Swiss agree to outlaw facial coverings in 'burqa ban' vote

[Imran Khan]

good to see they are apply laws on their country no one have right to say anything

 

[newb3e]

Their country, their rules....

Like users here say, liberals and Aurat March folks can leave Pakistan.

Hardline Islamists can leave Switzerland.

Hijab isn't banned. Niqab and the full burqa is. If they had banned Hijab, that would have been a breach of personal liberties. Covering your entire face lest some non Mahram's polluting gaze falls on you does not fit in with Europe's norms. They fought bloody wars to get rid of such dogma.

so we cant have our rule in our country? when we ebforce them aurat byaches cry! kia ya munafiqat nai?

 

[lightoftruth]

"The burqa creates a barrier between the person wearing it and the environment and thus prevents integration into society"

The reason is apt and justified, this should be emulated in other countries as well.

 

[newb3e]

You don't sound cool though,just saying.
Don't even get started on how minorities are treated in muslim majority countries.

yindoo lands heaven for minorities!

youll get murdered for eating beef!

"The burqa creates a barrier between the person wearing it and the environment and thus prevents integration into society"

The reason is apt and justified, this should be emulated in other countries as well.

inferiority complex alert! hindu stuck on past!

 

[N.Siddiqui]

good to see they are apply laws on their country no one have right to say anything

Ironic!!!

Everyone is donning a Hijab these days....

 

[darksider]

You don't sound cool though,just saying.
Don't even get started on how minorities are treated in muslim majority countries.

We treat them better than india though.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

I am totally cool with that they dont want to see burqa wearing women. it's their country their rules.
But don't cry if we create a rule against their Christian beliefs as a Muslim majority country.

I find this very hypocritical, diabolic and reeks of racism and oppression...

I am not a Burka lover...but.

This ban on Burka(or it is Hijab/face cover) is against the basic right of every human to dress according to his/her beliefs, religiously, culturally and traditionally.

Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Rollno21]

yindoo lands heaven for minorities!

youll get murdered for eating beef!

inferiority complex alert! hindu stuck on past!

Yes it is otherwise you would not be posting this post today.india has accepted all minorities from every where who were oppressed in their homeland any where in the world.
Some incidents would have happened but state dsnt support such things unlike your islamic country.

 

[newb3e]

Yes it is otherwise you would not be posting this post today.india has accepted all minorities from every where who were oppressed in their homeland any where in the world.
Some incidents would have happened but state dsnt support such things unlike your islamic country.

my country is great for minorities talking from personal experience!

there is a corner store in our area a middle class area very religious and that shops owner is hindu and we all respect him and treat him like our own! we dont lynch him bro! many such examples in Pakistan google kund kot the whole area is dominated by hindu!

 

[Rollno21]

We treat them better than india though.

Says who ,heck being a muslim country you don't even have all the sects of islam but we do,forget about other religions.

 

[Maarkhoor]

"The burqa creates a barrier between the person wearing it and the environment and thus prevents integration into society"

The reason is apt and justified, this should be emulated in other countries as well.

What about face masks? u genius..

Yesterday your one I.D banned and now you come back with this I.D.....

@waz @Areesh @DESERT FIGHTER
He is DOC

 

[shah_123]

Their country, their rules....

Like users here say, liberals and Aurat March folks can leave Pakistan.

Hardline Islamists can leave Switzerland.

Allama Muhammad Iqbal:
Throw them out in the galley,
The new civilization’s eggs are rotten.

I believe the time is near when the rotten eggs of new civilization will be thrown to the countries whose (rotten) language they speak.

 

[hussain0216]

The basis of this law is prejudice even if the reasoning has some basis

Muslim populations in the west are increasing

It is always imperative that those Muslim populations struggle and fight for civil rights and push back whenever prejudiced laws are bought against them


Passing the faith to the next generation
Spreading the faith to the willing
Practising the faith in the face of prejudice
All these things are essential for our communities


You want to see them pissed off for no reason, practice and spread the faith within the law

Nothing to add.
I just hope France politic leaders to assume same decision.
We don't need islamists. They can (and have to) leave our old Europe to one of these marvellous 57 country in the world where islam is the official religion.

