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Tamils and Sumerians Among the FIRST to Reach Australia and Antarctica

Indians wouldn't be showing such smugness if the Tigers ( or forest brigand Veerappan ) was around. Remember a rag tag army of few hundred sent 80,000 Indians packing and exploded the ex PM. A lesson in history Indian can never forget.
Seriously, you are left with a bandit and sandalwood smuggler to carry your Tamil flag? BTW, Veerrappan operated out of Karnataka forests too. Where he used to smuggle sandal wood. Not exactly the freedom fighter type.

LTTE, as much as I know was a sri-lanka only organization. Rajiv Gandhi was foolish enough to burn his hands in so called 'peace process' and sent IPKF directly into the peninsula. He paid with his life.

it should not be blind faith , propagated by vedic brahamnists to serve their interest. But some ways they are right too as both Sivan and Murugan were ancient Tamil gods . They were later appropriated by Vedic Brahmanism converting Murugan into Vedic Brahmnaist god Skanda or Karthigey through fabricated legends aka puranas.

Murugan versus Skanda
The Aryan appropriation of a tribal Dravidian god
Urmi Chanda-Vaz
Department of Sanskrit, University of Mumbai


http://murugan.org/research/chanda-vaz.htm

Tracing the roots of the Tamil God

https://www.thehindu.com/features/m...the-roots-of-the-tamil-god/article6808508.ece
All of this academic discourse has little bearing to reality of religion. As I said, truth is subjective in the matter of faith. You can research on real truth your whole life but it won't change what people believe. Shiva will still be worshiped in north india, irrespective of its origin. And so will Murugan in Tamil Nadu. And myths around their father-son relationship will still continue. Does not matter if Shiva was an 'adopted' God in Hinduism.
 
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Well at the same time, it is impossible to deny Tamils serving in security and scientific establishment of India. DRDO, ISRO etc are filled with Tamils. So is Indian deep-state: bureaucracy and intelligence.

majority are Tambrahmins and they dont identify themselves as Tamils. They have always worked against Tamils interest e.g they were the master minds behind the appropriation of Tamil culture (religion, arts etc)

Seriously, you are left with a bandit and sandalwood smuggler to carry your Tamil flag? BTW, Veerrappan operated out of Karnataka forests too. Where he used to smuggle sandal wood. Not exactly the freedom fighter type.

LTTE, as much as I know was a sri-lanka only organization. Rajiv Gandhi was foolish enough to burn his hands in so called 'peace process' and sent IPKF directly into the peninsula. He paid with his life.
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this should answer your first comment (highlighted)

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Regarding your second comment , read my post #39 in this thread ..

also you can add on the following

India 'complicit' in killing of 20,000 civilians in Sri Lanka
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...-killing-of-20000-civilians-in-Sri-Lanka.html

All of this academic discourse has little bearing to reality of religion. As I said, truth is subjective in the matter of faith. You can research on real truth your whole life but it won't change what people believe. Shiva will still be worshiped in north india, irrespective of its origin. And so will Murugan in Tamil Nadu. And myths around their father-son relationship will still continue. Does not matter if Shiva was an 'adopted' God in Hinduism.

sorry I dont run - " Hinduism for Dummies" course in PDF

ignorance is bliss
 
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majority Tambrahmins and they dont identify themselves as Tamils they have always worked against Tamils interest an e.g they were the master minds behind the appropriation of Tamil culture (religion, arts etc) Who do you
Oh? So you mean Iyengars etc are 'Not the real Tamils'? Jayalalitha 'Amma' is not real Tamil? Heck this keeps getting better and better. This way, 'The Real Tamils' will be left only 5-10 judging by the popularity of Amma in TN.

sorry I dont run - " Hinduism for Dummies" course in PDF

ignorance is bliss
Honestly, in matter of faith common ignorance trumps any 'reality'.
 
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Not only that
A 5300 years old 'Snow man Otzi' spoke Tamil!

