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I would like to make an adjustment to our terminology. To avoid any confusion and potentially making the wrong group annoyed/angry. The world "Afghan" has been used as a synonym for Pakhtoons, for centuries. Thus its synonymous to Pakistani Pakhtoons too.

Now, just because one country choose to call itself "Afghanistan" doesn't make the world "Afghan" synonymous with that one country, alone. Just like how Romania calls itself, that but it does not make them Romans.

When the people of Afghanistan or the puppet regime of Afghanistan acts like a snake against Pakistan. Then we see people calling them, Afghans and hurling insults at them, but infact when you use that terminology it hurts us Pakistani Pakhtoons too. It also causes alot of confusion with both sides and could potentially lead to unwanted circumstances.

A recommendation form an Afghan myself, would be to use the terminology that us Pakistani Pakhtoons use for the people that hail from Afghanistan. We refer to anyone from Afghanistan as being a "Kabuli". Pronounced as "Kabul-eh" or plural as "kabulie". Pronounced as "Kabul-ee"

This world has the same meaning as calling someone from Egypt, Egyptian or a person from china as cheeni. So I would like everyone here to adopt this terminology so to avoid any confusions.

Thank you,
 
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I would like to make an adjustment to our terminology. To avoid any confusion and potentially making the wrong group annoyed/angry. The world "Afghan" has been used as a synonym for Pakhtoons, for centuries. Thus its synonyms to Pakistani Pakhtoons too.

Now, just because one country choose to call itself "Afghanistan" doesn't make the world "Afghan" synonyms with that one country, alone. Just like how Romania calls itself, that but it does not make them Romans.

When the people of Afghanistan or the puppet regime of Afghanistan acts like a snake against Pakistan. Then we see people calling them, Afghans and hurling insults at them, but infact when you use that terminology it hurts us Pakistani Pakhtoons too. It also causes alot of confusion with both sides and could potentially lead to unwanted circumstances.

A recommendation form an Afghan myself, would be to use the terminology that us Pakistani Pakhtoons use for the people that hail from Afghanistan. We refer to anyone from Afghanistan as being a "Kabuli". Pronounced as "Kabul-eh" or plural as "kabulie". Pronounced as "Kabul-ee"

This world has the same meaning as calling someone from Egypt, Egyptian or a person from china as cheeni. So I would like everyone here to adopt this terminology so to avoid any confusions.

Thank you,
 
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I would like to make an adjustment to our terminology. To avoid any confusion and potentially making the wrong group annoyed/angry. The world "Afghan" has been used as a synonym for Pakhtoons, for centuries. Thus its synonyms to Pakistani Pakhtoons too.

Now, just because one country choose to call itself "Afghanistan" doesn't make the world "Afghan" synonyms with that one country, alone. Just like how Romania calls itself, that but it does not make them Romans.

When the people of Afghanistan or the puppet regime of Afghanistan acts like a snake against Pakistan. Then we see people calling them, Afghans and hurling insults at them, but infact when you use that terminology it hurts us Pakistani Pakhtoons too. It also causes alot of confusion with both sides and could potentially lead to unwanted circumstances.

A recommendation form an Afghan myself, would be to use the terminology that us Pakistani Pakhtoons use for the people that hail from Afghanistan. We refer to anyone from Afghanistan as being a "Kabuli". Pronounced as "Kabul-eh" or plural as "kabulie". Pronounced as "Kabul-ee"

This world has the same meaning as calling someone from Egypt, Egyptian or a person from china as cheeni. So I would like everyone here to adopt this terminology so to avoid any confusions.

Thank you,
Nice suggestion

As you have mention other ethnicity of Pakistan does not use the word Afghani as ethnicity extended to whole Pushtu population of Pakistan and in Afghanistan, but to someone from the current state of Afghanistan ....
 
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Nice suggestion

As you have mention other eccentricities of Pakistan does not use the word Afghani as ethnicity extended to whole Pushtu population of Pakistan and in Afghanistan but to someone from the current state of Afghanistan ....
Yes I do realize that but we(pakhtoons) do use the word synonymous with it. So it causes slight confusion but I felt like eradicating this becuse I have been a victim to the confusion on multiple occasions.
 
