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Taiwan's planned submarine fleet could forestall a potential Chinese invasion for decades


Analysis by Brad Lendon, CNN

Updated 0117 GMT (0917 HKT) December 20, 2020


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Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen attends a ceremony for the production of domestic-made submarines at a CSBC shipyard in Kaohsiung on November 24, 2020.
Hong Kong (CNN)Taiwan has begun building a fleet of state-of-the-art submarines as it looks to further bolster its defensive capabilities, a move analysts say could complicate any potential Chinese military plans to invade the island or install a naval blockade.
Construction on the first of eight new subs began last month at a facility in the southern port city of Kaohsiung, with the first expected to begin sea trials in 2025. At a ceremony marking the beginning of the program, Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen called it a "historic milestone" which "demonstrates Taiwan's strong will to the world."
Beijing claims full sovereignty over Taiwan, a democracy of almost 24 million people located off the southeastern coast of mainland China, despite the fact that the two sides have been governed separately for more than seven decades.
Chinese President Xi Jinping has vowed that Beijing will never allow the island to become independent and has refused to rule out the use of force if necessary. But Tsai has been defiant, saying Taiwan is at the forefront of "defending democracy from authoritarian aggression" in Asia.
For several months, China's People's Liberation Army has been increasing military pressure on the island, sending warplanes into Taiwan's air defense identification zone and stepping up military exercises on nearby islands, moves widely interpreted as a threat to Taipei.
But any PLA invasion flotilla would have to cross the Taiwan Strait, the relatively narrow body of water separating Taiwan from the mainland.
And that's where the analysts say Taiwan's planned submarines -- which would replace its fleet of four subs that date back as far as World War II -- could make a big difference.

Stealth weapons platform
Submarines remain among the world's leading stealth weapons platforms, and can exert a heavy toll on any potential enemy fleet.
The Taiwanese submarines are expected to be of the diesel-electric variety, running on diesel engines on the surface, but using ultra-quiet electric motors powered by long-lasting lithium ion batteries when submerged, analysts said.
Choosing the diesel-electric subs over nuclear-powered ones like the one the United States Navy -- and increasingly China -- field was an easy choice for Taipei. Diesel-electric subs are easier and cheaper to build. And when submerged the electric motors produce less noise than nuclear reactors.
The quiet-running subs would be difficult to detect for the PLA's anti-submarine warfare (ASW) units, analysts suggest, meaning they could lurk near the bottom of the Taiwan Strait and rise to pick off Beijing's troop transports as they make their way toward Taiwan.
"Chinese ASW capabilities are weak and the acoustic conditions in these very shallow, noisy waters are very difficult even for advanced ASW capabilities like those deployed by Japan and the US," said Owen Cote, associate director of the Security Studies Program at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and an expert on submarine warfare.
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Though it remains unclear precisely what technology the subs will be fitted with, earlier this year, Washington gave Taipei approval to acquire Mark 48 torpedoes.
"Every (large troop carrier) hit by a torpedo, particularly a modern one like the US Mark 48, removes a battalion of troops from the invasion force. So, no one is going to send those amphibious assault ships into the Strait until they are confident it is clear of submarines," said Carl Schuster, a former US Navy captain who is now an analyst at Hawaii Pacific University.
Besides using US torpedoes, the subs are expected to incorporate other leading US and Japanese technologies, analysts said.
Washington has long provided arms to the territory as part of the 40-year-old Taiwan Relations Act and recently approved several major arms sales to the island valued at some $10 billion in total, including dozens of F-16 fighter jets, M1A2T Abrams tanks and portable Stinger anti-aircraft missiles.
Taiwanese officials have previously expressed hope that the US would assist in providing additional key equipment and systems required for the submarines.

