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Tata Advanced Systems looks to manufacture planes in India
PublishedMarch 3, 2015|Byadmin
SOURCE : LIVEMINT
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The Tata group is keen to make planes in India, venturing into an area where Indian companies have traditionally not done well. “Tata Advanced Systems now has the capability to build an entire aircraft structure,” said Sukaran Singh, chief executive officer and managing director of Tata Advanced Systems Ltd (TASL). “In Hyderabad, we have now built capability and can build a full aircraft.
” Singh said TASL is making parts of aircraft and wishes to send an aircraft out of India in a so-called fly-away condition over the next few years. India imports most of its civil and defence aircraft. The only aircraft manufacturer of note is the state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. Over the past decade, the Tata group and the Mahindra group have gradually built a presence in the aerospace sector and have insinuated themselves into the global supply chain.
The Tata group has four joint ventures— with American Lockheed Martin Corp., RUAG Aviation, Sikorsky Aircraft Corp. and Pilatus Aircraft Ltd. With a base in Hyderabad, Tata is making Pilatus PC-12, Dornier 228, the main tail and fuselage parts of the Lockheed Martin C-130J Super Hercules turboprop military transport aircraft, and Sirkosky helicopter cabins. Singh said production is also being stepped up. Tata makes two empennages (tail assembly) for the Lockheed Martin C-130 a month right now and plans to take this up to four a month when sought by the manufacturer.
By the end of 2015, Tata will become the sole supplier to Lockheed Martin for this empennage. Matching global quality standards is key, “otherwise global manufacturers won’t buy from us”, Singh said. More parts for Lockheed Martin could be manufactured at this facility soon, said a person familiar with the matter who asked not to be identified. Singh said Tata will also bid to manufacture planes—including with Airbus Group NV—in the contracts being opened by the government. “(The ambition is) to actually build a full platform. We are actually bidding for large aircraft we will bid…, as and when the government allows the private sector for full helicopter platforms. We have partnered with Airbus for the Avro replacement project.
That is part of the process that ministry of defence is currently processing. Should that process move forward, and should we win…, part of that (aim) is to build full aircraft out of India—the final assembly line,” Singh said. On 11 February, the Tata group said it expects revenue of Rs.2,500 crore, or more than $400 million, from its defence and aerospace business in the year ending March 2015. An analyst said the group has taken one step at a time—from building parts to planes; and if cleared to make cargo planes, its next step could be passenger jets. “In the private sector, Tata is ahead of others; the group is doing little more value added and complex work.
But having said that, right now no company in the private sector is ready to make a full plane. The Tata group can always have a tie-up for avionics and engine…, even big aircraft makers do the same. This is the way to go,” said Laxman Kumar Behera, Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses, who has published research papers on aerospace. Behera said India is a decade away from making a passenger plane. Even China took 15-20 years to make such a plane. But the process requires government support, he said. “The aircraft industry is always supported by the government; in India there is no vision on how to develop (the industry). One the one hand we want HAL to develop civilian aircraft and (on the other), the Tata group is seeking to replace the Avro. You can’t have large number of people in this business, it has to be a consolidated country effort and driven by the government.”


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Make in India is blooming

The PR campaign is, but this has nothing to do with that, since TATA had formed most of this JV much before the elections and partially because of the offset policy brought in by the former DM, that requires foreign vendors to invest back into the Indian industry. That's why LM for example diverted production parts of the C130J to TATA, why Boeing had to do similar for C17 or P8 deals and so on.
The increase of FDI however opens up new possibilities for team up's, outside of the offset policy requirements and without us buying stuff first and the more interest the Make in India campaign can get for the investment into India, the better for the manufacturing sector at least.
 
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Why can't we have Indian-designed aircraft? Seriously is there no aeronautical skill present in India to design an aircraft rather than just manufacture the already designed ones here?
 
