Tata Motors, Goldstone bag tender for 480 Electric Buses: Get ready for a silent and green ride

[cirr]

I can't help wondering what make of lithium-ion batteries Tata Motors will use for its e-buses.

Japanese? Chinese? Since a big chunk of Japanese batteries are made with Chinese lithium salts(lithium carbonate, lithium hydroxide etc) and battery materials(cathodes, anodes, electrolytes and separators etc), who cares.

Tata Motors, Goldstone bag tender for 480 Electric Buses: Get ready for a silent and green ride

Tata Motors Commercial Vehicles and Warren Buffet backed BYD Electric Vehicles, 9 out of 10 of the first round electric public transport tenders have already been spoken for leaving local players like Mahindra and Mahindra, Eicher Motors and JBM Solaris empty handed and slightly red-faced if not anything else. With competitors even terming Tata’s bids as unviable, with other bidders claiming that the two quoted almost 30% lower than the market price.

By: Dipayan Dutta | Published: March 22, 2018 1:14 PM

Between Tata Motors Commercial Vehicles and Warren Buffet backed BYD Electric Vehicles, 9 out of 10 of the first round electric public transport tenders have already been spoken for leaving local players like Mahindra and Mahindra, Eicher Motors and JBM Solaris empty handed and slightly red-faced if not anything else. With competitors even terming Tata’s bids as unviable, with other bidders claiming that the two quoted almost 30% lower than the market price. Although those who went home with tender rights seemed to be more than happy with the price on offer.

BYD for those who are wondering are in the country as part of a JV with Goldstone Infratech, and for those of you who are just hearing the name BYD. It is ia chinese EV supplier that is one of the few being backed by Warren Buffet and has been touted as China’s answer to Tesla. The new company in on JV has bagged contracts for Bengaluru, Mumbai and Hyderabad to supply 290 electric buses.

Meanwhile Tata Motors, took the remaining tenders by storm seizing the rights Jaipur, Indore, Lucknow, Kolkata, Jammu and Guwahati — to supply 190 e-buses. Ashok Leyland bagged a paltry contract for 40 e-buses in Ahmedabad. The 10 cities called tenders in the last two months in a pilot programme partly.

However, the contract with the most gravitas is New Delhi with an order for more than 700 electric buses on offer. However, the winners of this tender will be announced shortly. Now this smorgasbord of orders coming out of states for electric buses and public vehicles comes as part of the Faster Adoption and Manufacturing of (Hybrid &) Electric Vehicles in India (FAME India) scheme, which provides 60% subsidy to cities to procure e-vehicles either as outright purchase or on supply-operate basis.

Tata Motors probably have played averages in their bid with the lowest bid going to West Bengal at Rs 77 lakh per bus for a 40-bus outright purchase contract placed by West Bengal Transport Corp for Kolkata. Tata placed bids varying between Rs 77 lakh and Rs 99 lakh for different zones. “The price quoted by Tata Motors is an unviable number for many original equipment manufacturers (OEMs),” Reported the competition to ET.“The Rs 77 lakh bid was a desperate attempt from the company after they lost to Goldstone-BYD in Karnataka,” the person alleged , speaking on condition of anonymity.

http://www.financialexpress.com/aut...et-ready-for-a-silent-and-green-ride/1107338/

 

[Advaitagrata]

Chinese are feeling proud that they are our vendors for batteries

Good for them.

 

[AndrewJin]

Make-in-india is just a joke.
The bigger joke is PDF RSSers believe in that joke.

 

[cirr]

Chinese are feeling proud that they are our vendors for batteries

Good for them.

Battery is huge business.

India is missing out on yet another mega growth story.

 

[Skull and Bones]

Good, they kept Chinese BYD out of the competition.

https://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/ne...ce-its-first-lithium-ion-battery-cecri-844142

 

[cirr]

It is a fair bet that electric motors and controls used on Tata e-buses are also sourced from China.

BYD and Yutong Co. make the finest electric buses in the world.

 

[punit]

Make-in-india is just a joke.
The bigger joke is PDF RSSers believe in that joke.

Yeah ! For 50 cents : battery is equivalent to full bus . Any way don't worry buses will be manufactured in india with posible addition of chinese battery which will provide some emoemploym in China as well..

 

[cirr]

CATL claims to be world’s biggest EV battery maker

Growth ahead of IPO reflects Beijing’s ambitions in the electric vehicle market

An aerial view of CATL headquarters in Fujian Province, China © Bloomberg

Henry Sanderson

MARCH 14, 2018

China’s CATL has claimed to be the world’s largest electric vehicle battery maker in a filing ahead of its $2bn initial public offering in Shenzhen, marking the speed of growth for a seven-year-old company that reflects Beijing’s ambition to dominate production in the key technology.

Contemporary Amperex Technology Co said it was a supplier to global car companies including BMW and Volkswagen, and had started working with Chinese electric car start-up Nio, whose backers include Tencent, JD.com and Baidu.

This expanding customer base helped pushed battery sales to 12 gigawatt hours last year, ahead of Japan’s Panasonic, the company said in its filing. Panasonic sold 10GWh, it said, as measured by the amount of electrical energy, which is the standard used to measure battery capacity.

The growth of CATL highlights China’s ambition to dominate the supply chain for electric cars, which has seen the government restrict foreign battery producers from supplying its domestic market, the world’s largest.

Battery technology is critical for the success of EVs, since they are the costliest and heaviest component of the car. A battery pack with a range of 500km costs around $20,000 today, compared with the $5,000 cost of a gasoline engine, according to analysts at Bernstein.

Advances in technology will help push down battery costs, making EVs cost-competitive with petrol cars as early as 2021, they said.

