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MANSEHRA: Federal Minister for Tourism Maulana Attaur Rehman has said that Taliban are the true followers of Islamic ideology and the US has been creating hatred against them.

“Ulema and Taliban are the true followers of Islamic ideology and America is the biggest terrorist of the world, which is creating hatred against them,” said the minister while speaking at a public gathering in Allai here on Tuesday.

Mr Rehman said that the ongoing spate of terrorism could not be eliminated until the US and the world gave equal rights and respect to the Muslims.

“It is a misconception that ulema and Taliban are against coexistence of people with different religions, in fact it is America which is against the interfaith harmony to maintain its hegemony on the world,” said Mr Rehman, who belongs to the JUI-F.

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Taliban are the true followers of Islamic ideology and the US has been creating hatred against them.

“Ulema and Taliban are the true followers of Islamic ideology and America is the biggest terrorist of the world, which is creating hatred against them

Yes STFU now. And such people are our "Tourism" minister. No wonder every one sends lanat on this goverment. :angry:
 
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“Ulema and Taliban are the true followers of Islamic ideology and America is the biggest terrorist of the world, which is creating hatred against them,” said the minister while speaking at a public gathering in Allai here on Tuesday.

Not a surprising statement especially since many Pakistanis would agree to it partially, especially the bolded part going by some of the discussions we have had in the past here.
 
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My dear Indians this section is for Pakistan's National and political issues.

My dear friend PakSher, we know this section is for Pakistan's National and political issues. Thread is about Pakistan and its minister ....:bounce::bounce::bounce:
 
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Anyone who takes each and every word of other than allah as law and attributes it to allah is attributing to allah what is not from allah.

Anyone who takes each and every word of other than that of the prophet as law and attributes it to the prophet is attributing to the prophet something that is not from the prophet.

What is wrong with doing that?

It is very important to realise that god is perfect in every way, free of all faults, if anyone attributes anything to god that is not perfect in any way, one is in serious trouble. Also it clearly shows that that person is lying. So people need to become alert about such things. Let me try and explain. A person knows his father is a normal human being but some one comes along and tells him his father is blind or has no leg or arms then that person can be cought out straight away that he is lying.

Likewise if god is perfect and some one through some scripture or beleif tells us something that does not go with what god is than that is clearly a lie. According to all religious books, there have been many imposters so people need to be very careful as to whom they follow and why.

Ahadith are not a proper sourse of information on islam on their own because there are so many of them have been proven to be forgeries. In fact the main sects within islam do not accept them from each other ie shias do not accept sunni ahadith collections authentic and vice versa. They only accept the common ones between them. This shows that taking religion from ahadith on their own is not valid.

The rules are simple. The quran is to be interpreted by itself. When doing that it is very important to remember that any interpretation of the quran which causes contradiction within the quran is not correct.

The other rule is that any interpretation of the quran that contradicts the real world or self evident facts is also false. Therefore so long as an interpretation of the quran is free of logical defects it is an authentic interpretation of the quran.

In some situations it is not important to whom an utterance is attributed but what it says. If the saying is good then it is authentic but if the saying is not good then it does not matter who said it. So a good thing is good no matter what it is or where it comes from but a bad thing is bad no matter where that comes from.

Once the quran has been interpreted correctly then if need be related ahadith can be used to further clarify the situation. Ahadith on their own cannot be used as rule of law no matter how authentic they are.

Lets try and explain this. Mullahs tell us that to stone a person to death is law of islam for sex out side marriage. The quran does not tell us about sex outside marriage rather the correct interpretation would seem to be for illegal sex under islamic law. This includes all kinds of sex that is unislamic.


Here is what the quran says

004.015 YUSUFALI: If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way.

004.016 YUSUFALI: If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful.

024.002 YUSUFALI: The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.

024.013 YUSUFALI: Why did they not bring four witnesses to prove it? When they have not brought the witnesses, such men, in the sight of Allah, (stand forth) themselves as liars!

004.025YUSUFALI: If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: And Allah hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another: Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

033.030 YUSUFALI: O Consorts of the Prophet! If any of you were guilty of evident unseemly conduct, the Punishment would be doubled to her, and that is easy for Allah.