And sorry if there is no social help and generosity in these country....

These are the consequences of your brutal and evil colonial past, no point crying about it now sunny

 

[jamahir]

I think it is in India that a greater percentage of women wear the burqa than anywhere else in the world. India is saturated with the burqa. A phenomenon of the last 15 to 20 years.

As for the legitimacy of the burqa there is nothing Islamic about the veil / niqab / burqa. It is a pre-Islamic artifact. Actually a Jewish tradition. An Egyptian woman parliamentarian and academic, Amna Nosseir, has researched on this and has called for a ban on the burqa :

An Egyptian lawmaker has said members of parliament are drafting a law that would ban women from wearing the burqa in government institutions after alleging the Islamic full-face veil was a "Jewish tradition".

Amna Nosseir said on Sunday that the proposed ban would be in the best interest of Egyptian society and that she has been battling against the burqa over the past 40 years.

Nosseir, who wears the hijab, said on Wednesday that the burqa - known in Arabic as the niqab - had its origins in Jewish religious law.

"In the Old Testament, you find in chapter 38 that the Jewish religious authorities tell you that if Jewish women leave the house without covering the face and head then they are breaking Jewish religious law," the lawmaker said during an interview with local media.

"I have gathered around 20 texts by Jewish religious authorities that completely forbid women from showing their faces and heads," Nosseir said while discussing also banning female university students from wearing "ripped jeans" in lectures.

She added that this part of Jewish law became entrenched in pre-Islamic Arab tribes of the Arabian Peninsula and then spread throughout the Middle East with the Muslim conquests.

The verse the lawmaker could be referring to is Genesis 38, where a biblical figure encounters his daughter-in-law in the street and mistakes her for a prostitute because she had covered her face with a veil.

It is to be observed that modern Muslim progressive leaders like Nasser, Gaddafi, Saddam ( whatever be some political decisions of Saddam ) and the Assads disallowed their female family members from wearing the burqa and their countries during their leadership generally discouraged the burqa. It is also to be observed that it was Western-supported Muslim leaders who encouraged burqa. Example, in Afghanistan in the 80s the socialist government enabled women at least in the cities to go without the burqa but the Western governments birthed the Al Qaeda and later the Taliban who brought the burqa back.

Watch this vid about Nasser recalling his meeting with the chief of the Muslim Brotherhood who wanted Nasser to impose the burqa on Egyptian women. Note the reaction of the audience.

This article describes the West-boot-licking anti-women attitude of the Muslim Brotherhood gang :

“The parties were dissolved, and we clashed with the Muslim Brotherhood party, during the four years, in 1953 and in 1954 … We were embroiled in dispute, they declared war against us, and they shot at me on October, 26, 1954 in Alexandria … Terrorist members in the Muslim Brotherhood party were arrested, and they were judged,” Nasser said during the statement.

“In 1954, we were negotiating with the British [forces occupying Egypt at the time] for the evacuation [deal]. At the same time, the Muslim Brotherhood members were holding secret meetings with the members of the British Embassy. They were telling them: we will be able to seize power,” Nasser said.

The late President said that the Muslim Brotherhood party has never held the patriotic feelings which Egyptians have held, adding: “The Supreme Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood at the time when we were fighting in the Canal was asked: what is your stance on the war in the canal. He said: We are a wide (international) call. Perhaps the war in the canal comes for your benefit here in Egypt, while we think it is beneficial to fight in another country.”

“This is the call of the Muslim Brotherhood. All of [their] speech is full of deception and [exploitation of] religion,” Nasser stated.

Similar to what happened following 2011 revolution when people decided to reconcile with the Muslim Brotherhood, perhaps because the youth who led the January revolution were not familiar with the MB policies, Abdel Nasser said he reconciled with the MB members, explaining that the reconciliation however, failed to turn them into good citizens.

