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Telangana: Fears of exclusion, ethnic profiling as KCR govt's survey kicks off


Hyderabad: The Telangana government's insistence on a comprehensive household socio-economic survey has triggered apprehension of exclusion among residents of twin cities of Hyderabad and Secunderabad and other Telangana districts too. Chastened by the strong political and public reaction to the nativity question it raised, the government is less open about the subject now, but it appears to be pushing through its agenda a secretive manner.

No amount of assurance by Telangana ministers – latest is from IT Minister KT Rama Rao – that the comprehensive survey is not intended at frightening people and discriminating against anybody on the basis of their nativity has been able to allay the fears of the residents. The government has declared a public holiday on 19 August and urged everyone to stay at home to cooperate with the surveyors. Over 84 lakh families in the state would be enumerated by more than four lakh employees drawn from various departments and each staffer will be allotted around 20-25 households, including thatched houses, makeshift sheds and temporary accommodations without registration, apart from other permanent houses.


Telangana Chief Minister K Chandrasekhar Rao. PTI



The real intention of the government comes clear in the last columns of 21, 22 and 23 in a special box under the header 'Division I' which clearly seeks to elicit information on the nativity of the survey targets. The special box has a headline specifically mentioning "the details of those who migrated from other states". The questions asked are: 21. From which State have you come? 22. Language spoken, and 23. Year of migration.

These three questions are seen as an attempt to delineate people of Andhra origin from others on the basis of their nativity. This is seen as an attempt to implement the hidden agenda of the Telangana government, said Telugu Desam Parliamentary Party leader YS Chowdary at a press conference in New Delhi on Tuesday. He minced no words in suggesting that the ways adopted by Chief Minister K Chandrasekhar Rao are indeed frightening the people. Similar view was expressed by Ganta Srinivasa Rao, Minister for HRD in Andhra Pradesh government.

The questions in the survey raise several questions:

1. Why does the government want to know which state the people have come from and since when are they living in their present location? What does the government do with the reply to the 23rd query on the ‘year of migration’?

2. Why does the government want to know the bank account number when they are anyway linked to Permanent Account Numbers and CIBIL and when the government already has the data?

3. The questions under 'Division – B' regarding religion and caste are surely a cause of embarrassment. What if two generations in a family are married into different castes and the progeny cannot identify himself with one caste? Of course, democracy and electoral politics in most parts of India hover around religion and caste, what is raising many an eyebrow is the question on whether the government trying to identify and nurse newer constituencies?

4. In the same 'Division-B', column 6 deals with information on the gas connections. Supposing, two brothers are staying as a joint family, they will have to furnish the details of their respective families, though under one address, as separate units and can show separate connections. However, it applies only if the cooking is done separately. But if the kitchen is the same, the surveyor is asked to treat it as one family unit. This is causing confusion among joint families.

5. The government is insisting that all the members of every family must be present at home during the survey and if there is anybody who is absent, the family will have to produce a proof of that person’s credentials. What if a father cannot flash an evidence to prove that his son is employed in Indian Army and serving elsewhere?

6. The Greater Hyderabad Municipal Corporation commissioner has issued a statement asking people to keep Xerox copies of 18 different documents to be submitted to the surveyors. The long list includes receipts of property tax, water tax, LPG supply, bank passbooks, Adhar card, caste certificate, birth certificate, registration certificate of vehicles, ration card, voter ID, mobile phone bill, PAN card, property documents, etc. There is every possibility of some people not having voter ID. What if the family head doesn't have a voter ID or an Aadhar card? What does the government do with the copy of a birth certificate?

7. Most people may not have bank passbooks, because many banks are not issuing the same after online banking and mobile banking have become the order of the day. Many would not have mobile phone bills, as most users are saving on the bill amount by avoiding printed bills. Some service providers don’t even issue electronic bills and some put an asterisk asking people not to print the same to minimize deforestation. How do they produce copies of these?

8. What happens to wage-earners who cannot afford to skip work and don’t have a permanent address? Would they never be counted as being alive? Would the survey encompass defence quarters and military areas and inpatients of hospitals?

A myriad other doubts like these are bothering the people in the state. Though the government is contemplating a single-day survey to avoid any intentional duplication of enumeration by mischief-mongers, it is very unlikely that the process can be complete in just one day. Also, it is not clear whether the government is capable of imparting training to all the surveyors in just one week.