The penalty in these verses is 50-200 lashes depending on the circumstances of the people involved. Surah al ahzab came before surah al nisa and after them came surah noor as final say on this matter.

First we are told that wives of the prophet will have double the punishment whatever it is if they did wrong. Then we are told that less well off will have half the punishment whatever it will be is to be told later. Then we are told it is 100 lashes as a standard under standard conditions in standard situations. In short the punishment of 100 lashes is maximum for normal muslims. However in other cases it shall always be less than that.

Leaving aside what talebanic islam says for the time being let us try and establish what the situation is.

In private whatever any poeple do there are no witnesses for it, this is why it is private. This means these verses have nothing to do with peole who have consensual sex in private because no one knows about their this act other than god.

This means these verses are about people who have consensual sex in the open where people can see them and that they find it annoying that is why they complain about it to the authority and want to get these people charged for their this socially unacceptable act.

It is not possible otherwise for poeple to have sex in front of four relaible good men.

These verses are not about rape where a man may force a woman.

Now the quran clearly makes sense here as to how a society should act as regard sexual matters.

The taleban islam is clearly wrong here because stoning to death is not in the quran and if we try to force it against the quran then it causes contradiction within the quran. For example, the quran doubles and half's punishment and there is no half of death. Unless taleban can create miracles because they claim to be better muslims and more close to allah.

Another point here to be noted is that wives of the prophet are married women and the quran says that your punishment is double of that as is for normal muslim women ie normal married muslim women. Now bring any mullah of your choice to tell me that their interpretation of islam is correct in face of these facts that I am stating here very clearly.

As for the punishment, it is for reformation and letting people back into society. It is not for damaging people bodily so that they become incapacitated and burdon for their family or society. This means that it is up to qazi to set the number of lashes and the way the punishment is to be carried out eg in one go or more than one go. A person who is weaker may need more than one go.

I shall leave this at that for other to ponder on.

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I think it is an accurate statement. The Taliban ARE the true followers of Islam. And therein lies the problem for the rest of us non-Muslims. We are left to try to "co-exist" with people who follow the Taliban philosophy. Tell me how that works for us? Those of you Muslims who sincerely disagree with this statement need to either (1) restrain them and denounce them or (2) get out of the way when we have to protect ourselves from them. Think drone strikes .....
 
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Dear friends, the talebanic islam is not the correct islam. Why not?

Not because I say so but kindly read the book of islam ie the quran.

The taleban are a backward people who think islam is all about living like the prophet of islam as he used to live in his time according to his circumstances and situations. So you will see all muslims who are of this mindset trying to do exactly that ie they try to sit like prophet, stand like prophet, eat like prophet, sleep like prophet, travel like prophet, communicate like prophet etc etc etc.

Their reason is mainly a verses in the quran which tells that the life of the prophet is best example to follow ie 33/21.

033.021 YUSUFALI: Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.

003.031 YUSUFALI: Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

The question is, do these like verses in the quran tell followers of the prophet to live exactly like the prophet used to? My answer is no, they don't as per talebanic understaning.

Reasons;

1)No two people are 100% similar not even the identical twins.
2)It is not humanly possible for anyone to have 100% information about anyone 100% accurate or true.
3)It is not humanly possible for anyone to be like anyone else 100%

4)The quran also tells muslims to follow abraham and his followers using exactly the same words eg 60/4.

5)The quran states that adam wore leaves to cover his body.

020.121 YUSUFALI: In the result, they both ate of the tree, and so their nakedness appeared to them: they began to sew together, for their covering, leaves from the Garden: thus did Adam disobey his Lord, and allow himself to be seduced.

The verses like these and many other verses which tell us stories of the prophet clearly show us that each of the prophets lived the way his people used to live. If the people lived in caves, the prophets also used to live in caves. If people lived in houses the prophets also lived in houses. They ate whatever others ate and drank whatever others drank, they travelled like people of their times and communicated like the rest of the people. What they did not do was from which allah stopped them.

The later prophets did not live like their forefather prophets eg like adam, noah, abraham, moses etc etc. The stories of david and solomon tell us how they lived.

This shows very clearly that following the prophet of islam does not mean living like him but living in one's own time and doing things the way situation and circumstances demand.

