T-84 oplot M fails testing what now for the army, in terms of tanks?

[kaonalpha]

Maybe any rational man can understand that tank can not be equiped with "radar and other technologies found on the Sukhoi T-50"...



Thanks, is there any official facts to support this?

can you please give the details .

 

[cabatli_53]

Pak will get TOT of Turkey your post just shows your ignorance about Pakistan and Turkey relations. Every weapon we are getting from Turkey is coming with TOT. Still Pakistan would never choose Altay. Altay is way too heavy Tank for us.

That is true. Whenever brothers requested ToT, It is given to the hands of them. I see It is the same When Turkey requested technology from friendly countries as well. Past examples introduce that It will be similar in following procurement projects. As far as I know, The latest ToT deal was software defined radio technology. Software defined radioes are known as critical and difficult to develop but Pakistan institutes are producing them on their own at present. It is made similar for T155 Panter howitzers, fleet tanker project, Nurol armoured vehicle production projects as well. In additions, Pakistan is the rare country (along with S. Korea) which is using Turkish artillery training center and Electronic warfare&training range software and simulation systems which is adopted to Pakistani arsenals thanks to common efforts of Turk&Pakistani engineers.

 

[Zarvan]

That is true. Whenever brothers requested ToT, It is given to the hands of them. I see It is the same When Turkey requested technology from friendly countries as well. Past examples introduce that It will be similar in following procurement projects. As far as I know, The latest ToT deal was software defined radio technology. Software defined radioes are known as critical and difficult to develop but Pakistan institutes are producing them on their own at present. It is made similar for T155 Panter howitzers, fleet tanker project, Nurol armoured vehicle production projects as well. In additions, Pakistan is the rare country (along with S. Korea) which is using Turkish artillery training center and Electronic warfare&training range software and simulation systems which is adopted to Pakistani arsenals thanks to common efforts of Turk&Pakistani engineers.

I think your Armored Vechiles are better I think we need to buy MRAP and APC and IFV from you Turkey. By the way has Kaplan 20 and Tulpur IFVs entered mass production

 

[Blue Marlin]

That is true. Whenever brothers requested ToT, It is given to the hands of them. I see It is the same When Turkey requested technology from friendly countries as well. Past examples introduce that It will be similar in following procurement projects. As far as I know, The latest ToT deal was software defined radio technology. Software defined radioes are known as critical and difficult to develop but Pakistan institutes are producing them on their own at present. It is made similar for T155 Panter howitzers, fleet tanker project, Nurol armoured vehicle production projects as well. In additions, Pakistan is the rare country (along with S. Korea) which is using Turkish artillery training center and Electronic warfare&training range software and simulation systems which is adopted to Pakistani arsenals thanks to common efforts of Turk&Pakistani engineers.

but turkey has one problem. and its a big one. and its called china. when ever a country like turkey gives pakistans an excellent offer example good finance terms and tot, Pakistan is interested. and so is china, then they cut you out and give an offer to good to be refused. hence cutting out turkey. sure some projects slipped through the net the t155 howitzers got through.

my personal favourites that Pakistan should have sticked with, the t129.
the t129 is an excellent helicopter and one that will annoy pakistans adversaries mainly to the east (no names mentioned). the engine licence agreement did kill it, but turkey is procuring a licence to export the engines. and Pakistan should grab the opportunity and take and stretch it. but china has plans too the z10 may and most possibly will be made in Pakistan with tot. and will come string free as they usually do.

i dont know this, maybe someone can answer this, but is the t129 100% turkish? (except for the engines) if so then ditch the z10 can get the t129

 

[Super Falcon]

Well in both cases Army take its time to decide which will be army armour front line beast

 

[princefaisal]

my personal favourites that Pakistan should have sticked with, the t129.
the t129 is an excellent helicopter and one that will annoy pakistans adversaries mainly to the east (no names mentioned). the engine licence agreement did kill it, but turkey is procuring a licence to export the engines. and Pakistan should grab the opportunity and take and stretch it. but china has plans too the z10 may and most possibly will be made in Pakistan with tot. and will come string free as they usually do.

i dont know this, maybe someone can answer this, but is the t129 100% turkish? (except for the engines) if so then ditch the z10 can get the t129
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Without getting US NOC about sale of engines to Pakistan, T129 cannot be procured. However Turkey can get WZ-16 turboshaft engines from China & then sell T-129 to Pakistan

 