Uncharted waters

This is Taiwan's first foray into building large submarines -- they are expected to have a displacement of 2,500 to 3,000 metric tons -- and analysts say it remains to be seen if the island's shipbuilding industry is up to the task.
Taiwanese shipbuilder China Shipbuilding Corporation (CSBC) was awarded the contract to develop the indigenous submarine program after Taiwan was unable to secure a foreign supplier.
"If Taiwan can build these submarines -- and admittedly that is a big if given the island's complete inexperience in manufacturing advanced submarines -- these could be fairly advanced and effective," said Timothy Heath, senior international defense researcher at the RAND Corp think tank in Washington.
Schuster said Taiwan faces a learning curve in building the subs, and it could be well into the 2030s before it could get the full fleet of eight operational.
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But even if the program fails or is delayed, the analysts said Taiwan has other significant defenses it can put up against any Chinese military action.
Taiwan has a variety of anti-ship missiles, including the US-made Harpoon missile, as well as naval mines and midget submarines, said Sidharth Kaushal, research fellow for sea power at the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) in London.
"Collectively, these assets can make a cross-strait journey very risky for PLAN (People's Liberation Army Navy) vessels and thin out Chinese forces prior to any landing. In essence, submarines give Taiwan's forces one more vector of attack against China's still limited force of amphibious vessels," Kaushal said.

Balance of power still in Beijing's favor

The analysts said over the long term, Beijing still holds the clear upper hand militarily. It can bring dozens of submarines, surface ships, ground-launched missiles, air force bombers and strike aircraft to any conflict.
For instance, the US Defense Department says China's submarine fleet is expected to number between 65 and 70 vessels into the foreseeable future.
And China's military construction continues at breakneck speed, continuously adding more firepower to what already is the world's largest fleet.
Underscoring that point, just a week after Taiwan's sub program kicked off in Kaohsiung, China was showing off what it has to counter submarines.
"PLA anti-submarine warfare aircraft conducts depth charge attack drills, seen as deterrent to Taiwan secessionists," read a headline in the state-run Global Times. The story was topped by a picture of PLA Y-8 anti-submarine aircraft dropping a depth charge during an exercise in what the article called a "rare" report on Chinese ASW capabilities.
It also noted reports from Taiwan that Y-8s have been increasingly seen in the PLA aircraft incursions into Taiwan's air defense identification zone.
"The Y-8 anti-submarine warfare aircraft ... has been commissioned to the PLA Navy in large batches in recent years, and is of major significance in enhancing the service's anti-submarine warfare capability," the Global Times article said.

International credibility

But numbers don't take into account politics and personalities, and both come into play regarding the new submarines, analysts said.
Making them domestically brings Taipei important credibility with Washington, its most important ally, said Heath, the RAND researcher.
"Taiwan's determination to build submarines and invest in its own defense makes it easier for US officials to politically justify helping an island under attack from China since Taiwan is doing what it can to defend itself. By contrast, a Taiwan that did nothing to improve its self-defense capabilities would make it far harder politically for US officials to justify an intervention," Heath said.
Ultimately, it will be the US military that will have to protect Taiwan, he said.
"Absent any US intervention it is very probable that China would eventually find a way to suppress most or all of the subs," Heath said.
The personality calculus focuses on Xi, China's effective President for life.
"He is more of a cautious, careful and calculating leader than a bold and rash one," said Schuster.
"Deterrence lies in convincing him the price for attacking is higher than he can afford ... The submarines strengthen the possibility that will remain the case through the next 20 years," Schuster said.

CNN's Beijing bureau contributed to this report.
 
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Don't advise our little province develop more weapons again, it's useless. They can't be affordable to more arm race. They have cut off budget for medical insurance, retirement pension, technology study already. For selling weapons, the American are like bloodsuckers. At the end Taiwam people suffer.
 
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Taiwan's planned submarine fleet could forestall a potential Chinese invasion for decades

(CNN)Taiwan has begun building a fleet of state-of-the-art submarines as it looks to further bolster its defensive capabilities, a move analysts say could complicate any potential Chinese military plans to invade the island or install a naval blockade.
Construction on the first of eight new subs began last month at a facility in the southern port city of Kaohsiung, with the first expected to begin sea trials in 2025. At a ceremony marking the beginning of the program, Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen called it a "historic milestone" which "demonstrates Taiwan's strong will to the world."