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Afghan is not synonymous to Pakhtun. If u use it, Correct it my friend. Also Even non pakhtoon afghani call themselves Afghani, I have farsi speaking roomate and he still calls himself afghani so its a wrong number that is being tried to dial. The pakhtoon history by far outdates the afghan identity. Here is a thread if this helps and if not u can search the history for yourself. Abaad o Rokhana Usi. :-)
 
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Yes I do realize that but we(pakhtoons) do use the word synonymous with it. So it causes slight confusion but I felt like eradicating this becuse I have been a victim to the confusion on multiple occasions.
BTW why not the term Pakhtoon is preferred over Afghan as now it is part of the name of Province as well .... though I know the term Afghan, Afghani, Afghania have historical background, but keeping the current history of past 30-40 in mind the Term Afghan/Afghani could be problematic for our Pakhtoons.

Secondly you know in other provinces all Hazara and Panjsheeri and other from North Afghan population is also termed as Afghani in Pakistan so by using the term Afghan as exclusively related to Pakhtoon ethnicity what should those b termed ....??
 
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I would like to make an adjustment to our terminology. To avoid any confusion and potentially making the wrong group annoyed/angry. The world "Afghan" has been used as a synonym for Pakhtoons, for centuries. Thus its synonymous to Pakistani Pakhtoons too.

Now, just because one country choose to call itself "Afghanistan" doesn't make the world "Afghan" synonymous with that one country, alone. Just like how Romania calls itself, that but it does not make them Romans.

When the people of Afghanistan or the puppet regime of Afghanistan acts like a snake against Pakistan. Then we see people calling them, Afghans and hurling insults at them, but infact when you use that terminology it hurts us Pakistani Pakhtoons too. It also causes alot of confusion with both sides and could potentially lead to unwanted circumstances.

A recommendation form an Afghan myself, would be to use the terminology that us Pakistani Pakhtoons use for the people that hail from Afghanistan. We refer to anyone from Afghanistan as being a "Kabuli". Pronounced as "Kabul-eh" or plural as "kabulie". Pronounced as "Kabul-ee"

This world has the same meaning as calling someone from Egypt, Egyptian or a person from china as cheeni. So I would like everyone here to adopt this terminology so to avoid any confusions.

Thank you,

Long overdue post. I welcome this.

We should be very careful about hurting the sentiments of our fellow Pakistanis, regardless of being Pukhtoons, Punjabis, Kashmiris, Muhajirs, Sindhis, Baloch etc.
 
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I would like to make an adjustment to our terminology. To avoid any confusion and potentially making the wrong group annoyed/angry. The world "Afghan" has been used as a synonym for Pakhtoons, for centuries. Thus its synonymous to Pakistani Pakhtoons too.

Now, just because one country choose to call itself "Afghanistan" doesn't make the world "Afghan" synonymous with that one country, alone. Just like how Romania calls itself, that but it does not make them Romans.

When the people of Afghanistan or the puppet regime of Afghanistan acts like a snake against Pakistan. Then we see people calling them, Afghans and hurling insults at them, but infact when you use that terminology it hurts us Pakistani Pakhtoons too. It also causes alot of confusion with both sides and could potentially lead to unwanted circumstances.

A recommendation form an Afghan myself, would be to use the terminology that us Pakistani Pakhtoons use for the people that hail from Afghanistan. We refer to anyone from Afghanistan as being a "Kabuli". Pronounced as "Kabul-eh" or plural as "kabulie". Pronounced as "Kabul-ee"

This world has the same meaning as calling someone from Egypt, Egyptian or a person from china as cheeni. So I would like everyone here to adopt this terminology so to avoid any confusions.

Thank you,
Interesting part is that non pushtoon people from Afghanistan strongly object to be called afghans, there was a whole fight on it when the terminology was used in their ID cards..

BTW why not the term Pakhtoon is preferred over Afghan as now it is part of the name of Province as well .... though I know the term Afghan, Afghani, Afghania have historical background, but keeping the current history of past 30-40 in mind the Term Afghan/Afghani could be problematic for our Pakhtoons.

Secondly you know in other provinces all Hazara and Panjsheeri and other from North Afghan population is also termed as Afghani in Pakistan so by using the term Afghan as exclusively related to Pakhtoon ethnicity what should those b termed ....??
its not easy, you cant change a world which is part of culture, poetry and language..especially poetry and written literature

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...r-id-cards-fuels-ethnic-tension-idUSKBN1FS1Y0

Afghan is not synonymous to Pakhtun. If u use it, Correct it my friend. Also Even non pakhtoon afghani call themselves Afghani, I have farsi speaking roomate and he still calls himself afghani so its a wrong number that is being tried to dial. The pakhtoon history by far outdates the afghan identity. Here is a thread if this helps and if not u can search the history for yourself. Abaad o Rokhana Usi. :-)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...r-id-cards-fuels-ethnic-tension-idUSKBN1FS1Y0
 
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Also Even non pakhtoon afghani call themselves Afghani

Do they ?


