how many "innocent" people have been killed in drone strikes. I can say ZERO and you cannot prove me wrong. I would bet, though, that the percentage of innocents killed in USA drone strikes is much, much smaller than either the actions of the Taliban or the PA in attacking the Taliban. The reason that the PA wants drone strike capability is that the PA recognizes that drone strikes kill bad guys with less "collateral" damage than it can achieve with its own present capabilities.
 
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What would be the point of the blind telling the deaf and dumb??

Drone attacks have been tremendously successful and will continue and for that, Thank you, USA:cheers:

you know when you want to make a point you make it more forcefully then anyone on here - and when you don't you run away, deflect or ignore it.

now i credit you with the use of google, so there is no point in me trying to pick a few links out to prove an obvious point, its common knowledge that the drones have killed many many innocents.


now my question to you is whether you as a pro-pakistani person, someone who should value the life of a pakistani person think that these drone attacks come at an acceptable cost to the nation of pakistan, do they or not? and why?
 
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Then those people should stop being around people that are innocent .. Its War .. and we cannot allow them to keep running amok. They cannot choose when they want to fight or when they want to get a leg massage.
 
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Then those people should stop being around people that are innocent .. Its War .. and we cannot allow them to keep running amok. They cannot choose when they want to fight or when they want to get a leg massage.

am sure there are a few al qaeda operatives in new york, london and paris - lets send the drones in over there?


you are talking about your own citizens here for gods sake, its a sad day when we start talking about our own as "collateral", i ask again, is the cost acceptable? and why?
 
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Most of the women are the first,second... wives of taliban leaders

and Children of madersa are preparing for suicide attacks.

That is the most callous, hateful statement I have seen in a while.

By your idiotic logic, the families of US marines who died in Lebanon (1983) were fair game.

I agree with both muse and realist here. It's good that we are getting rid of these bad guys, but we must also try to minimize collateral damage. Perhaps an intensive media campaign in the affected areas to humiliate the bad guys for putting civilians at risk by hinding amongst them.

The other option might be covert operations with joint US/Pakistani swat teams.
 
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That is the most callous, hateful statement I have seen in a while.

By your idiotic logic, the families of US marines who died in Lebanon (1983) were fair game.

I agree with both muse and realist here. It's good that we are getting rid of these bad guys, but we must also try to minimize collateral damage. Perhaps an intensive media campaign in the affected areas to humiliate the bad guys for putting civilians at risk by hinding amongst them.

The other option might be covert operations with joint US/Pakistani swat teams.

Afghan talaban are fighting in Afghanistan , controlling 70% area of Afghanistan .

US drone attacks are just show off of technology and strength nothing else.Killing few Afghan cammanders will not resolve Afghan problem.

US should fight and defeat talaban in Afghanistan which they could not be able to do in last eight years.
 
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In my opinion, its not the drone attacks which have caused so much damage to the islamists, infact they were doomed when they opened the gates of war with the muslim coutries govts. who previously had soft corner for them and who considered them as their first line of defence.

things would not trun good for these guirellas unless untill they renounce violence against the govts of muslim countries and keep their words not to attack muslims govts or civillians everafter.

otherwise they would surely be inihialated sooner or later.

USA, Isreal, India and Russia are just trying to capitalize on this opportunity and weaken both govts of islamic countries and islamist groups.

its a 200 years old tactics of divide and rule of the britishers...
 
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