Talks with BJP-led India not possible, says PM Imran

[AgnosticIndian]

of course talking with Hindutva led India isn't possible, that's only possible with child massacre, minority killer TTP. TTP and TLP are very moderate in comparison with all of India.

 

[Faqirze]

India is like the Israel of South Asia, they always want to keep South Asia in a state of chaos and disharmony with their constant meddling and petty disputes

 

[SIPRA]

You’re an Indian - you have no business on a Pakistani forum to tell about our business or not - but shamelessly you are here.

These people are so arrogantly stupid that they fail even to phrase a para without internal textual contradictions.

 

[-=virus=-]

What I meant is that you cannot expect all your neighbors to be Bangladesh or Nepal to have little or no military capability against you. Not worry about their national security and just bend over because you are a bigger country.

I don't think they expect that with anyone, least of all Pak. Not an inch of BD was annexed post 71, Modi solved the complicated border issues via land swap, it was in the first term iirc. Nepal was kind of flaring up a while ago but that was politics, there's mostly free movement of people across the border with them.

A strong Pakistani military isn’t always to be a threat but so long as India doesn’t get her way there is the boogieman of Pakistan army. Yes, they do exercise a lot of power and are part of the elite problem from a leadership perspective but the actual military capability sans golf clubs and housing societies is a massive requirement and supported by most Pakistanis.

The sort of statements your hawkish think tanks have made way before Imran Khan or Kargil mattered all defined this. As far as Kashmir is concerned its primarily about water and the status quo is ok so far as it offers water and strategic security(based on demilitarization in Kashmir & Siachen) . But the second that changes the entire subcontinent can become a nuclear wasteland as far as Pakistan is concerned - they’ll take everyone down and are very very capable of doing it regardless of any and all ABM systems India possesses. It is about survival - if the Pakistanis are to give up their military
1. Demilitarize Kashmir & Siachen
2. Give Pakistan oversight in all waterworks that distribute into Pakistan
3. Open all trade and work with the infrastructure

People will throw the generals out themselves

Demilitarization will be a natural byproduct of a situation where an agreement has been reached to officially recognize the LOC as an IB.

The IWT has always been honoured as far as I am aware.

Yes, let's trade and do business. Jingoistic folk, of which there are a lot of on this forum do not like to think that way but Pak has more to gain in we open trade. All contingent to finally sealing the deal at the border, a cessation of hostilities and an end to all proxy conflict, post which, allow free movement of Kashmiris across the border.

Probably unlikely, people are too emotional, politicians are scared (and opportunistic.. want to exploit those emotions).. but strong iron willed leadership on both sides should take the bitter pill and just do it. People on both sides will be butthurt big time but do it anyway, they'll come around to accepting it sooner or later.

Probably unlikely but can't really see another solution to it than that.

 

[Imran Khan]

I don't think they expect that with anyone, least of all Pak. Not an inch of BD was annexed post 71, Modi solved the complicated border issues via land swap, it was in the first term iirc. Nepal was kind of flaring up a while ago but that was politics, there's mostly free movement of people across the border with them.


Demilitarization will be a natural byproduct of a situation where an agreement has been reached to officially recognize the LOC as an IB.

The IWT has always been honoured as far as I am aware.

Yes, let's trade and do business. Jingoistic folk, of which there are a lot of on this forum do not like to think that way but Pak has more to gain in we open trade. All contingent to finally sealing the deal at the border, a cessation of hostilities and an end to all proxy conflict, post which, allow free movement of Kashmiris across the border.

Probably unlikely, people are too emotional, politicians are scared (and opportunistic.. want to exploit those emotions).. but strong iron willed leadership on both sides should take the bitter pill and just do it. People on both sides will be butthurt big time but do it anyway, they'll come around to accepting it sooner or later.

Probably unlikely but can't really see another solution to it than that.

how the FFFF we will benefited from trade where it was in indian favor until we blocked it ? and then those bloody 14.36bn$ remittances from pak to india were another mess .
pakistani exports to india $454.49 million in 2016-17
indian exports to pakistan $2.17 billion in 2016-17

From Pak to India: $14.36 billion in remittances over 3 years!

At $4.9 billion, remittances from Pakistan to India were fourth largest and ranked 14th highest remittance between two countries in the world.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[Maula Jatt]

how the FFFF we will benefited from trade where it was in indian favor until we blocked it ? and then those bloody 14.36bn$ remittances from pak to india were another mess .
pakistani exports to india $454.49 million in 2016-17
indian exports to pakistan $2.17 billion in 2016-17

From Pak to India: $14.36 billion in remittances over 3 years!

At $4.9 billion, remittances from Pakistan to India were fourth largest and ranked 14th highest remittance between two countries in the world.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

I lol'ed at remmitance part
Who was even sending it?- it's not like Indians can just walk into Pak or vica versa

And thing with trade is if they're giving you cheap food or raw materials - better rates then globe
Even if you're in trade defecit, it's net positive

 

[Shehryar Ashraf]

why did it take 3 years for immy k to learn this when it is common knowledge.
man lived in a state of delusion that india is somehow the same country that it was during his cricket career.
laaton ke bhoot baaton say nahi maantay.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

I would say raise the bar, call these rats who they are, Hindu terrorists.

