Taiwan has $57.9 billion trade surplus for 2017 | Xinhua

[Viet]

No, I did not overstate the importance of patents.

You can't sell anything of value in the United States without patents.

Your brain seems to be stuck 200 years in the past when you mention the steam engine.

This is the MODERN WORLD.

Every year, there are thousands of patent lawsuits in the United States.

In the modern world, you cannot sell a product in the United States (the world's largest market) or in China (the world's second largest market) if you infringe on another company's patent.
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By the way, are those Turkish forum members still around?

Turkey was granted a meager 136 USPTO patents for an entire year (see chart in earlier post with Taiwan's and Vietnam's annual USPTO patents granted).

Compare that to China's 11,241 USPTO patents received for last year.

As you can see, it is ridiculous to compare Turkey to Chinese technology.

ok I agree invention and innovation are great. yes, China is great. the problem is not every country can be China. we are sadly not so as smart as Chinese. however one thing you should keep in mind, having patent is one thing, making it commercial is another thing. you invented noodles, but nobody talks about chinese noodles, but Vietnamese made Pho´s. there are too many Pho restos in the world to count.

 

[Martian2]

ok I agree invention and innovation are great. yes, China is great. not every country can be China. one thing you should keep in mind, having patent is one thing, making it commercial is another thing. you invented noodles, but nobody talks about chinese noodles, but Vietnamese made Pho´s. there are too many Pho restos to count.

China's Huawei owns a ton of SDN patents.

China's DJI owns drone patents.

These are multi-billion dollar Chinese companies.

China's MIDEA also owns many patents. MIDEA is a $24 billion company in sales.

China's SANY owns a mountain of construction equipment patents.

China is full of multi-billion dollar companies with large patent portfolios.
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My point is that no Vietnamese company will ever compete with Chinese technology companies during our lifetime.

Vietnamese companies have almost ZERO patents.

Vietnam cannot compete in any industrial or technological sector. With one lawsuit, Vietnamese products will be barred from world markets.

 

[Viet]

I don't think you know how to read that chart.

At the beginning of 2014, one US dollar purchased 21,000 Vietnamese Dongs.

Today, one US dollar buys about 23,000 Vietnamese Dong.

The same US dollar buys MORE Vietnamese Dongs today than three years ago.

That's not stable. That's about 10% depreciation of the Vietnamese currency in the last three years.

we had trade deficits until recently, second, VN had to devaluate VND to make the products more competitive on export markets. the US dollar has increased in value a lot against other currencies. the US economy is very strong. ok China currency is another story.

 

[seesonic]

you are talking of the past. VN currency has been stable to the dollar since years. VND has even increased in value recently. you can compare VND to other currencies that crashed.

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Stable my ***.

Your government devalued its currency yet again in back in 2015. I think the dong and IDR are among the weakest currency in recent years both are managed by incompetent people just like India's failed demonetization which "legalized" money laundering.

 

[Viet]

China's Huawei owns a ton of SDN patents.

China's DJI owns drone patents.

These are multi-billion dollar Chinese companies.

China's MIDEA also owns many patents. MIDEA is a $24 billion company in sales.

China is full of multi-billion dollar companies with large patent portfolios.
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My point is that no Vietnamese company will ever compete with Chinese technology companies during our lifetime.

Vietnamese companies have almost ZERO patents.

Vietnam cannot compete in any industrial or technological sector. With one lawsuit, Vietnamese products will be barred from world markets.

what SDN? is it software-defined networking? if yes, can you say more about it? I am interested of the topic.

ok let´s see. VN shipped 70% more computers and components to China last year, totally $3 billion. phones and electronics components 700% more, totally $5.4 billion. I think we can do that. you invent stuff, we produce. win win.

 

[Martian2]

what SDN? is it software-defined networking? if yes, can you say more about it? I am interested of the topic.

ok let´s see. VN shipped 70% more computers and components to China last year, totally $3 billion. phones and electronics components 700% more, totally $5.4 billion. I think we can do that. you invent stuff, we produce. win win.

Huawei was a pioneer in software-defined-networking (SDN). Huawei sells its SDN products to data centers. Huawei had $92 billion in sales last year. By owning patents, including SDN patents, Huawei can shut out any emerging competitor without patents.

The point is Huawei faces little or no competition from countries like Vietnam, which had five USPTO patents last year. Huawei's telecom market is off-limits to patentless countries like Vietnam.

Without indigenous patents, Vietnam will never have any presence in telecom, semiconductor fabrication, heavy construction equipment, drone, specialty chemicals, etc. industries.

Where does that leave Vietnam? Exactly in the same position as Mexico. A country with "screwdriver" plants that assemble products for foreign companies with PATENTS.
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Software-Defined Networking: Opportunities And Challenges | Forbes (February 24, 2015)
"Huawei has worked with a data center services provider to deploy SDN over its internal network. Having previously invested billions of dollars each year to achieve a bandwidth usage rate of only 30%, by upgrading to a dedicated WAN controller, our customer’s WAN link usage rate increased to more than 90%, which in turn significantly reduced the rental cost of WAN links to their customers."