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The PR campaign is, but this has nothing to do with that, since TATA had formed most of this JV much before the elections and partially because of the offset policy brought in by the former DM, that requires foreign vendors to invest back into the Indian industry. That's why LM for example diverted production parts of the C130J to TATA, why Boeing had to do similar for C17 or P8 deals and so on.
The increase of FDI however opens up new possibilities for team up's, outside of the offset policy requirements and without us buying stuff first and the more interest the Make in India campaign can get for the investment into India, the better for the manufacturing sector at least.


Potato Patata Sir :p :D
 
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Why can't we have Indian-designed aircraft? Seriously is there no aeronautical skill present in India to design an aircraft rather than just manufacture the already designed ones here?

Depends on what you want. Military aircraft design know how is very limited in India, LCA, Saras, IJT all are suffering from that. TATA and Mahindra however have started minor civil aircraft projects, thanks to know how they got from outside of India and Mahindra is also working together with NAL. The latter once again shows the way we need to follow, by teaming up state owned and privat companies together + adding whatever we can get from foreign partners. We can't make us dependent on our state owned agencies, which have a pretty poor track record, nor can we wait till the privat industry is ready to commit themselfs on their own, so put both together in joint projects and get the best from both sides!
 
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Depends on what you want. Military aircraft design know how is very limited in India, LCA, Saras, IJT all are suffering from that. TATA and Mahindra however have started minor civil aircraft projects, thanks to know how they got from outside of India and Mahindra is also working together with NAL. The latter once again shows the way we need to follow, by teaming up state owned and privat companies together + adding whatever we can get from foreign partners. We can't make us dependent on our state owned agencies, which have a pretty poor track record, nor can we wait till the privat industry is ready to commit themselfs on their own, so put both together in joint projects and get the best from both sides!

We n need to look beyond marks and degrees these days. Surely there mist be many talented aeronautical designers who won't have gotten selected in colleges but have skills
 
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HAL is already manufacturing Do-228 its better they produce NG version.
 
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The PR campaign is, but this has nothing to do with that, since TATA had formed most of this JV much before the elections and partially because of the offset policy brought in by the former DM, that requires foreign vendors to invest back into the Indian industry. That's why LM for example diverted production parts of the C130J to TATA, why Boeing had to do similar for C17 or P8 deals and so on.
The increase of FDI however opens up new possibilities for team up's, outside of the offset policy requirements and without us buying stuff first and the more interest the Make in India campaign can get for the investment into India, the better for the manufacturing sector at least.
Ok then why TATA dint execute it's plans during UPA . Now the climate to do business in Indian defence is good . With latest make in India initiatives. You can't give credit to congressi
 
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According to Prasun K. Sengupta, Tata will most probably get down to manufacturing the airframes &
most of the components for the Dornier 328 (both turboprop and turbofan versions) -

DORNIER-328-JET.jpg


2002-Fairchild-Dornier-328-300-sn-3209-N430FJ.jpg


City_Star_Airlines_Dornier_328_(TF-CSB).jpg


HC-CFI-Vuelos-Internos-Privados-V.I.P.-Dornier-Do-328_PlanespottersNet_274947.jpg
 
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Ok then why TATA dint execute it's plans during UPA . Now the climate to do business in Indian defence is good . With latest make in India initiatives. You can't give credit to congressi

Which plans do you mean? And nobody denies that the climate to do business is better, but you have to understand why! The NDA government increased FDI and reduced bureaucracy, which both are crucial first steps, but the base policy change to include the privat Indian industry came under the UPA. That's why the Avro replacement started under the UPA with the aim to give the licence production to privat players, with the forced team ups of foreign vendors with Indian partners and including the ToT / offset requirements. The NDA government took that base and just added the FDI increase and improvements of bureaucracy, but that alone only makes the "climate" better, but couldn't influence more privat players to participate either.
So the credit for the actual policy change in favour for privat industry goes to UPA, while the credit to improve climate goes to NDA, but both is still not enough to get the privat industry to commit themselfs as we have seen. That's why the new budget was so important and why the industry hoped for actual reforms of the NDA too. The new DPP might be the first actual policy change wrt defence procurement and production that the NDA did, so lets see how that plays out and what changes it brings.
 