CATL was founded in 2011 in the eastern city of Ningde by chemist Robin Zeng as a spin-off of Japan’s battery maker ATL. It hopes to use the proceeds of its IPO for an additional 24GWh of battery capacity to reach a total of 50GWh by 2020.

Tesla Motor’s is targeting annual capacity of 35GWh of batteries at its Gigafactory in Nevada, which is a joint-venture with Panasonic.

Panasonic is catching up to CATL, however. The company said on Tuesday it had started production of EV batteries at its first battery factory in China, in the north eastern city of Dalian.

“With the beginning of mass production shipments of automobile lithium-ion batteries from this factory, Panasonic now has a production system covering Japan, the United States, and China, the three key global locations,” it said.

CATL’s customers include all the major Chinese producers including SAIC Motor, BAIC Group, Geely, Dongfeng Motor, and Changan Auto.

But the company is also expanding internationally, and last year bought a 22 per cent stake in Finland’s Valmet Automotive, which has manufactured cars for Saab, Opel, Porsche and Mercedes-Benz.

The company’s 2017 battery sales figures include batteries in electric cars as well as electric buses and trucks. CATL said its net income rose to Rmb3.97bn ($628m) last year, compared to Rmb3.02bn a year earlier.

https://www.ft.com/content/6664e8c4-26db-11e8-b27e-cc62a39d57a0

 

[Advaitagrata]

Battery is huge business.

India is missing out on yet another mega growth story.

Really ?

https://www.outlookindia.com/websit...t-automobile-lithium-ion-battery-plant/302387

https://factordaily.com/reliance-adani-lithium-ion-battery-factories-india/

http://futurehitechbatteries.com/

http://www.fortuneindia.com/enterprise/exide-india-to-make-li-ion-batteries/101382

 

[Theparadox]

I can't help wondering what make of lithium-ion batteries Tata Motors will use for its e-buses.

Japanese? Chinese? Since a big chunk of Japanese batteries are made with Chinese lithium salts(lithium carbonate, lithium hydroxide etc) and battery materials(cathodes, anodes, electrolytes and separators etc), who cares.

TATA’S DEVELOP FIRST FUEL CELL BUS WITH ISRO
ISRO, BHEL tie-up for lithium-ion batteries to have buyback agreements

 

[Advaitagrata]

TATA’S DEVELOP FIRST FUEL CELL BUS WITH ISRO
ISRO, BHEL tie-up for lithium-ion batteries to have buyback agreements

Hey, don't burst his bubble

 

[cirr]

Really ?

https://www.outlookindia.com/websit...t-automobile-lithium-ion-battery-plant/302387

https://factordaily.com/reliance-adani-lithium-ion-battery-factories-india/

http://futurehitechbatteries.com/

http://www.fortuneindia.com/enterprise/exide-india-to-make-li-ion-batteries/101382

India is yet to make its first lithium-ion cell commercially.

Yeah ! For 50 cents : battery is equivalent to full bus . Any way don't worry buses will be manufactured in india with posible addition of chinese battery which will provide some emoemploym in China as well..

Batteries take up about 50% of the costs to make an electric bus.

So far, India imports lithium batteries from China and Japan(mostly China) for notebooks, laptops, smartphones etc., let alone batteries that power cars, buses and trucks.

It will take india at least 10 years to be able to produce decent and cost-competitive battery cells in commercial quantity without external help.

Since China more or less controls the whole of the electric vehicle supply/value chain, any expansion by India into the sector is at China's mercy.

 

[Advaitagrata]

India is yet to make its first lithium-ion cell commercially.

Batteries take up about 50% of the costs to make an electric bus.

So far, India imports lithium batteries from China and Japan(mostly China) for notebooks, laptops, smartphones etc., let alone batteries that power cars, buses and trucks.

It will take india at least 10 years to be able to produce decent and cost-competitive battery cells in commercial quantity without external help.

Since China more or less controls the whole of the electric vehicle supply/value chain, any expansion by India into the sector is at China's mercy.

Seriously ?

The first Lithium ion battery was manufactured in India in 1998

http://futurehitechbatteries.com/

 

[Chhatrapati]

Batteries take up about 50% of the costs to make an electric bus.

So far, India imports lithium batteries from China and Japan(mostly China) for notebooks, laptops, smartphones etc., let alone batteries that power cars, buses and trucks.

It will take india at least 10 years to be able to produce decent and cost-competitive battery cells in commercial quantity without external help.

Since China more or less controls the whole of the electric vehicle supply/value chain, any expansion by India into the sector is at China's mercy.

These kind of petty arguments are flawed. So, where do China import lithium from? And a lot of materials for manufacturing are imported from South American countries. So, any expansion of China's expansion to India is at the mercy of South American countries. Also, it's not alien tech, any country can import lithium from them and starts their own manufacturing.
Last but not least, we should thank the American German scientist for inventing Li-ions. Now, start more trivial threads for Chinese Stronk.

 

[cirr]

TATA’S DEVELOP FIRST FUEL CELL BUS WITH ISRO
ISRO, BHEL tie-up for lithium-ion batteries to have buyback agreements

In order to be able to compete on the same level as BYD(electric/conventional auto maker, also China's No.2 lithium-ion battery manufacturer), Tata will have to look to one of the Chinese suppliers for battery cells, modules, PACK, BMS, and the lot.

CATL manufacturing complex in Ningde, Fujian Province, China

Seriously ?

The first Lithium ion battery was manufactured in India in 1998

http://futurehitechbatteries.com/

Seriously.

Remove the back cover of your handheld devices and see for yourself where the batteries are from

And batteries driving EVs are an entirely different story.