 

[Viet]

Huawei was a pioneer in software-defined-networking (SDN). Huawei sells its SDN products to data centers. Huawei had $92 billion in sales last year. By owning patents, including SDN patents, Huawei can shut out any emerging competitor without patents.

The point is Huawei faces little or no competition from countries like Vietnam, which had five USPTO patents last year. Huawei's telecom market is off-limits to patentless countries like Vietnam.
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Software-Defined Networking: Opportunities And Challenges | Forbes (February 24, 2015)
"Huawei has worked with a data center services provider to deploy SDN over its internal network. Having previously invested billions of dollars each year to achieve a bandwidth usage rate of only 30%, by upgrading to a dedicated WAN controller, our customer’s WAN link usage rate increased to more than 90%, which in turn significantly reduced the rental cost of WAN links to their customers."

but what SDN patent that Huawei invents?

ok I reveal you a secret. VN strength is not invention but cloning. what do you think why vietnamese behave like chinese from culture to custom? Viettel is one example. the company produces all telecom hardware, glas fibre, modems, etc... you can guess where our people got the expertise and technology.

you can give us the technology, we will produce things cheaper with better quality for the world market. Look Myanmar. Viettel is about to launch 4G network after entering the market a year. give us a handbook how to make ICBM, I promise you, we make 1,000 pieces next year. or nuclear submarines.

 

[Martian2]

but what SDN patent that Huawei invents?

ok I reveal you a secret. VN strength is not invention but cloning. what do you think why vietnamese behave like chinese from culture to custom? Viettel is one example. the company produces all telecom hardware, glas fibre, modems, etc... you can guess where our people got the expertise and technology.

you can give us the technology, we will produce things cheaper with better quality for the world market. Look Myanmar. Viettel is about to launch 4G network after entering the market a year. give us a handbook how to make ICBM, I promise you, we make 1,000 pieces next year. or nuclear submarines.

Cloning? Are you an idiot?

What have I been saying throughout this thread?

When you get hit with a patent lawsuit, you have been put out of business if you don't have a large patent portfolio to defend yourself.

The modern world is governed by patents. According to international agreement, a patent is valid for 20 years. As new patents are filed, you are locked out of the industry.

Your plan is cloning? Are you a complete moron? Which planet do you live on? Do you read the daily business news about companies losing multimillion dollar judgments for patent infringement and having injunctions issued against them?
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Huawei owns patents for SDN controllers.

 

[Viet]

Cloning? Are you an idiot?

What have I been saying throughout this thread?

When you get hit with a patent lawsuit, you have been put out of business if you don't have a large patent portfolio to defend yourself.

The modern world is governed by patents. According to international agreement, a patent is valid for 20 years. As new patents are filed, you are locked out of the industry.

Your plan is cloning? Are you a complete moron? Which planet do you live on? Do you read the daily business news about companies losing multimillion dollar judgments for patent infringement and having injunctions issued against them?
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Huawei owns patents for SDN controllers.

well the trick is how to copy or clone the technology from others without facing a lawsuit. ha ha.

Huawei owns patents for SDN controllers?

you have humour. I fast read the patent texts. it is a proposal how to reduce overhead in LLDP communications. Lldp is a protocol between OpenFlow switches, not Controller, or to be precise Ofdp.

 

[Martian2]

well the trick is how to copy or clone the technology from others without facing a lawsuit. ha ha.

Huawei owns patents for SDN controllers?

you have humour. I fast read the patent texts. it is a proposal how to reduce overhead in LLDP communications. Lldp is a protocol between OpenFlow switches, not Controller, or to be precise Ofdp.

Try reading the heading for the Huawei patent. It says SDN controller and device. Can you read English?

Copying technology without facing a lawsuit. Yeah, right. That's why there exists an army of patent lawyers.
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My point is that Vietnam obtains five USPTO patents per year.

Without indigenous patented technology, Vietnam will remain a third-world country during our lifetime.

If you can't innovate, you can't climb the technological ladder to become a wealthy country.

Taiwan climbed the USPTO ladder to reach 12,000 annual USPTO patents granted.

China climbed the USPTO ladder to reach 11,000 annual USPTO patents granted.

Vietnam is currently at 5 USPTO patents granted per year. Vietnam is a stagnant country with virtually ZERO innovation. It has no future as an industrial or technological power.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

China is great.

Pho is tasty.

 

[Viet]

Try reading the heading for the Huawei patent. It says SDN controller and device. Can you read English?

Copying technology without facing a lawsuit. Yeah, right. That's why there exists an army of patent lawyers.
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My point is that Vietnam obtains five USPTO patents per year.

Without indigenous patented technology, Vietnam will remain a third-world country during our lifetime.

If you can't innovate, you can't climb the technological ladder to become a wealthy country.

Taiwan climbed the USPTO ladder to reach 12,000 annual USPTO patents granted.

China climbed the USPTO ladder to reach 11,000 annual USPTO patents granted.

