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Ten myths about Pakistan
4 Jan 2009, 0032 hrs IST, Mohammed Hanif


Living in Pakistan and reading about it in the Indian press can sometimes be quite a disorienting experience: one wonders what place on earth
they're talking about? I wouldn't be surprised if an Indian reader going through Pakistani papers has asked the same question in recent days. Here are some common assumptions about Pakistan and its citizens that I have come across in the Indian media...

Pakistan controls the jihadis: Or Pakistan's government controls the jihadis. Or Pakistan Army controls the jihadis. Or ISI controls the jihadis. Or some rogue elements from the ISI control the Jihadis. Nobody knows the whole truth but increasingly it's the tail that wags the dog. We must remember that the ISI-Jihadi alliance was a marriage of convenience, which has broken down irrevocably. Pakistan army has lost more soldiers at the hands of these jihadis than it ever did fighting India.

Musharraf was in control, Zardari is not: Let's not forget that General Musharraf seized power after he was fired from his job as the army chief by an elected prime minister. Musharraf first appeased jihadis, then bombed them, and then appeased them again. The country he left behind has become a very dangerous place, above all for its own citizens. There is a latent hankering in sections of the Indian middle class for a strongman. Give Manmohan Singh a military uniform, put all the armed forces under his direct command, make his word the law of the land, and he too will go around thumping his chest saying that it's his destiny to save India from Indians . Zardari will never have the kind of control that Musharraf had. But Pakistanis do not want another Musharraf.

Pakistan, which Pakistan? For a small country, Pakistan is very diverse, not only ethnically but politically as well. General Musharraf's government bombed Pashtuns in the north for being Islamists and close to the Taliban and at the same time it bombed Balochs in the South for NOT being Islamists and for subscribing to some kind of retro-socialist, anti Taliban ethos. You have probably heard the joke about other countries having armies but Pakistan's army having a country. Nobody in Pakistan finds it funny.

Pakistan and its loose nukes: Pakistan's nuclear programme is under a sophisticated command and control system, no more under threat than India or Israel's nuclear assets are threatened by Hindu or Jewish extremists. For a long time Pakistan's security establishment's other strategic asset was jihadi organisations, which in the last couple of years have become its biggest liability.

Pakistan is a failed state: If it is, then Pakistanis have not noticed. Or they have lived in it for such a long time that they have become used to its dysfunctional aspects. Trains are late but they turn up, there are more VJs, DJs, theatre festivals, melas, and fashion models than a failed state can accommodate. To borrow a phrase from President Zardari, there are lots of non-state actors like Abdul Sattar Edhi who provide emergency health services, orphanages and shelters for sick animals.

It is a deeply religious country: Every half-decent election in this country has proved otherwise. Religious parties have never won more than a fraction of popular vote. Last year Pakistan witnessed the largest civil rights movements in the history of this region. It was spontaneous, secular and entirely peaceful. But since people weren't raising anti-India or anti-America slogans, nobody outside Pakistan took much notice.

All Pakistanis hate India: Three out of four provinces in Pakistan - Sindh, Baluchistan, NWFP - have never had any popular anti-India sentiment ever. Punjabis who did impose India as enemy-in-chief on Pakistan are now more interested in selling potatoes to India than destroying it. There is a new breed of al-Qaida inspired jihadis who hate a woman walking on the streets of Karachi as much as they hate a woman driving a car on the streets of Delhi. In fact there is not much that they do not hate: they hate America, Denmark, China CDs, barbers, DVDs , television, even football. Imran Khan recently said that these jihadis will never attack a cricket match but nobody takes him seriously.

Training camps: There are militant sanctuaries in the tribal areas of Pakistan but definitely not in Muzaffarabad or Muridke, two favourite targets for Indian journalists, probably because those are the cities they have ever been allowed to visit. After all how much training do you need if you are going to shoot at random civilians or blow yourself up in a crowded bazaar? So if anyone thinks a few missiles targeted at Muzaffarabad will teach anyone a lesson, they should switch off their TV and try to locate it on the map.

RAW would never do what ISI does: Both the agencies have had a brilliant record of creating mayhem in the neighbouring countries. Both have a dismal record when it comes to protecting their own people. There is a simple reason that ISI is a bigger, more notorious brand name: It was CIA's franchise during the jihad against the Soviets. And now it's busy doing jihad against those very jihadis.

Pakistan is poor, India is rich: Pakistanis visiting India till the mid-eighties came back very smug. They told us about India's slums, and that there was nothing to buy except handicrafts and saris. Then Pakistanis could say with justifiable pride that nobody slept hungry in their country. But now, not only do people sleep hungry in both the countries, they also commit suicide because they see nothing but a lifetime of hunger ahead. A debt-ridden farmer contemplating suicide in Maharashtra and a mother who abandons her children in Karachi because she can't feed them: this is what we have achieved in our mutual desire to teach each other a lesson.

The writer is the author of 'A Case of Exploding Mangoes'

Ten myths about Pakistan-Deep Focus-Sunday TOI-The Times of India

I had to agree with most of what the writer had written but not all of em.. but worth a read to get some perspectives right.. !!!
 
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I would like to see the other side of the coin too.. For our friends here, who go by the various NGO statistics of millions dying in poverty daily and of the millions who relish Cow urine across India
 
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I would like to see the other side of the coin too.. For our friends here, who go by the various NGO statistics of millions dying in poverty daily and of the millions who relish Cow urine across India

The cow urine jokes are stupid... they are the work of perverts used to fighting and bashing others on the net rather than debate or errr... what i call entertainment on the net... sometimes they are used by someone who gets pissed off by Indian hindu terrorists on the net (there are many)

Hindus and Muslims are brothers. There are Hindus in Pakistan and I am willing to die for them just like each other nationalist. Pakistan and Pakistani nationalism comes before everything.