Beijing claims full sovereignty over Taiwan, a democracy of almost 24 million people located off the southeastern coast of mainland China, despite the fact that the two sides have been governed separately for more than seven decades.

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LOL. Don't read too much fake news CNN, bad for brain. Only low IQ will believe CNN, not even a comma.
 
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LOL. Don't read too much fake news CNN, bad for brain. Only low IQ will believe CNN, not even a comma.
yes, we should believe in global times and CCP only. Ever wonder why Chinese high brains need to be told what to read/see/believe/behave/act/watch from the cradle to the grave. :meeting:

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I doubt the author considered the full extent of the massive ASW assets at the PLAN's disposal. Also, the Taiwan Strait is relatively narrow, which makes it much more dangerous for ROC subs to operate in. This is not even considering the state of Taiwanese submarine technology, which is very lacking to say the least. More a publicity stunt and an attempt to divert attention away from the slowly deteriorating ROC armed forces rather than an attempt to fix anything.
 
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I doubt the author considered the full extent of the massive ASW assets at the PLAN's disposal. Also, the Taiwan Strait is relatively narrow, which makes it much more dangerous for ROC subs to operate in. This is not even considering the state of Taiwanese submarine technology, which is very lacking to say the least. More a publicity stunt and an attempt to divert attention away from the slowly deteriorating ROC armed forces rather than an attempt to fix anything.

I don't think I agree with this regarding strait being narrow having any effects but however I do agree that China has capable subs herself which could make things interesting but could Taiwan hold back china for some time? Yes if the defenses is set probably they can hold China for sometime but eventually China will outlast them due to endless manpower and resources
 
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So how many submarines Taiwan intend to get in total in next five years ?
 
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I don't think I agree with this regarding strait being narrow having any effects but however I do agree that China has capable subs herself which could make things interesting but could Taiwan hold back china for some time? Yes if the defenses is set probably they can hold China for sometime but eventually China will outlast them due to endless manpower and resources
They don't even have chance to hold sometime if PLA decide to invade Taiwan. PLA yearly budget is nearly USD200 billion. You can check out the amount of MRL of over 130km range possess by PLA. Once all defense is flatten. The massive airborne help and strategic lifter can even lift an army to Taiwan in just few hours.
 
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People are inflating the Taiwanese balloon for funny reasons. 10 or 20 Subs wouldnt be able to do much against China in any war. The Chinese can overwhelm Taiwanese defenses in a week time the only thing that stops china from Invading is the reaction of the world not Taiwanese military.
 
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They don't even have chance to hold sometime if PLA decide to invade Taiwan. PLA yearly budget is nearly USD200 billion. You can check out the amount of MRL of over 130km range possess by PLA. Once all defense is flatten. The massive airborne help and strategic lifter can even lift an army to Taiwan in just few hours.

They have solid air-defense systems so landing with aircraft carrying troops is risky at the beginning stages coming from the sea is the best choice. Even from 1 km from the shores would be okay enough dropping them of their to swim the remaining distance while hidden under the dark of the night
 
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They have solid air-defense systems so landing with aircraft carrying troops is risky at the beginning stages coming from the sea is the best choice. Even from 1 km from the shores would be okay enough dropping them of their to swim the remaining distance while hidden under the dark of the night
You must be kidding me, solid air defense? How many patriot they have? A single air defense missile take out a cheap beidou III guide MRL rocket is not worth the price.

PLA can throw hundred thousands of these rocket over to Taiwan. Do Taiwan even have more than a thousand of patriot missile?

I suggest u better read up more of Chinese missile/rocket arsenal before opening such propaganda article by CNN. These are nothing but to delude themselves and Taiwanese that Taiwan is capable of defending against PLA. Not even half a day, taiwanese has any chance to hold PLA, if they decide to attack them. There is a reason why China military is called a threat to US.
 
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