Vietnam is currently at 5 USPTO patents granted per year. Vietnam is a stagnant country with virtually ZERO innovation. It has no future as an industrial or technological power.

you are wasting my time. it is you who can´t read nor understand. neither english nor technology.

yes the title says something with SDN controller, but where can I read anything SDN controller in filed patent? Controller does not speak Lldp. man try harder. in case you haven´t known: again, it is a protocol between switches. and the chinese authors suggested some improvements. I wonder who in the world would use it.

 

[Martian2]

you are wasting my time. it is you who can´t read nor understand. neither english nor technology.

yes the title says something with SDN controller, but where can I read anything SDN controller in filed patent? Controller does not speak Lldp. man try harder. in case you haven´t known: again, it is a protocol between switches. and the chinese authors suggested some improvements. I wonder who in the world would use it.

Huawei is the expert in SDN technologies as a pioneer. No one cares what an internet guy thinks about Huawei's SDN technology. Huawei says its SDN. That's the end of the story.
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I'm pretty sure that you are wrong about the "Vietnamese" exports of computer parts to China. Those aren't from Vietnamese companies. Those are most likely Vietnamese subsidiaries of Chinese and Taiwanese companies.

The Chinese and Taiwanese companies own the patents for those computer parts. Thus, they are legally manufactured in Vietnam and sent to China.

If Vietnam tried to illegally manufacture computer parts without a license from a Chinese, Taiwanese, or western company, it would be shut down with a lawsuit.
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Here is my bottom line. If your country can't produce 10,000 USPTO patents per year, there is no point discussing the country. We never reach the question of quality. Without 10,000 annual USPTO patents, there is insufficient quantity.

Since Vietnam produces 5 USPTO patents per year, I think Vietnam is a completely irrelevant country. There is no indigenous technology originating from Vietnam and it has no future. A meaningless third-world country with absolutely no impact on the world.

 

[Viet]

Huawei is the expert in SDN technologies as a pioneer. No one cares what an internet guy thinks about Huawei's SDN technology. Huawei says its SDN. That's the end of the story.
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I'm pretty sure that you are wrong about the "Vietnamese" exports of computer parts to China. Those aren't from Vietnamese companies. Those are most likely Vietnamese subsidiaries of Chinese and Taiwanese companies.

The Chinese and Taiwanese companies own the patents for those computer parts. Thus, they are legally manufactured in Vietnam and sent to China.

If Vietnam tried to illegally manufacture computer parts without a license from a Chinese, Taiwanese, or western company, it would be shut down with a lawsuit.
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Here is my bottom line. If your country can't produce 10,000 USPTO patents per year, there is no point discussing the country. We never reach the question of quality. Without 10,000 annual USPTO patents, there is insufficient quantity.

Since Vietnam produces 5 USPTO patents per year, I think Vietnam is a completely irrelevant country. There is no indigenous technology originating from Vietnam and it has no future. A meaningless third-world country with absolutely no impact on the world.

you are a funny guy. Huawei is God or what? ok the title says SDN. ok you won.

ok no problem if you don´t want to talk to inferior nationals residing in countries with lower number of patents. I have no problem with. no wonder you produce 10,000 USPTO patents per year, every single little improvement is worth a patent. even nobody in the world needs it.

 

[Martian2]

Taiwan's AUO owns 6,000 patents. It has another 5,500 patents pending.

South Korea's LG infringed on four of Taiwan's AUO patents for manufacturing LCD displays.

LG settled with Taiwan's AUO to remove the threat of an injunction.

Chinese and Taiwanese companies own a mountain of patents. How do you avoid being sued out of existence if you don't own a significant number of USPTO patents in that industry?

Will we ever see Vietnamese companies compete against Chinese and Taiwanese companies?
The answer is clearly no.
Vietnam owns 5 USPTO patents annually and it would never survive a lawsuit.
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AUO scores patent lawsuit decision over LG Display | Endgadget (May 3, 2010)

"LG Display may want to be more careful where it aims those patent lawsuits next time, after a dispute it kicked off with AUO has lead to a finding by a U.S. District court that it actually violated AUO's patents and not the other way around. Say hello to patent Nos 6,778,160, 6,689,629, 7,125,157 and 7,090,506, covering 'technologies help to improve response time, improve reliability of LCDs, solve the problem of defects in the displayed images, and provide a very compact structure useful for small handheld devices, respectively.' So far AUO is indicating that it will seek an injunction preventing LG from shipping its potentially infringing HDTVs, monitors, notebooks and even phones to the U.S, plus some other legal tough talk for good measure.
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As one of the leading companies in the design, research and development, and manufacturing of TFT-LCDs, AUO is a technology innovator with a strong emphasis on R&D for display technologies. Established in 2002 and located in Taiwan's Hsinchu Science Park, AUO Technology Center is Taiwan's largest R&D facility for optoelectronics, and currently houses more than 1,700 dedicated R&D engineers. As of the end of 2009, AUO owns nearly 6,000 patents worldwide, with over 5,500 additional patent applications pending, which places it number 1 among Taiwan's flat panel industry."