The state government is proposing to complete the computerization of the data by 4 September and is likely to launch another massive activity to crosscheck the veracity of the details provided by the people. While the official explanation is that is intended at enlisting the people for extending the government benefits and schemes to the needy, the real motive remains suspect.


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Abuses Chandrababu Naidu on daily basis.

Considers himself Nizam of Telangana.

Daughter says Kashmir and Telangana are not part of India.

Chuddy Buddy with Owasis brothers.

Got a state because dying Congress wanted Telangana votes.

Is Telangana destines to become a cesspit of Maoism, Islamofascism, and racism?

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The next state to fall to the BJP :) Another 5 years guys, just hold on.

the guy while electioneering said that Telangana will have it's first Dalit hief Minister. After his party won, KCR became the CM

:tsk:
 
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Telangana: Fears of exclusion, ethnic profiling as KCR govt's survey kicks off


Hyderabad: The Telangana government's insistence on a comprehensive household socio-economic survey has triggered apprehension of exclusion among residents of twin cities of Hyderabad and Secunderabad and other Telangana districts too. Chastened by the strong political and public reaction to the nativity question it raised, the government is less open about the subject now, but it appears to be pushing through its agenda a secretive manner.

No amount of assurance by Telangana ministers – latest is from IT Minister KT Rama Rao – that the comprehensive survey is not intended at frightening people and discriminating against anybody on the basis of their nativity has been able to allay the fears of the residents. The government has declared a public holiday on 19 August and urged everyone to stay at home to cooperate with the surveyors. Over 84 lakh families in the state would be enumerated by more than four lakh employees drawn from various departments and each staffer will be allotted around 20-25 households, including thatched houses, makeshift sheds and temporary accommodations without registration, apart from other permanent houses.


Telangana Chief Minister K Chandrasekhar Rao. PTI



The real intention of the government comes clear in the last columns of 21, 22 and 23 in a special box under the header 'Division I' which clearly seeks to elicit information on the nativity of the survey targets. The special box has a headline specifically mentioning "the details of those who migrated from other states". The questions asked are: 21. From which State have you come? 22. Language spoken, and 23. Year of migration.

These three questions are seen as an attempt to delineate people of Andhra origin from others on the basis of their nativity. This is seen as an attempt to implement the hidden agenda of the Telangana government, said Telugu Desam Parliamentary Party leader YS Chowdary at a press conference in New Delhi on Tuesday. He minced no words in suggesting that the ways adopted by Chief Minister K Chandrasekhar Rao are indeed frightening the people. Similar view was expressed by Ganta Srinivasa Rao, Minister for HRD in Andhra Pradesh government.

The questions in the survey raise several questions:

1. Why does the government want to know which state the people have come from and since when are they living in their present location? What does the government do with the reply to the 23rd query on the ‘year of migration’?

2. Why does the government want to know the bank account number when they are anyway linked to Permanent Account Numbers and CIBIL and when the government already has the data?

3. The questions under 'Division – B' regarding religion and caste are surely a cause of embarrassment. What if two generations in a family are married into different castes and the progeny cannot identify himself with one caste? Of course, democracy and electoral politics in most parts of India hover around religion and caste, what is raising many an eyebrow is the question on whether the government trying to identify and nurse newer constituencies?

4. In the same 'Division-B', column 6 deals with information on the gas connections. Supposing, two brothers are staying as a joint family, they will have to furnish the details of their respective families, though under one address, as separate units and can show separate connections. However, it applies only if the cooking is done separately. But if the kitchen is the same, the surveyor is asked to treat it as one family unit. This is causing confusion among joint families.

5. The government is insisting that all the members of every family must be present at home during the survey and if there is anybody who is absent, the family will have to produce a proof of that person’s credentials. What if a father cannot flash an evidence to prove that his son is employed in Indian Army and serving elsewhere?

6. The Greater Hyderabad Municipal Corporation commissioner has issued a statement asking people to keep Xerox copies of 18 different documents to be submitted to the surveyors. The long list includes receipts of property tax, water tax, LPG supply, bank passbooks, Adhar card, caste certificate, birth certificate, registration certificate of vehicles, ration card, voter ID, mobile phone bill, PAN card, property documents, etc. There is every possibility of some people not having voter ID. What if the family head doesn't have a voter ID or an Aadhar card? What does the government do with the copy of a birth certificate?