Africans also speak Tamil...

It is bizarre thing, Africans also speak Tamil


Lahore in Pakistan was a Tamil village. That is why Lahore ends with 'ur' sound. Ur in Tamil means Village.

A Tamil guy I know actually said that

Why resort to dumb Pareidolia and speculations when we've actual studies available?!
Everyone knows I'm all for identities within India and detest the push for homogeneity, but Tamil Nationalists sometimes take it too far.

Anyway, studies indicate that southern Indians had reached Australia ~4000 years ago. But evidence so far suggests they were from the west coast, i.e. Keralam. This period saw a sudden shift in "technology" and cuisine in Australia. The dingo was also introduced.
If people from Southern India reached Australia 4000 years ago, they were hardly Tamil or Keralites. Because people living then did not have these ethnic identities. Why cant these nationalists understand this.

History revisionism that too in ridiculous levels is one of the features in Tamil nationalism and one of the root causes for Sri Lanka's conflict.
 
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Oh? So you mean Iyengars etc are 'Not the real Tamils'? Jayalalitha 'Amma' is not real Tamil? Heck this keeps getting better and better. This way, 'The Real Tamils' will be left only 5-10 judging by the popularity of Amma in TN.


Honestly, in matter of faith common ignorance trumps any 'reality'.

read again what I wrote i.e they dont identify themselves as Tamil - its for them to decide, who they are

Amma rode on her stardom popularity and used MGR as her stepping stone o politics . She was smart enough to camouflage her background

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Vidya and Avidya, Knowledge and Ignorance in Vedanta
https://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/essays/knowledge.asp
 
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Africans also speak Tamil...


It is bizarre thing, Africans also speak Tamil


Lahore in Pakistan was a Tamil village. That is why Lahore ends with 'ur' sound. Ur in Tamil means Village.

A Tamil guy I know actually said that
WTF???? REALLY?

read again what I wrote i.e they dont identify themselves as Tamil - its for them to decide, who they are

Amma rode on her stardom popularity and used MGR as her stepping stone o politics . She was smart enough to camouflage her background

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Vidya and Avidya, Knowledge and Ignorance in Vedanta
https://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/essays/knowledge.asp
But aren't Tamil people her own biggest followers? Tamil Nadu being one of more literate and politically aware state will know better, right?
 
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If people from Southern India reached Australia 4000 years ago, they were hardly Tamil or Keralites. Because people living then did not have these ethnic identities. Why cant these nationalists understand this.

History revisionism that too in ridiculous levels is one of the features in Tamil nationalism and one of the root causes for Sri Lanka's conflict.
It was the period when the current identity was at the primordial stage. So you're right and wrong. And I also regard some differences between West and East of southern India even at that time due to the "Western" Ghats that splits them.

Tamil Nationalists should stop competing with chaddi morons in being ridiculous.
 
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WTF???? REALLY?
Tamil revivalist movement that started in late 19th century created momentum for Tamil revivalism in TN by inventing world history to suit Tamil political agendas. According to Tamil Nationalists, the whole world was once a Tamil kingdom and Tamil was the first language of humanity. There are still a lot of support for this belief. Even Sri Lankan conflict is related to this Tamil mytho mania.

Tamil scholars even changed evolution theory to suit their Tamil supermascist politics. According to them first Tamil, homo dravida appeared 50000 years ago....These are not jokes.

It was the period when the current identity was at the primordial stage. So you're right and wrong. And I also regard some differences between West and East of southern India even at that time due to the "Western" Ghats that splits them.

Tamil Nationalists should stop competing with chaddi morons in being ridiculous.
I doubt current identities were at a primordial stage then. Four thousand years ago is pre histoy.
 
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Not only that

History revisionism that too in ridiculous levels is one of the features in Tamil nationalism and one of the root causes for Sri Lanka's conflict.

are you referring to the Mahavamsa history ?, the root cause of Tamil nationalism and the conflict ?