In short other than doing clearly unlawful or forbidden things one is free to live as one likes. That is the way all the prophets lived.

This shows very clearly that islam is progressive not backward like taleban want us to believe. They are simply put ignorant people giving bad name to islam. They make their own unislamic laws and attribute them to islam.

Islam is based on principle of social justice and fair play in all walks of life. Now justice and fair play is not possible where a society is such as cannot meet its needs and lawful desires.

Allah says in the quran;

007.031 YUSUFALI: O Children of Adam! wear your beautiful apparel at every time and place of prayer: eat and drink: But waste not by excess, for Allah loveth not the wasters.

007.032 YUSUFALI: Say: Who hath forbidden the beautiful (gifts) of Allah, which He hath produced for His servants, and the things, clean and pure, (which He hath provided) for sustenance? Say: They are, in the life of this world, for those who believe, (and) purely for them on the Day of Judgment. Thus do We explain the signs in detail for those who understand.

In fact the quran teaches muslims to pray for having good things in this life and in hereafter.

002.201 YUSUFALI: And there are men who say: "Our Lord! Give us good in this world and good in the Hereafter, and defend us from the torment of the Fire!"

003.148 YUSUFALI: And Allah gave them a reward in this world, and the excellent reward of the Hereafter. For Allah Loveth those who do good.

016.030 YUSUFALI: To the righteous (when) it is said, "What is it that your Lord has revealed?" they say, "All that is good." To those who do good, there is good in this world, and the Home of the Hereafter is even better and excellent indeed is the Home of the righteous,-

016.041 YUSUFALI: To those who leave their homes in the cause of Allah, after suffering oppression,- We will assuredly give a goodly home in this world; but truly the reward of the Hereafter will be greater. If they only realised (this)!

016.122 YUSUFALI: And We gave him Good in this world, and he will be, in the Hereafter, in the ranks of the Righteous.

From all this one should be able to see very clearly indeed that islam in the quranic context is nowhere near talebanic islam. The talebanic islam is all about taking us back in time where as the quranic islam is all about progress and prosperity of humanity. No wonder then that all progressive nations in the world are enemies of such muslims because they do not want to live like them.

Talebanic islam is full of bad practices that turns people backward and useless for themselves and others. Not being able to meet even their own needs and lawful desires never mind doing anything thing better for other human beings, for that you need to do more than what you need for yourself ie produce surplus in economic language.

I think muslims who understand islam better should confront taleban with these like undisputable facts to bring them to their senses. They are just being silly in the extreme.

I mean look at how many poeple they have stoned to death, how can they compensate them and how can they live with that is beyond me.

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MANSEHRA: Federal Minister for Tourism Maulana Attaur Rehman has said that Taliban are the true followers of Islamic ideology and the US has been creating hatred against them.

“Ulema and Taliban are the true followers of Islamic ideology and America is the biggest terrorist of the world, which is creating hatred against them,” said the minister while speaking at a public gathering in Allai here on Tuesday.

Mr Rehman said that the ongoing spate of terrorism could not be eliminated until the US and the world gave equal rights and respect to the Muslims.

“It is a misconception that ulema and Taliban are against coexistence of people with different religions, in fact it is America which is against the interfaith harmony to maintain its hegemony on the world,” said Mr Rehman, who belongs to the JUI-F.

Taliban true followers of Islam: minister DAWN.COM | Latest news, Breaking news, Pakistan News, World news, business, sport and multimedia

Lol a mullah thinks the Taliban are true muslims... any surprise.. :rolleyes:

Seriously.. not noteworthy news.
 
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Lol a mullah thinks the Taliban are true muslims... any surprise.. :rolleyes:

Seriously.. not noteworthy news.

Actually I have had suspicions for a long time that the TTP has links to Maulana Fazl Ur Rahman group... I may be wrong though...

I also think that we should make a distinction between TTP and the Taliban in Afghanistan...
 
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Actually I have had suspicions for a long time that the TTP has links to Maulana Fazl Ur Rahman group... I may be wrong though...

I also think that we should make a distinction between TTP and the Taliban in Afghanistan...

It is a know fact that Fazl ur Fat is a long time supporter of these Fundies, that is what infuriates me when IK actually buddies up with this fat looser.
 
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