[Zarvan]

but turkey has one problem. and its a big one. and its called china. when ever a country like turkey gives pakistans an excellent offer example good finance terms and tot, Pakistan is interested. and so is china, then they cut you out and give an offer to good to be refused. hence cutting out turkey. sure some projects slipped through the net the t155 howitzers got through.

my personal favourites that Pakistan should have sticked with, the t129.
the t129 is an excellent helicopter and one that will annoy pakistans adversaries mainly to the east (no names mentioned). the engine licence agreement did kill it, but turkey is procuring a licence to export the engines. and Pakistan should grab the opportunity and take and stretch it. but china has plans too the z10 may and most possibly will be made in Pakistan with tot. and will come string free as they usually do.

i dont know this, maybe someone can answer this, but is the t129 100% turkish? (except for the engines) if so then ditch the z10 can get the t129
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The problem is not China the problem is USA. T-129 despite being a great platform has one major issue that Turkey doesn't build its engine and we can't take the risk that what if USA doesn't supply us engine after few years. So if Turkey soon starts producing the engine on its own we would for sure go for this helicopter.
@cabatli_53

 

[Path-Finder]

Without getting US NOC about sale of engines to Pakistan, T129 cannot be procured. However Turkey can get WZ-16 turboshaft engines from China & then sell T-129 to Pakistan

Will that work? can WZ-16 turboshaft engines be planted in T-129?

 

[al_asad_al_mulk]

We are calling our Al Khalid 1 & 2 super duper Tank then why we are purchasing T-84 oplot M.

 

[Zarvan]

We are calling our Al Khalid 1 & 2 super duper Tank then why we are purchasing T-84 oplot M.

T-84 Oplot M will replace our older Tanks like T-69 and T-85 and AK 2 will be our MBT specially for Desert Area.

 

[cabatli_53]

The problem is not China the problem is USA. T-129 despite being a great platform has one major issue that Turkey doesn't build its engine and we can't take the risk that what if USA doesn't supply us engine after few years. So if Turkey soon starts producing the engine on its own we would for sure go for this helicopter.
@cabatli_53

The problem is not about engine. There is not any single official statements about it, but just gossips. Besides, Turkiye selected same engine for Turkish utility helicopter project. Those projects are commenced to meet the requirements of not only Turkey, but also ally armies so Export opportunities are being considered at the beggining of those projects. Engine selections are also done with considering all those factors. If USA put some restrictions for LHTEC engine, Turkish officials would not select same engine for another strategic helicopter project.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Without getting US NOC about sale of engines to Pakistan, T129 cannot be procured. However Turkey can get WZ-16 turboshaft engines from China & then sell T-129 to Pakistan

i was just thing of that as the Us engines produce 1361hp while the wz-16 engines produce 1300hp I'm sure an upgrade will get it up to power but i think the American engines will be more efficient . so the mrt390 is the best option for you guys, as it more powerful than the two at 1465hp and it fits on the european tiger which is extremely similar to the t129

Will that work? can WZ-16 turboshaft engines be planted in T-129?

read my latest post you to @Zarvan

 

[Zarvan]

The problem is not about engine. There is not any single official statements about it, but just gossips. Besides, Turkiye selected same engine for Turkish utility helicopter project. Those projects are commenced to meet the requirements of not only Turkey, but also ally armies so Export opportunities are being considered at the beggining of those projects. Engine selections are also done with considering all those factors. If USA put some restrictions for LHTEC engine, Turkish officials would not select same engine for another strategic helicopter project.

Sir our issue is engine we have bad history with USA they have on every crucial occasion stopped weapon supplies so we won't take the risk any more .

 

[cabatli_53]

Sir our issue is engine we have bad history with USA they have on every crucial occasion stopped weapon supplies so we won't take the risk any more .

Those embargo like statements are just being talked among members in forums. What I see from outside is that Pakistan procurement officials keep ordering Western products from Italy, USA, France and others, even looking for AH-1Z in same tender. You can see many examples in your inventory. Nothing special for Turkish platform using USA engine. There is not any obstacle for Russia to cut supplies for their Mi series helicopters Pakistan plans to order...

 

[Zarvan]

Those embargo like statements are just being talked among members in forums. What I see from outside is that Pakistan procurement officials keep ordering Western products from Italy, USA, France and others. You can see many examples in your inventory. Nothing special for Turkish platform using USA engine.

No Sir USA is crucial here we haven't any problem with these countries in times of war but USA they did stabbed on our back many times in wars. Engine are most crucial part in any of the machine we won't take that risk.