Sanskrit - pur (pura/puram ) was derived from Tamil/Sumerian ur (city)


Sumerian and Tamil - A Comparison and Study with Reference to a TRANSLITERATED TEXT AND STANDARD TRANSLATIONS
Uploaded by Nicole Sigaud on Aug 22, 2017
Relations between Sumerial and Tamil - aspects

 
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are you referring to the Mahavamsa history ?, the root cause of Tamil nationalism and the conflict ?

Sanskrit - pur (pura/puram ) was derived from Tamil/Sumerian ur (city)


Sumerian and Tamil - A Comparison and Study with Reference to a TRANSLITERATED TEXT AND STANDARD TRANSLATIONS
Uploaded by Nicole Sigaud on Aug 22, 2017
Relations between Sumerial and Tamil - aspects


There are hundreds of Tamil Nationalist pseudo historians who invent history just to satisfy their ethnic ego. Tamil historians are the joke in the world of linguistics. Sumerian derived from Tamil is one such joke. And Mahavamsa had nothing to do with Tamil mytho maniacs in Tamil Nadu who declared first human was the homo dravida who spoke Tamil .....
 
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There are hundreds of Tamil Nationalist pseudo historians who invent history just to satisfy their ethnic ego. Tamil historians are the joke in the world of linguistics. Sumerian derived from Tamil is one such joke. And Mahavamsa had nothing to do with Tamil mytho maniacs in Tamil Nadu who declared first human was the homo dravida who spoke Tamil .....

you mean
A Tamil guy I know actually said that
is your authority to pass the judgement .. this reaserach papaer and all other are not the work of Tamils. Get that into your thick skull

If you have a problem in digesting , take it up with them and stop your silly modaya's act

https://www.ancient-origins.net/users/william-james-veall

M JAMES VEALL
Tamils and Sumerians Among the FIRST to Reach Australia and Antarctica?

or

https://www.ancient-origins.net/opinion-author-profiles/clyde-winters-006222

Clyde: Sum is Tamil

https://sites.google.com/site/sumeriantamil/clyde-sum-is-tamil
 
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There are hundreds of Tamil Nationalist pseudo historians who invent history just to satisfy their ethnic ego. Tamil historians are the joke in the world of linguistics. Sumerian derived from Tamil is one such joke. And Mahavamsa had nothing to do with Tamil mytho maniacs in Tamil Nadu who declared first human was the homo dravida who spoke Tamil .....
Why the heck does this entire thing sound as a rehash of ww2 German / aryan identity propaganda. With Real Tamils as master race and perhaps Tamil Brahmanas as Jews maybe...
 
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"my country" ? remember it was given by the Brits on a golden platter. More history lessons, Periyar asked for Independent Dravidanadu , DMK's Annadurai - secession from India. Tamils have nothing (culture or genetic) in common with Indians. Why do you think I posted this thread on Tamils and Sumerians ?

I didnt want you to worry, as you were in anxiety for the Tamil cause - refer your post #36


India involvement in Lanka's affairs - was to "teach Sri Lanka " a lesson



http://www.dailymirror.lk/article/Indo-Lanka-Accord-DEAD-LETTER-153520.html

LTTE was trained and funded by India to fight its proxy war in Lanka



Just like DMK, once a fringe group there are many "fringe groups" fighting for Tamil's rights and nationalism. I can't indulge any further

just a few previews

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/tami...rugan-arrested-on-charges-of-sedition.571853/

even Tamil students and women will rise up against Hindu fascists - they have no fear


except for Kashmir, you dont see this happening in other Indian states especially the 4 other southern states
1. Its my country now. Tamilians from India (not from Sri Lanka) spread all over India, even you can find them in North East. My city Kolkata was the karmabhumi of the most famous scientist from TN, Dr C.V. Raman. My niece has got Tamil blood as well as Bengali blood in her.
Even the famous thalaivar is a born Marathi.