7. Most people may not have bank passbooks, because many banks are not issuing the same after online banking and mobile banking have become the order of the day. Many would not have mobile phone bills, as most users are saving on the bill amount by avoiding printed bills. Some service providers don’t even issue electronic bills and some put an asterisk asking people not to print the same to minimize deforestation. How do they produce copies of these?

8. What happens to wage-earners who cannot afford to skip work and don’t have a permanent address? Would they never be counted as being alive? Would the survey encompass defence quarters and military areas and inpatients of hospitals?

A myriad other doubts like these are bothering the people in the state. Though the government is contemplating a single-day survey to avoid any intentional duplication of enumeration by mischief-mongers, it is very unlikely that the process can be complete in just one day. Also, it is not clear whether the government is capable of imparting training to all the surveyors in just one week.

The state government is proposing to complete the computerization of the data by 4 September and is likely to launch another massive activity to crosscheck the veracity of the details provided by the people. While the official explanation is that is intended at enlisting the people for extending the government benefits and schemes to the needy, the real motive remains suspect.


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Calls Modi Fascist.

Abuses Chandrababu Naidu on daily basis.

Considers himself Nizam of Telangana.

Daughter says Kashmir and Telangana are not part of India.

Chuddy Buddy with Owasis brothers.

Got a state because dying Congress wanted Telangana votes.

Is Telangana destines to become a cesspit of Maoism, Islamofascism, and racism?

@arp2041 @Star Wars @Sidak @KS @wolfschanzze @Android @NKVD @Jason bourne @HariPrasad @GreenFoe @jha @AugenBlick @Dem!god @JanjaWeed @jbond197 @Soumitra @Indischer @SarthakGanguly @Butchcassidy @indiatester @halupridol @he-man @jiki @Proud Hindu @kbd-raaf @Dillinger @Ravi Nair @jha @MST @ExtraOdinary @nair @jbgt90 @INDIC @Contrarian and anyone else.
The nativity section was removed from forms,it was not necessary to conduct such profiling,disclosing details was optional,the survey also included number of pets, vehicles, tv,refrigirators etc.The promises he made before elections can't be done as he has not got any money and he is hostile to Center due to prodding by MIM,So he is trying to cut expenses by eliminating people from state benefits by such survey
Wait another 5 years TRS will fall , BJP would rule the state.
His love for NIZAM and MIM(owaisi brothers) will only hasten their downfall.
Telangana people have a Anti-Nizam history, those in cahoots with such nizams,razakars wont survive long.
The sole reason TRS won(that too by not overwhelming majority) was because of Telangana separation people gave him credit for it, it wont happen next time.
 
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The nativity section was removed from forms,it was not necessary to conduct such profiling,disclosing details was optional,the survey also included number of pets, vehicles, tv,refrigirators etc.The promises he made before elections can't be done as he has not got any money and he is hostile to Center due to prodding by MIM,So he is trying to cut expenses by eliminating people from state benefits by such survey
Wait another 5 years TRS will fall , BJP would rule the state.
His love for NIZAM and MIM(owaisi brothers) will only hasten their downfall.
Telangana people have a Anti-Nizam history, those in cahoots with such nizams,razakars wont survive long.
The sole reason TRS won(that too by not overwhelming majority) was because of Telangana separation people gave him credit for it, it wont happen next time.
Could as well be TDP considering that they did a decent job in Telangana
 
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Utter non sense.The survey was over and there isn't a single question on the nativity.The survey was conducted to implement welfare schemes in an effective way.
 
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Utter non sense.The survey was over and there isn't a single question on the nativity.The survey was conducted to implement welfare schemes in an effective way.

You don't need BS surveys to implement welfare scheme :P

In Kondapur where I have a house it was raining the day surveyors were supposed to come so they sent out a message that apt owners should come to a community centre to help them do the survey. Not a single house owner from my apt. went there :P

The whole thing was a farce, the real reason is something else. Nothing good, I am sure.
 
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Let me make some things clear for people not familiar wth KCR or TRS or Telangana.