New Afghan ID cards, aimed at unifying the country, are doing the opposite
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Afghan President Ashraf Ghani leaves the opening of the first Afghan-India air corridor ceremony in Kabul in 2017. (Wakil Kohsar/AFP/Getty Images)
By Sayed Salahuddin and Pamela Constable
March 10, 2018 at 4:22 PM EST


KABUL — When the new Afghan national ID card was introduced by President Ashraf Ghani at a recent palace ceremony, it was not so much the debut of a technological advance as the denouement of a long battle over old political and ethnic enmities.

The fight over the “e-taskira,” as the biometric card is known, has dragged on since Ghani took office in 2015. After a fraud-plagued election, the new president promised to produce a new identity document that would unite the country and make it almost impossible to steal or falsify votes at the polls.

Yet despite the evident virtues of a foolproof ID card in a country where many adults cannot write and use only one name, the e-taskira has triggered endless suspicion, conspiracy theories and shouting matches over such seemingly simple decisions as whether the card should designate “Afghan” as the nationality for all Afghan citizens.

In essence, the card has become a high-tech proxy for the unresolved conflicts that drove Afghanistan to civil war in the early 1990s, sweeping the extremist Taliban movement to power as the country deteriorated into interethnic savagery and chaos.

No one has come to blows yet, but heated political battles over whether and how to identify cardholders by ethnicity and “nationality”— a term commonly used here to mean one’s tribe — have disrupted and delayed production of the new cards for several years. At one point, a batch of several million newly minted cards had to be thrown out and redesigned.

On the surface, the official version of the card appeared to be a compromise. It described every citizen as an “Afghan” by nationality, as stated in the constitution, while allowing each one to choose an ethnic identity from any of the 14 groups listed in the charter as well. The largest of those is Pashtun, followed by Tajik, Hazara and Uzbek.


But even during the long-awaited palace rollout Feb. 16 — where Ghani, his wife, Rula Ghani, and his second vice president, Sarwar Danish, signed up for the first three cards — controversy continued to rage inside and outside the government.

Abdullah Abdullah, Afghanistan’s chief executive and Ghani’s governing partner, did not appear at the event and called for the announcement to be delayed, warning that it could precipitate a political crisis. The ceremony was attended by Ghani’s aides and some cabinet ministers but boycotted by others from ethnic minorities or loyal to Abdullah.

The government should not create problems among the people by issuing decrees that contravene the people’s will,” Abdullah said at a separate public ceremony the same day. “In this critical situation, a non-calculated word and a non-calculated move against the people can create a big challenge. We should not try to go from crisis to crisis.”

The “non-calculated word” was “Afghan.” Leaders of the large Tajik-led party Jamiat-i-Islami — to which Abdullah belongs — objected to the use of “Afghan” as a universal nationality, because it has historically been synonymous with “Pashtun,” the numerically dominant tribe that ruled the country for three centuries



They accused Ghani, a Pashtun who plans to run for reelection next year, of using his executive powers for political gain after he overruled a law passed by parliament in 2015 — and originally signed by him — that said the cards would not use the word “Afghan” or mention ethnic background at all.

The harshest reaction came from Atta Mohammad Noor, the powerful and wealthy governor of Balkh province and a Jamiat leader. He has refused to relinquish the governorship since the president tried to fire him in December, and he is now expected to challenge Ghani in the presidential race.

At a recent gathering of supporters, Atta warned that distributing cards with the word “Afghan” as the universal nationality would “divide the country in two parts” and bring “the dangerous smell of deadly fights and disintegration.” The former militia leader has made past threats to unleash violent protests unless Jamiat is given more power and perks.

Public reaction to the new card was mixed. Many Afghans agreed it was valuable tool to reduce voter fraud and provide an accurate count of ethnic populations. With no national census conducted since the 1970s, groups have inflated their numbers to enhance political clout. Some dismissed the contretemps over the word “Afghan” as overblown.

If there are those who do not like to be named as Afghans, then they should leave Afghanistan,” said Abdul Qadir Qalatwal, a Pashtun legislator from the south. But Fawzia Koofi, a liberal lawmaker from the north, said the original law agreed on in parliament should have been implemented. “Afghanistan needs a standard ID card with no mention of ethnicity or nationality,” she said.


Palace officials said the decision to use the term “Afghan” was based strictly on the constitution and should be respected by all citizens. But Abdullah’s comment reflected growing concern about tensions between majority Pashtuns and various ethnic minorities in the run-up to elections, in which ethnic identity and loyalty count more than any other factor.