 

[-=virus=-]

how the FFFF we will benefited from trade where it was in indian favor until we blocked it ? and then those bloody 14.36bn$ remittances from pak to india were another mess .
pakistani exports to india $454.49 million in 2016-17
indian exports to pakistan $2.17 billion in 2016-17

From Pak to India: $14.36 billion in remittances over 3 years!

At $4.9 billion, remittances from Pakistan to India were fourth largest and ranked 14th highest remittance between two countries in the world.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Bhai, not trolling.. and sun ke shayad accha na lagai.. but India ki development thodi si zyada hai Pak se, in terms of industry and commerce, manufacturing.. you name it.

Trade liberalization and normalization ka fayda Pak ko kaafi hoga.

We can go in great details but just talking in very broad terms here, big picture, bole to.

I lol'ed at remmitance part
Who was even sending it?- it's not like Indians can just walk into Pak or vica versa

And thing with trade is if they're giving you cheap food or raw materials - better rates then globe
Even if you're in trade defecit, it's net positive

Yeap, so much cheaper to put goods on a lorry and send it through Wagah where Lahore is a stone's throw away than receiving bulky containers from inefficient routes. Don't get me wrong, they do have a place, but we could streamline a lot of trade.

Kashmiris make monies, Indians make monies, Pakistanis make the monies.. what the hell else do we need.

Economic situation up jayega to.. BC time kisko hai to hate x, y and z group ?

 

[Imran Khan]

Bhai, not trolling.. and sun ke shayad accha na lagai.. but India ki development thodi si zyada hai Pak se, in terms of industry and commerce, manufacturing.. you name it.

Trade liberalization and normalization ka fayda Pak ko kaafi hoga.

We can go in great details but just talking in very broad terms here, big picture, bole to.



Yeap, so much cheaper to put goods on a lorry and send it through Wagah where Lahore is a stone's throw away than receiving bulky containers from inefficient routes. Don't get me wrong, they do have a place, but we could streamline a lot of trade.

Kashmiris make monies, Indians make monies, Pakistanis make the monies.. what the hell else do we need.

Economic situation up jayega to.. BC time kisko hai to hate x, y and z group ?

kya ghanta faida hoga we will lost 7bn$ per year . china have far far far ahead then india if we want to benifit why not just keep doing trade witht hem . now i know sun ker acha nhi lagta but india is some 200 behind china is in terms of industry and commerce, manufacturing. and we are doing great with them . just come and see CPEC project how paksitan transforming .

 

[-=virus=-]

kya ghanta faida hoga we will lost 7bn$ per year . china have far far far ahead then india if we want to benifit why not just keep doing trade witht hem . now i know sun ker acha nhi lagta but india is some 200 behind china is in terms of industry and commerce, manufacturing. and we are doing great with them . just come and see CPEC project how paksitan transforming .

No doubt, isme to koi shak nahi hai ki Cheen kaafi aagey nikal gya hai.. fir bhi, unki civilization dekhen to, ekdum far east coast pe hai, Koreas, Japan, Philippines.. us area me hai unka sab kuch.

similarly with Roos, unka main civilizational scene west Europe ko takrata hua hai.

Log, awam, janta.. ek jaisey rehte hain, ek jaisey khatey/peetey hain.. easy cross border trade

Cheen ka to barfeela registan hai hum se takrate howa..

ab aap ko kuch samaan mangvana hai aap bagal se laogai ki sarhad + saat samundar paar se mangvana chaho gai ?

 

[SIPRA]

Fruitful talks would now be held, after conclusion of the coming China-India-Pakistan war.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

how the FFFF we will benefited from trade where it was in indian favor until we blocked it ? and then those bloody 14.36bn$ remittances from pak to india were another mess .
pakistani exports to india $454.49 million in 2016-17
indian exports to pakistan $2.17 billion in 2016-17

From Pak to India: $14.36 billion in remittances over 3 years!

At $4.9 billion, remittances from Pakistan to India were fourth largest and ranked 14th highest remittance between two countries in the world.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

This is a hypothetical analytical data, not factual...like talking about the Indian immigrants in other countries, Lol, they are counting the migrants to Pakistan from India(Mohajirs) as Indian diaspora...

From the article:
Reached for an explanation, Dilip Ratha, Manager, Migration and Remittances at the World Bank, said, "The reported remittances from Pakistan to India are not an actual, official data. It is an analytical estimate derived from a global estimation of bilateral remittance flows worldwide. This estimate is just that, an estimate based on logical assumptions."

He said the caveats attached to the estimates are: "The data on Indian migrants in various destination countries are incomplete; the incomes of Indian migrants abroad and the costs of living in India are both proxied by per capita incomes in PPP terms, which is only a rough proxy; and there is no way to capture remittances flowing through informal, unrecorded channels."

 

[SIPRA]

Perhaps, many people are not fully realizing that the issues between India and Pakistan are no more bilateral. Under the evolving geopolitical alignments and reorientations, they have essentially turned tri-lateral. Any resolution, whether by war or by peaceful means, would involve China, India and Pakistan.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Good that it's no more Pakistan versus India.
It is now Hindutva Bharat versus Secular India(the remains).

Pakistan can stay put and watch, wait and see...how the faultlines in India unravels and gobbles up the caste ridden, creed stricken unnatural entity called India.