There is no question of corruption involving KCR or any of his family members as for now and it will remain as such. KCR is the best person with good knowledge in every aspect of Telangana. He may play politics to get the CM post, but the thing is once he became CM, he is doing his best.

KCR did decent job as CM for this first three months time. He is trying to change things, remove corruption, take back occupied government lands, make Hyderabad safe and better city. KTR his son is doing great job in promoting IT in Hyderabad. Wait for 3 years and you will see development in Telangana. I hate when some one comments with out knowledge on ground realities. The only problem Telangana facing is power crisis. T government is trying every possible way to handle power crisis.

The survey was not perfect, but it is not over yet. The details are are digitally stored and are used in every welfare schemes. It helped in identifying more houses and helps in detecting massive corruption in Indiira house scheme.
 
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Let me make some things clear for people not familiar wth KCR or TRS or Telangana.

There is no question of corruption involving KCR or any of his family members as for now and it will remain as such. KCR is the best person with good knowledge in every aspect of Telangana. He may play politics to get the CM post, but the thing is once he became CM, he is doing his best.

KCR did decent job as CM for this first three months time. He is trying to change things, remove corruption, take back occupied government lands, make Hyderabad safe and better city. KTR his son is doing great job in promoting IT in Hyderabad. Wait for 3 years and you will see development in Telangana. I hate when some one comments with out knowledge on ground realities. The only problem Telangana facing is power crisis. T government is trying every possible way to handle power crisis.

The survey was not perfect, but it is not over yet. The details are are digitally stored and are used in every welfare schemes. It helped in identifying more houses and helps in detecting massive corruption in Indiira house scheme.

What is your opinion on the 12 % reservations for muslims announced by the same KCR :cheesy: ........... do you see that as an evidence of corruption ? or is only monitory corruption valid for you ??

....an decision which is against the constitution since we have declared ourself "secular" :P
 
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What is your opinion on the 12 % reservations for muslims announced by the same KCR :cheesy: ........... do you see that as an evidence of corruption ? or is only monitory corruption valid for you ??

....an decision which is against the constitution since we have declared ourself "secular" :P
I do not support reservation based on religion. That being said final decision will be made only with the permission from Supreme court. Even YSR government tried for reservation for muslims for 5% which was rejected by Supreme Court I guess.

Its not corruption but minority appeasement. If that reservation will take Muslim votes from Majlis partty to TRS I will be the happiest person on earth. There is a big difference between corruption and Vote bank politics.
 
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I do not support reservation based on religion. That being said final decision will be made only with the permission from Supreme court. Even YSR government tried for reservation for muslims for 5% which was rejected by Supreme Court I guess.

Its not corruption but minority appeasement. If that reservation will take Muslim votes from Majlis partty to TRS I will be the happiest person on earth. There is a big difference between corruption and Vote bank politics.


LOL...that is illogical.

If you support KCR who has declared this muslim reservation it is equal to you supporting reservations for muslims. That is how democracy works. We choose leaders who reflect our point of view :cheesy:

What has YSR or SC got to do with this ?

Moral corruption, political corruption, etc ...are all various forms of corruption.

BTW no amount of reservation is going to turn the muslims away from the Majlis :disagree: That is a most absurd belief. Its like saying muslims would turn away from the muslim league and vote for the congress. History says otherwise.
 
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You don't need BS surveys to implement welfare scheme :P

In Kondapur where I have a house it was raining the day surveyors were supposed to come so they sent out a message that apt owners should come to a community centre to help them do the survey. Not a single house owner from my apt. went there :P

The whole thing was a farce, the real reason is something else. Nothing good, I am sure.

There was no rain that day. :lol::lol:
 
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This again defies logic. KCR only rubber stamped a decision. Your own link says,

During the counselling which began on August 14, only 141 engineering colleges out of 315 in Telangana were given permission to take part while others were denied it as they lacked the facilities required as per the All India Council of Technical Education (AICTE) guidelines. However, as of now, 95,000 engineering seats are available for 84,888 students who qualified Eamcet-2014 in the engineering stream in Telangana. Since enough seats are available, it is unlikely that the barred colleges would get any students even if they are allowed to participate in the second phase of the counseling. Also, going by the current pace of certificate verification, only about 60,000 students are likely to take admission.


Nobody would have taken admission in these colleges anyway. They would have shut down anyway, KCR or no KCR.
 
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