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The June 16 incident in which a Pakistani warship "brushed past" an Indian frigate in the Gulf of Aden is not the first time that Pakistan has indulged in a hostile act on the high seas. It has aggressively baited Indian warships with, at least, three hostile acts recorded in the past few months. "We have seen a gradual ratcheting up of tensions at sea," admits a senior defence official. Officials say the June 16 incident was reported only because it became a major diplomatic incident between the two countries. It is also the first time that warships from both sides have actually made contact.
In the latest incident, the PNS Babur was escorting the MV Suez, an Egyptian-owned merchant vessel freed by Somali pirates, back to Pakistan when the INS Godavari arrived. The Pakistani warship approached the Indian vessel from the rear, causing superficial damage to the helicopter nets that had been spread out. Officials say Pakistan went on to accuse India of hampering rescue operations and brushing past the Babur. The charge that was hotly contested by both the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) and the Indian Navy, which submitted video and photographic evidence of the encounter to Pakistan.

It is almost an unwritten rule for both navy forces to shadow each other's warships from a respectable distance. However, over the past few months, Pakistani warships have manoeuvred their warships into several "close quarter situations" with their Indian counterparts, steaming past as close as 80 feet of them. Pakistani crewmen then shout obscenities and wave weaponries at the Indian sailors. The nautical equivalent of a "near miss" in aviation circles was a tactic used by the Soviet Union against NATO warships during the Cold War.

Such tactics blatantly violate Confidence Building Measures (CBM) signed ratified by both governments in 1992. The CBMS, drawn up after an Indian warship captain fired at a Pakistani maritime reconnaissance aircraft, mandated that warships of both sides stay three nautical miles (six km) away from each other. It also prohibited 'buzzing', or close passes made by aircraft, and informing each other of major naval exercises involving more than six warships.

These CBMS seem to have been consigned to history. In one incident a few years back, a Pakistani warship's helicopter flew above the Indian frigate helicopter deck, preventing an Indian naval helicopter from landing. Another Pakistani ship sailed provocatively close to the aircraft carrier INS Viraat. There have been cases of Pakistani crewmen stripping and flashing crew of Indian aircraft.

"Such actions smack of unprofessionalism," says Vice Admiral J.S. Bedi, former western naval commander. "No navy worth its salt would tolerate such actions," he adds. Naval officers say such actions are being condoned and even encouraged by the Pakistani brass. "If the captain of the INS Godavari did what his Pakistani counterpart did, he would face a court-martial," a naval official says.

"We have a dilemma," says a defence official. "If we respond, we run the risk of escalating the situation. But if we don't respond, we risk the demoralisation of our crew," he says. Both the government and Indian Navy have advised extreme caution in such hair-trigger situations because warships operate far from their shores and are heavily armed with missiles and guns.

One reason for Pakistani belligerence, say defence officials, is the growing confidence of its navy. Since 2001, it has added new platforms. The Chinese-built frigate, PNS Zulfiqar, was the first 'brand new' warship acquired by the Pakistan Navy that has so far only operated hand-me-downs from the US and UK navies. It has also gained expertise and respect by operating with international navies. It has commanded the multinational Combined Task Force-151 (CTF-151) four times since 2009. The force comprising five navies was set up two years ago to conduct counter-piracy operations in the Gulf of Aden and Somali basin. This has led to a tendency for it to challenge the dominance of the Indian Navy, which is not part of the CTF-151.

There have been no direct CBMS between the two navies that would normally include port calls by each other's warships. While the armies of both sides have flag meetings to de-escalate tensions, there is no contact between the Indian and Pakistan navies. "We need something more than just CBMS to avoid such incidents at sea," says Vice Admiral Suresh Bangara, former deputy naval chief.

'Pakistan warship violates safety norms, damages Indian Frigate' : NATION: India Today
 
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Indian ship tried to intercept the Pakistani frigate as it headed towards the stranded cargo ship. PNS Babur just maintained it's course. The captain INS Godhavri is at fault.
 
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Indian ship tried to intercept the Pakistani frigate as it headed towards the stranded cargo ship. PNS Babur just maintained it's course. The captain INS Godhavri is at fault.

It is not once but multiple times PNS Babur did this with many Indian naval ships previously. This is well known tactics to heat things up of via anti-India stance in Pakistan. So there is no respect for international rules or laws.
 
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Indian ship tried to intercept the Pakistani frigate as it headed towards the stranded cargo ship. PNS Babur just maintained it's course. The captain INS Godhavri is at fault.
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It is not once but multiple times PNS Babur did this with many Indian naval ships previously. This is well known tactics to heat things up of via anti-India stance in Pakistan. So there is no respect for international rules or laws.
International rules? When your ships are trying to get past our waters, we have to maintain a patrol ship present.

Anyways they even claimed that PNS Babur damaged the choppers by firing on them, which turned out to be false.
Wont take long before this i proven false too.
 
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Indian ship tried to intercept the Pakistani frigate as it headed towards the stranded cargo ship. PNS Babur just maintained it's course. The captain INS Godhavri is at fault.

how is that possible ? by applying sudden brake?

The Pakistani warship approached the Indian vessel from the rear, causing superficial damage to the helicopter nets that had been spread out.
 
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The CBMS, drawn up after an Indian warship captain fired at a Pakistani maritime reconnaissance aircraft, mandated that warships of both sides stay three nautical miles (six km) away from each other. It also prohibited 'buzzing', or close passes made by aircraft, and informing each other of major naval exercises involving more than six warships.

comn that says it all given that PNS Babur was approaching from the rear
 
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If PNS Babur was approaching frm rear why didnt indian ship respond to the Suez? why didnt it respond to the indians onboard???
Why didnt it help the hostages on suez? heck indian govt didnt even pay for the indian hostages instead Pakistanis did!


