Technically ill-matched Indian Air Force losing ground to PAF

[I M Sikander]

Chinese crap superior to anything else??..only in china and pakistan and north Korea.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Please dont underestimate us again.

We have seen your so called " capabilities "

Everytime there is some tension you bring out the nukes

That is all you have

 

[assassin123]

technically ill mathched IAF???
IAF has got far higher number of 4.5 gen aircraft than PAF.
su 30 MKI: ~180.
mirage 2000: 54( currently being upgraded to 4.5 gen standard ie,mirage 2.5k.)
MIG 29UPG : 66 (not counting the 44MIG 29k of IN)
thats a total of 300 aircraft.

now taking PAF into account(4.5 gen jets)
f 16 blk 52+: 18.
f 16 A/B MLU :41.(upgraded to blk 52+ std)
thats only 59
and still your media is calling IAF ill matched

 

[Manindra]

Sorry for an off topic question,
Just wondering if you have had any exposure to tech transfer project, Internal or external.?

You stinky coward mass murderer supporter yindoo baniya asking question from White American.
How dare you

 

[Last Samuri]

The opening poster is correct.

The IAF with its near 400 SU30MKI /MIG29/MIRAGE2000 fleet is techinicall il matched against PLAAF. & PAF combined

BUT will PAF & PLAAF fight IAF together. GOD for bid what if its just PAF alone

Yes IAF needs to modernise and QUICKLY.

They have the GDP and budget and offers of virtally any fighter in the world be it French usa or Russian.

god forbid if those idiot indians actually got it together and actually spent some of their billions $$4

ITS A WORRY BUT THEY HAVE THE MONEY AND OPTIONS TO CHANGE IT

 

[Jammer]

"Speak softly and carry a big stick", probably my most favorite quote. Not pointing fingers at any body but perhaps we should refrain from paper bravado and enjoy watching the excellent work that the PAF is doing.
It also leads to idiotic remarks from our cross border rivals, overall the quality of the forum suffers.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

technically ill mathched IAF???
IAF has got far higher number of 4.5 gen aircraft than PAF.
su 30 MKI: ~180.
mirage 2000: 54( currently being upgraded to 4.5 gen standard ie,mirage 2.5k.)
MIG 29UPG : 66 (not counting the 44MIG 29k of IN)
thats a total of 300 aircraft.

now taking PAF into account(4.5 gen jets)
f 16 blk 52+: 18.
f 16 A/B MLU :41.(upgraded to blk 52+ std)
thats only 59
and still your media is calling IAF ill matched

In 65 and 71 war IAF was also .5 and 1 generation ahead of PAF.

 

[fatman17]

Poor maintenance and outdated aircrafts mar Indian Air Force’s capability to match PAF or the Chinese air force.

Defense PSU HAL has been unable to properly maintain, update or equip IAF with the essentials needed to put forth a respectable challenge for the rival Pakistan Air Force. Inadequate training also provided to rookie pilots is also one of the main reasons the Indian Air Force is heading towards decline, as far as maintaining standards is concerned.

On Tuesday morning, the dismal condition of IAF further came to light when a Jaguar fighter crashed 13 km east of Allahabad. Fortunately, the two pilots were able to eject themselves and escape the ordeal. The hapless condition of IAF can be judged from the fact that it is down to 35 squadrons, with some of them existing only on paper.

Also read: India’s air force at risk as Pakistan, China grow

This was the sixth fighter IAF jet to crash since January of this year, a stat that should ring alarm bells for India. India’s hostile neighbour Pakistan has one of the best air forces in the world and so does China. India is involved in border disputes and has militarily been confronted by both Pakistan and China in the past. The IAF has a battle on its hands with its fast-depleting fighter strength, which will progressively get worse with the virtually obsolete MiG-21s and MiG-27s headed for long-delayed retirement.

Whilst the Chinese have almost three times the number of fighter jets than India, Pakistan Air Force is also flying close to the Indians. Pakistan Air Force has 21 combat squadrons at their disposal, with four more soon to be added to the overall quantity. India and Pakistan have fought three wars with each other, and it is a known fact that PAF has always bested the Indian Air Force in encounters.

The Indian Air Force has recorded more than 1,100 crashes since 1970, mainly due to technical defect and maintenance faults. Since 2011-2012, the Indian Air Force has lost 15 helicopters and 35 aircrafts in crashes.

Pakistan’s M.M.Alam is one of the most celebrated pilots in the world. He holds the world record for shooting down five Indian fighter aircraft in 55 seconds. Pakistan Air Force has also been instrumental in the Operation Zarb e Azb that has been waged by the country’s military against militants. With accuracy and precision, the PAF has been instrumental in taking out militants’ hideouts.

Technically ill-matched Indian Air Force losing ground to PAF | ARY NEWS
Here is an analysis rather a report with which many may not agree and that is the main reason for this thread.Please feel free to negate or approve the content of it.

Don't believe a word of this

 

[Indian Patriot]

IAF has severe quality issues no doubt but it still has an edge over PAF thanks to Su-30 MKI. And no, the MKI is not facing any problems as such, for now at least. India will go for max 270 MKI which is a formidable number by any standard.

But having said that every other aircraft in IAF inventory is too few or too obsolete to make any difference. 36 Rafales was a face-saving gesture. 55 Mirage 2000 is too less again. Jaguars are old technology and Mig-29 just maybe good against PAF but certainly not against PLAAF.

IAF cannot rest against the assumption that PLAAF will never strike. Let's hope they don't but its good to be ready just in case.

Scrapping the 126 Rafale deal was a very bad move. LCA is a joke and should be treated as such. It is too tiny and light an aircraft to carry a meaningful load and journey long distances. The ideal fantasy strength for IAF would have been 270 MKI + 200 Rafale + 200 PAK-FA. A very lean, mean and modern air force backed by AWACS and force multipliers.