The issue of voter fraud was also a crucial factor in the disastrous 2014 electoral contest between Abdullah and Ghani. Abdullah, who is half Tajik and half Pashtun, won the first polling round but lost to Ghani in the second. That contest, however, was so discredited by fraud that it was deemed inconclusive, and the two men were forced to share power in a U.S.-brokered pact.

Despite the high-level opposition, officials are continuing with the enrollment process for cards as announced, though registration has been slow. One minor, somewhat quirky, reason is a boycott by a handful of tiny ethnic groups that object to the new cards because their groups are not listed among the choices.


“I hope this issue doesn’t become a major headache, but we will not compromise our identities as Sadat, as Bayat, as Qarlug, or as Khalili,” said Ishaq Gailani, a Pashtun politician from a prominent religious family and a member of the Sadat tribe.

Ghani, perhaps hoping to placate at least a few minority voters, has said it may be possible to add them to the list.

Constable reported from Islamabad.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...b05128-1c9b-11e8-98f5-ceecfa8741b6_story.html
 
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Interesting part is that non pushtoon people from Afghanistan strongly object to be called afghans, there was a whole fight on it when the terminology was used in their ID cards..
Do they ?
Yes, U r right. While they (my room mate his friends) have been Ok with being called Afghani (considering as reference to Afghanistan) here outside the country but the he does reveal that locally they do call only pashtuns as afghan, so yes I hadn't understood it right. Thank you for correction.
P.S. The word afghan still also refer to Afghanistan nationals even in their constitution (I read and heard), though the ID issue clears that afghan word be used synonym for ethnic Pashtuns. The word etmology also reveals it is of persian speaking (second largest ethnic group in Afghanistan) origin to identify the pashtuns. As it stands pashtun and afghan are synonym, (in Afghanistan specifically) but why should it be the case in our country too, as it is getting. In pak, as far as i know, we have been called pathan or at tyms khan, never afghan by the other ecthnic groups. Still the fact remains. I personally, would still have and do prefer to be called Pashtun rather than afghan ( a word that can be attributed dual meanings)
Somehow I feel for the ethnic minorities of all the places/regions/states/provinces whose name is attributed to a specific ethnicity but historically regional identity is i guess bound to popular ethnic identity of the region.
 
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Yes, U r right. While they (my room mate his friends) have been Ok with being called Afghani (considering as reference to Afghanistan) here outside the country but the he does reveal that locally they do call only pashtuns as afghan, so yes I hadn't understood it right. Thank you for correction.
P.S. The word afghan still also refer to Afghanistan nationals even in their constitution (I read and heard), though the ID issue clears that afghan word be used synonym for ethnic Pashtuns. The word etmology also reveals it is of persian speaking (second largest ethnic group in Afghanistan) origin to identify the pashtuns. As it stands pashtun and afghan are synonym, (in Afghanistan specifically) but why should it be the case in our country too, as it is getting. In pak, as far as i know, we have been called pathan or at tyms khan, never afghan by the other ecthnic groups. Still the fact remains. I personally, would still have and do prefer to be called Pashtun rather than afghan ( a word that can be attributed dual meanings)
Somehow I feel for the ethnic minorities of all the places/regions/states/provinces whose name is attributed to a specific ethnicity but historically regional identity is i guess bound to popular ethnic identity of the region.


Pathan is something that came from other languages for us, like From urdu speakers, punjabi, sindhi, baloch, hindko etc... Khan is from mongols.. Afghan is more natural and relatively true identity word.
 
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Origin of Khan is connected to Mongol Epire reign in region for 100-200 years
It was common last name to honor the Mongol King

Khan last name also is present in some Hong Kong citizen name or Chinese citizen

The name may have existed before Gengis Khan's usage, but it became widely popular as he was the great conqueror of his time

Not necessarily known for great mercy Mongols were known to be ruthless

However no real detail exist of how the name gained such wide popularity


This is the family tree for Muslim Dynasty in 1000 AD in

Khwarazmian Empire
The Khwarazmian (English: /kwəˈræzmiən/) dynasty was a Persianate Sunni Muslim dynasty of Turkic mamluk origin

They lived side by side Ayubi Dynasty
after the fall of empire to Mongols the warriors in this Dynasty became mercenaries and they even joined forces with Ayyubi Dynasty

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According to this tree , the Khan name existed in Iran and in Muslim Dynasty before Mongol Invasion
 
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Afghan is natural true identity word.
As far the etymology of the words go, Afghan is a persian word which as per encyclopedia Iranica, is used by persian people (and adopted by other non-pashtun people) of the afghanistan region to call Pashtuns.
 
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