As the son of an army officer im sure tht the over article is BS... stripping? the hell... yeah right.

dude Indian navy is fighting Somali pirates ain't that help Pakistanis too..
 
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talking about ''hostile act'' when we saved some of their countrymen (the ones they didnt give a damn about to begin with)


this is very in-line and characteristic of the general indian psyche.....So we shouldnt be surprised by their logic (or lack thereof) on this matter
 
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And a July 4 news makes it to PDF today?

There have been cases of Pakistani crewmen stripping and flashing crew of Indian aircraft.


:rofl:

P.S. How can extremists, fundamentalists and burqa praisers show their *****, is beyond my imagination :lol:
 
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yeah that's all you can do now at best , now that hope of getting Kashmir is gone .

Since you brought up the Kashmir issue in Naval Incident, which shows your obsession, so stop whining please and get a life
 
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Instead of @##$ see this:
Ransom Money: As India backs out, Pakistan moves to plug the gap – The Express Tribune

Mods next time dont blame me for responding to retarded trolls in the manner they understnd.

The owners of a hijacked ship said on Saturday that they were perplexed by the continuing detention of some of their crew members by Somali pirates despite their paying a multimillion-dollar ransom.
Pirates released the ship and some of the crew on Friday. But a Somali pirate told The Associated Press afterward that the Indian crew members' hostage ordeal is being prolonged in retaliation for the arrests of more than 100 Somali pirates by the Indian Navy.

However, the ship owners said Saturday that all the crew members of the Asphalt Venture were Indian - not just the seven still being held.

All 15 crew members, held hostage after September's attack, were Indian, Sunil Puri, a New Delhi-based spokesman for Interglobal, a United Arab Emirates-based company that owns the ship, told the AP.

On Friday, Hassan Farah said pirates in stronghold of Haradhere in Somalia had taken a collective decision not to release the Indian crew members.

"We decided to keep the Indian because India is holding our colleagues," Farah said. "We released the other crew members who sailed away from our coast. We will keep these Indians until the Indians release our colleagues."

Puri called the pirates' action "unprecedented," and said that it wasn't immediately clear why the pirates acted as they did.

"We are still trying to ascertain why that happened. We kept our side of the bargain. We don't know why they weren't released. This is an unprecedented situation. In the past they have always kept their word," Puri said.

While Puri did not reveal the amount of ransom paid, pirates are receiving an average of $5 million to release ships and crew, and a ransom in that ballpark was believed to have been paid on Friday.


Friday's pirate action marks a major departure from the standard business model of release-for-ransom and could complicate international military efforts against the piracy trade.

The Indian navy has seized around 120 pirates, mostly from Somalia, over the past few months. Last month the Indian navy captured 61 pirates when they attacked a naval ship. Indian warships have been escorting merchant ships as part of international anti-piracy surveillance in the Indian Ocean area since 2008.

Commander P.V.S. Satish, a spokesman for the Indian navy, said on Saturday that they were yet to receive any official details of Friday's exchange with the pirates.


Somali pirates keep 7 Indian sailors hostage despite taking ransom : India: India Today

and wot do u make of that
 
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yeah that's all you can do now at best , now that hope of getting Kashmir is gone .

you've really run out of steam!

try again after some rest.....try to focus on the topic only and not resort to false sensationalism
 
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The owners of a hijacked ship said on Saturday that they were perplexed by the continuing detention of some of their crew members by Somali pirates despite their paying a multimillion-dollar ransom.
Pirates released the ship and some of the crew on Friday. But a Somali pirate told The Associated Press afterward that the Indian crew members' hostage ordeal is being prolonged in retaliation for the arrests of more than 100 Somali pirates by the Indian Navy.

However, the ship owners said Saturday that all the crew members of the Asphalt Venture were Indian - not just the seven still being held.

All 15 crew members, held hostage after September's attack, were Indian, Sunil Puri, a New Delhi-based spokesman for Interglobal, a United Arab Emirates-based company that owns the ship, told the AP.

On Friday, Hassan Farah said pirates in stronghold of Haradhere in Somalia had taken a collective decision not to release the Indian crew members.

"We decided to keep the Indian because India is holding our colleagues," Farah said. "We released the other crew members who sailed away from our coast. We will keep these Indians until the Indians release our colleagues."

Puri called the pirates' action "unprecedented," and said that it wasn't immediately clear why the pirates acted as they did.

"We are still trying to ascertain why that happened. We kept our side of the bargain. We don't know why they weren't released. This is an unprecedented situation. In the past they have always kept their word," Puri said.

While Puri did not reveal the amount of ransom paid, pirates are receiving an average of $5 million to release ships and crew, and a ransom in that ballpark was believed to have been paid on Friday.


Friday's pirate action marks a major departure from the standard business model of release-for-ransom and could complicate international military efforts against the piracy trade.

The Indian navy has seized around 120 pirates, mostly from Somalia, over the past few months. Last month the Indian navy captured 61 pirates when they attacked a naval ship. Indian warships have been escorting merchant ships as part of international anti-piracy surveillance in the Indian Ocean area since 2008.

Commander P.V.S. Satish, a spokesman for the Indian navy, said on Saturday that they were yet to receive any official details of Friday's exchange with the pirates.


Somali pirates keep 7 Indian sailors hostage despite taking ransom : India: India Today

and wot do u make of that

Wonder what shes talkin abt:
 
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