Instead we have a mixture of many old and obsolete aircraft.

 

[ziaulislam]

technically ill mathched IAF???
IAF has got far higher number of 4.5 gen aircraft than PAF.
su 30 MKI: ~180.
mirage 2000: 54( currently being upgraded to 4.5 gen standard ie,mirage 2.5k.)
MIG 29UPG : 66 (not counting the 44MIG 29k of IN)
thats a total of 300 aircraft.

now taking PAF into account(4.5 gen jets)
f 16 blk 52+: 18.
f 16 A/B MLU :41.(upgraded to blk 52+ std)
thats only 59
and still your media is calling IAF ill matched

76 F-16s+60 thunders=135

IAF has severe quality issues no doubt but it still has an edge over PAF thanks to Su-30 MKI. And no, the MKI is not facing any problems as such, for now at least. India will go for max 270 MKI which is a formidable number by any standard.

But having said that every other aircraft in IAF inventory is too few or too obsolete to make any difference. 36 Rafales was a face-saving gesture. 55 Mirage 2000 is too less again. Jaguars are old technology and Mig-29 just maybe good against PAF but certainly not against PLAAF.

IAF cannot rest against the assumption that PLAAF will never strike. Let's hope they don't but its good to be ready just in case.

Scrapping the 126 Rafale deal was a very bad move. LCA is a joke and should be treated as such. It is too tiny and light an aircraft to carry a meaningful load and journey long distances. The ideal fantasy strength for IAF would have been 270 MKI + 200 Rafale + 200 PAK-FA. A very lean, mean and modern air force backed by AWACS and force multipliers.

Instead we have a mixture of many old and obsolete aircraft.

india is spending 3.2 billion dollars just to upgrade its jagurs, another 2.4 billion for mirages .

 

[GURU DUTT]

In 65 and 71 war IAF was also .5 and 1 generation ahead of PAF.

so did your air force won your nation both wars ?

last i know 1965 when USA ditched pakistan pakistan had to plead USSR for a truce and signed "tashkent declaration"and in 1971 you lost half your nation and 93000 mard e momins surrenderred before 50000 short dark hindus after just 12 days of fighting

76 F-16s+60 thunders=135


india is spending 3.2 billion dollars just to upgrade its jagurs, another 2.4 billion for mirages .

what if i told you each MKI can carry twice the number of BVRs as a F-16 and thrice the number of BVRs than a JF-17and yourF-16s are highli bugged and have severe spare parts shortage and flight ristrictions that before every sortie of your Blk52s you have to take source codes from USA and onli US experts present on the pakistani air bases are capable/authorised in updating them

and do you know that even Mig21s, Jags raecapable of firring BVRs ( israeli and russian) forget about the capabilities of upgraded M2K & Mig29s

and do you have any idea about indian radar and sat network and the air defnce network ?

 

[assassin123]

76 F-16s+60 thunders=135
.

the rest of the f 16 that paf has got are F16A/B BLK15,these have inferior radar and capabilities and is not 4++gen aircraft unlike the F16 blk 52.
the same goes with the 60 JF 17 blk1 that you mentioned.
i was only counting the 4++ gen fighters

 

[aks18]

so did your air force won your nation both wars ?

last i know 1965 when USA ditched pakistan pakistan had to plead USSR for a truce and signed "tashkent declaration"and in 1971 you lost half your nation and 93000 mard e momins surrenderred before 50000 short dark hindus after just 12 days of fighting




what if i told you each MKI can carry twice the number of BVRs as a F-16 and thrice the number of BVRs than a JF-17and yourF-16s are highli bugged and have severe spare parts shortage and flight ristrictions that before every sortie of your Blk52s you have to take source codes from USA and onli US experts present on the pakistani air bases are capable/authorised in updating them

and do you know that even Mig21s, Jags raecapable of firring BVRs ( israeli and russian) forget about the capabilities of upgraded M2K & Mig29s

and do you have any idea about indian radar and sat network and the air defnce network ?

i heard in 1965 Mig 21 of IAF were grounded of fear of sabres of PAF is it true ??

 

[GURU DUTT]

i heard in 1965 Mig 21 of IAF were grounded of fear of sabres of PAF is it true ??

no sir you heared it wrong in1965 Mig 21s were not even properlli intigrated in IAF just like MKIs were not intigrated in IAF in kargil war though we had bought them

you see it takes atleat 3-5 years in properlli intirating any fighter platform in you air warfare doctroine

 

[Myth_buster_1]

so did your air force won your nation both wars ?

last i know 1965 when USA ditched pakistan pakistan had to plead USSR for a truce and signed "tashkent declaration"and in 1971 you lost half your nation and 93000 mard e momins surrenderred before 50000 short dark hindus after just 12 days of fighting

Indians are losers, they always resort to 1971 war POW because they have nothing else to take pride on because they got their @ss whopped by Pakistan. Your IAF could not even destroy lone PAF squadron in east sector and infact ended up shoting more IAF planes down.

what if i told you each MKI can carry twice the number of BVRs as a F-16 and thrice the number of BVRs than a JF-17and yourF-16s are highli bugged and have severe spare parts shortage and flight ristrictions that before every sortie of your Blk52s you have to take source codes from USA and onli US experts present on the pakistani air bases are capable/authorised in updating them

and do you know that even Mig21s, Jags raecapable of firring BVRs ( israeli and russian) forget about the capabilities of upgraded M2K & Mig29s

and do you have any idea about indian radar and sat network and the air defnce network ?

And PAF decided to induct F-16s based on the fact that they are bugged? I hope all Indian military think tanks are as mentally capable as you are sir.