2. Now little history lesson.
In 1960, the DMK leaders decided to delete the demand of Dravida Nadu from the party programme at a meeting held in the absence of Annadurai. Annadurai abandoned the "claim" for Dravida Nadu – now geographically limited to modern Tamil Nadu – completely in 1963 due to the secessionism act by Mr J. Neheru. And Annadurai never looked for a separate country but a autonomous state within India.

Mr. Erode Venkata Ramasamy - He was born in a Kannada speaking family having roots from Karnataka. You know rest of his party almost got disfunctional, during his marriage to a lady almost 40 years junior to him in 1948.
But he was one of the great man India has ever seen, I will mark him more as a social reformer than a politician, cast less society, woman rights, anti Hindi fight, upscaling Tamil literature, rationalism, atheism was his great contribution which helped South India to come out of Brahmin hegemony.
You know his demand of independent Tamil Nadu was because of his fear of Brahmins controlling TN. Infact he at the time of Sino-Indian War of 1962, he proclaimed that his party would stand up for the integrity and unity of India. His first demand was present 5 state Dravid Naidu, then retracted to only Tamil Nadu which comprised areas of north Sri Lanka in 1947-50. This time he started loosing his trusted lieutenants, main reason being his demand of separate country which they don't agree. His campaign of separate country was periodic and used to come once in decads. Next time it was in 1960 and again in 1968.

His idea of separate TN country was smashed when DMK (party formed and running on his ideology) got mere 15 seats out of 205 seats in the state assembly in the year 1956. 1962 DMK deleted the demand of Dravida Nadu. Now they trippled their seat to 50. At a party conference in 1963, DMK formally dropped the secessionist demand and it devoted more attention to the language issue (which I support as well). This resulted a mojority for them with 138 seats in 1967.

3. Post 36 doesn't answer As you pointed now DMK is not a Tamil nationalist party now, so who is going to fight your cause?

4. LTTE was a Himalayan blunder from India for which they have to pay hard. I am not denying it. But I suspect you as anything than Indian Tamil, maybe Sri Lankan Tamil or a Malaysian one.

5. It happened in my state. Members of BJP central committee was beaten and Mr. Shah was not allowed in many parts.
Now the famous incident of BJP part chief indulge in a brawl. According to the words of Dr Samy father of Sofia the lady with whom the BJP chief had a fight.“Tamilisai was sitting in the third row. We were sitting in the eighth row. She had to pass by us to deplane. When she was passing by, my daughter stood up and shouted ‘down with the fascist BJP government’. I didn’t expect that she would do that. Tamilisai turned and looked at my daughter and then walked out. She paid no heed to her. She couldn’t speak at that point. She should have either retorted to my daughter or gotten angry. She didn’t do either,". She exactly used “BJP-yin fascist aatchi ozhiga”(Down with BJP’s fascist regime)..

Now where in these statement you find about Tamil nationalism?
Myself stand with the lady Sofia in this cause, she shouldn't be arrested, but simultaneously it was not appropriate for her to say these inside a plane.
 
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3. Post 36 doesn't answer As you pointed now DMK is not a Tamil nationalist party now, so who is going to fight your cause?
Honestly, if he is referring to Prabhakan -- an outsider -- and Verrappan --a smuggler and decoit -- as great Tamil freedom fighters, you know he is scrapping bottom of the barrel.

Myself stand with the lady Sofia in this cause, she shouldn't be arrested, but simultaneously it was not appropriate for her to say these inside a plane.
She should thank her lucky stars that she is not in USA. She would have been shot or tazed. Even in Canada, she would have been kicked out of the country for breaking terms of her visa by disorderly public conduct.

I am sure as hell the lady will not even god damn dare do this in Canada or USA because something is at stake. In India she knew nothing is at stake so she is acting anyway she wants to. Freedom of speech has limitations in Canada and US . You cann't cause a ruckus in plane, which is a private property and disrupt the business of airlines.
 
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