The article is however the work of a person who has little understanding of the ground realities and facts and he has most likely had some trouble in life. :D
 
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The cow urine jokes are stupid... they are the work of perverts used to fighting and bashing others on the net rather than debate or errr... what i call entertainment on the net... sometimes they are used by someone who gets pissed off by Indian hindu terrorists on the net (there are many)

Point taken :enjoy: still.. Doesnt look nice when people get nasty on the net.

Hindus and Muslims are brothers. There are Hindus in Pakistan and I am willing to die for them just like each other nationalist. Pakistan and Pakistani nationalism comes before everything.

:enjoy: Best quote from a pakistani.. I am gonna put this in my signature! seriously!

The article is however the work of a person who has little understanding of the ground realities and facts and he has most likely had some trouble in life. :D

If you can post the ground realities, there are many like me who will sincerely appreciate your efforts. :) and one might probably appreciate and return the gesture!

And i think one of my first posts, probably the one among the first 5 deals exactly with this! :) try going thru it if possible !
 
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Do we really need to change the opinion of Indians in our favor, i seriously dont think so. Everybody is entitled to his/her opinion and if they want to keep a negative opinion about pakistan, if they think we are a terrorist nation, if they think we are a failed state or if they think that Pakistan army and ISI are rogue institutes, i say let them think so, it is not going to change a damn thing or in any manner hurt us.
India has all long tried to declare Pakistan a failed state, have we been declared one, the answer is No. India has all long tried Pakistan to be declared a terrorist state, have we been declared as one, the answer is again No. Even during the recent events in Mumbai, India tried its level best to make sure that Pakistan earns an international condemnation and be declared as a terrorist sponsoring country or the least ISI to be declared as a terrorist organisation, did it happen again No it did not happen.
Fact is that Pakistan has its own importence and no matter what India or Indians think, will not change a damn thing as far as Pakistan is concerned. Heck India could not even block the military deals with Pakistan. Countires dont do military deals with failed or a terrorist state.
 
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Do we really need to change the opinion of Indians in our favor, i seriously dont think so.
No need to change... previously only India used to have bad opinion about Pak but now lot more countries are converging in the opinion... so what's the big deal... no need to change...

India has all long tried to declare Pakistan a failed state, have we been declared one, the answer is No. India has all long tried Pakistan to be declared a terrorist state, have we been declared as one, the answer is again No.
India still wishes to see a stable Pakistan... Only the reports by international organization, major/minor electronic/pring/audio/video media and including your OWN national leaders are speaking about Pakistan resembling failed state. If you are so pissed off then you first try to stop them from making such statements...

Fact is that Pakistan has its own importence and no matter what India or Indians think, will not change a damn thing as far as Pakistan is concerned. Heck India could not even block the military deals with Pakistan. Countires dont do military deals with failed or a terrorist state.
A nation's prestige depends on whether it is important for +ve or -ve things... please remember the future of your country is dependent only on what you are important for.
 
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dont care what indians think :coffee:

Most of the Indians are really confused on pakistan stand towards terrors. I spoke to many ppl; but never got a clear answer that I can understnad well.
Pakistan supported the terrors(pakistanis refer them as freedom fighters) in kashmir. Even Kargil time samething happened. I kind of understand pakistan wants kashmir to be its part so they support the movement. But the same group on the otherside of the border fights with pakistan army.

can someone in the forum give some details about this ...
 
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No need to change... previously only India used to have bad opinion about Pak but now lot more countries are converging in the opinion... so what's the big deal... no need to change...

Really! care to elaborate on which countries, guess you did not read my post, countries dont do defence deal with terrorist nations or countires, that should be enough for your kind to quit dreaming about getting Pakistan declared a failed and a terrorist state.


India still wishes to see a stable Pakistan... Only the reports by international organization, major/minor electronic/pring/audio/video media and including your OWN national leaders are speaking about Pakistan resembling failed state. If you are so pissed off then you first try to stop them from making such statements...

SHut the **** up. You have absolutely no clue of what you are talking about other then ofcourse what you Indians are really good at, RANT. Was the reality too bitter to accept that Pakistanis dont give a two cent crap about what India or Indians think about Pakistan. Really accept it, the sooner you do the better it will be.


A nation's prestige depends on whether it is important for +ve or -ve things... please remember the future of your country is dependent only on what you are important for.

Finally some sense prevailing, to answer it, i'll suggest you read my previous post again. Pakistan has alot more importence then you think or your media makes you believe. India wanted to isolate Pakistan, how far has it been successful, YOur country has realized that and the result is showing on your very own media who accepted the defeat, its about time you wake up too and smell the real coffee here.
 
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can someone in the forum give some details about this ...

For what? To feed the trolls here. Get it over with. You can keep any opinion you like about Pakistan, we dont give a damn about it.
 
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Most of the Indians are really confused on pakistan stand towards terrors. I spoke to many ppl; but never got a clear answer that I can understnad well.
Pakistan supported the terrors(pakistanis refer them as freedom fighters) in kashmir. Even Kargil time samething happened. I kind of understand pakistan wants kashmir to be its part so they support the movement. But the same group on the otherside of the border fights with pakistan army.

can someone in the forum give some details about this ...

those terrorists ur talking about are victims of the indian army suppression in ihk
the only reason we supported them is because we like them as well as every other kashmiri wants india out the region
and pak army is fighting with the taliban not the freedom fighters
 
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