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Which plans do you mean? And nobody denies that the climate to do business is better, but you have to understand why! The NDA government increased FDI and reduced bureaucracy, which both are crucial first steps, but the base policy change to include the privat Indian industry came under the UPA. That's why the Avro replacement started under the UPA with the aim to give the licence production to privat players, with the forced team ups of foreign vendors with Indian partners and including the ToT / offset requirements. The NDA government took that base and just added the FDI increase and improvements of bureaucracy, but that alone only makes the "climate" better, but couldn't influence more privat players to participate either.
So the credit for the actual policy change in favour for privat industry goes to UPA, while the credit to improve climate goes to NDA, but both is still not enough to get the privat industry to commit themselfs as we have seen. That's why the new budget was so important and why the industry hoped for actual reforms of the NDA too. The new DPP might be the first actual policy change wrt defence procurement and production that the NDA did, so lets see how that plays out and what changes it brings.

We don't deny the UPA the credit for actual work done but making policies is easy,implementing them is hard
So when you try to give equal amt of credit to the UPA as NDA,you indirectly insult the hard working people in NDA
 
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Which plans do you mean? And nobody denies that the climate to do business is better, but you have to understand why! The NDA government increased FDI and reduced bureaucracy, which both are crucial first steps, but the base policy change to include the privat Indian industry came under the UPA. That's why the Avro replacement started under the UPA with the aim to give the licence production to privat players, with the forced team ups of foreign vendors with Indian partners and including the ToT / offset requirements. The NDA government took that base and just added the FDI increase and improvements of bureaucracy, but that alone only makes the "climate" better, but couldn't influence more privat players to participate either.
So the credit for the actual policy change in favour for privat industry goes to UPA, while the credit to improve climate goes to NDA, but both is still not enough to get the privat industry to commit themselfs as we have seen. That's why the new budget was so important and why the industry hoped for actual reforms of the NDA too. The new DPP might be the first actual policy change wrt defence procurement and production that the NDA did, so lets see how that plays out and what changes it brings.

Bhakts will attack this blasphemy. Remember NOTHING good was done under UPA.
 
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According to Prasun K. Sengupta, Tata will most probably get down to manufacturing the airframes &
most of the components for the Dornier 328 (both turboprop and turbofan versions) -

DORNIER-328-JET.jpg


2002-Fairchild-Dornier-328-300-sn-3209-N430FJ.jpg


City_Star_Airlines_Dornier_328_(TF-CSB).jpg


HC-CFI-Vuelos-Internos-Privados-V.I.P.-Dornier-Do-328_PlanespottersNet_274947.jpg

Looks good also do you have any link to that article

Bhakts will attack this blasphemy. Remember NOTHING good was done under UPA.

Tandaa hooja itni trolling maat kar
 
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So when you try to give equal amt of credit to the UPA as NDA,you indirectly insult the hard working people in NDA

First of all, I am not giving "equal" credit, UPA clearly have done more for inviting the privat industry so they deserve more credit, than NDA taking the benfits of the reform and adding to it.
Secondly, how is it insulting, why I give credit to the work and improvements the NDA brought? I just put it in the right perspective, by seperating who did what and what actually was achieved. And the NDA did good with some improvements, but neither the huge mandate, the strong PM or the Make in India PR campaign helped so far to do more, than the UPA did and that has reasons, which shows that the NDA should had done more.

Remember NOTHING good was done under UPA.

That's the general perception, which I often try to correct by pointing to the reality. Be it the huge improvements the Indian forces did in the last 10 years, or the fact that the economy did well even in UPA2, when you put the GDP rate in relation to the global economy. The fact that even NDA had to admit to the same global factors and that they had to revise the GDP calcuations, which now shows 6.9% growth for 2013 only proves that! And in the same manner, the last actual defence policy reform came under UPA and from DM Antony, which simply can't be denied, no matter if you are pro or con UPA / Antony.
That doesn't take away the scams in UPA and the indernal problems of Congress of course, which resulted in the current and well deserved situation, but people the overall achievements can't be denied because of these issues.
 
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