“In 1953, we actually and honestly wanted to cooperate with the Muslim Brotherhood supposing that [this will make its members] take the right path. I met with the General guide of the Muslim Brotherhood. He issued [some] demands,” Nasser said.

The late President said that the MB guide asked him to force Egyptian women to wear Islamic veil and to shut cinemas and theaters.

Nasser said: “He told me that you as a ruler is responsible [for veiling women]. I told him, you have a daughter in the Faculty of Medicine who is unveiled. Why didn’t you force her to wear a veil? If you are not able to make your daughter wear a veil, [how] would you want me to [force] 10 million women to wear veils in the country?”

“Then, [he told me] that women must not [go to] work. I think that when a woman works, we are protecting her [this way]. Why do [some women] go astray? They do so because of the need and poverty. We all know such stories of women whose sons or mothers are sick and they did not find money, so they were forced to sell their bodies. Therefore, work is a protection for women, while preventing women from work [works] against her. We actually liberate women by [allowing] them to work and cooperate with the man,” Nasser added.

“Last year, in 1964, before the constitution, I released them all from the prison, and we issued a law to return every one of them to his work with the same salary and promotion prospects. In 1965, we seized the new conspiracy of the Muslim Brotherhood; secret system, and assassination and destruction plans,” the late President said.

Nasser said that Muslim Brotherhood group says that all the [Egyptian] people are disbelievers, and that the MB members are the only Muslims. According to Nasser, The MB members say they refuse people representation, and the Parliament. He added that the MB group considers the kings and presidents of the Arab and other countries as disbelievers, and that the MB members are the only Muslim people.

“They were arrested, and we also arrested all old MB organizations … It is not about the assassination of Gamal Abdel Nasser. If Abdel Nasser was assassinated, a thousand people similar to Gamal Abdel Nasser would emerge, but we can never accept that [our] people be assassinated,” Nasser stated.

“We started to view [their cases]; all people who participated in these secret organizations will be referred to judgment. All dangerous people who we released in 1964 and had basically represented heads or dangerous members in the secret organizations will be [imprisoned]. After that, the rest of [the MB group members] will be released. We will give them another chance. If somebody of them [commits similar illegal actions] we will arrest him and we will never get him out of prison.”

“It is enough. We cannot take a gamble on the rewards we achieved during the 13 past years,” Nasser stated, adding that the MB group uses Islam to deceive people and grab them to join the party.

Concerning the MB, “they are neither Muslims, nor brothers. They are malevolent … Their leaders outside [the country] cooperated with Baghdad Pact, colonial countries, all our enemies, and Arab reactionary, and proved with clear evidence that the MB party or movement is only a movement that works for the benefit of colonialism and reactionary, by which it is funded.

MB author and thinker Sayed Kotb was executed in 1966 after being convicted of planning to assassinate Nasser who ruled Egypt for about 14 years until his death in 1970.

Finally, only a few hours ago there was a thread about an Indian journalist in Afghanistan. He spoke of Afghan women in a city refusing to don the burqa.

It is always imperative that those Muslim populations struggle and fight for civil rights and push back whenever prejudiced laws are bought against them

Really ? So Muslims in the West should struggle not for bringing about progressive welfare systems in their countries but struggle for non-necessities like the burqa ?

 

[Iñigo]

"Actually a Jewish tradition"

Yes, as a child, many years ago, i remember my mother with "hijab"

you have to keep in mind that ...

(1) "Moses" father-in-law is an Arab priest

(2) "Yahveh" is an Arab deity/god

(3) the "firstborn", "Esau", is the character that symbolizes the original Arab-Hebrew population of the Land of Canaan, and "Jacob" is the Aramaic ruling class that came to the province of Yehud with money, books, pamphlets and Persian power

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I have no problems with "hijab", but "burqa / niqab" is a thing of Troglodytes and cavemans so to express it from my point of view