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More than 350 Indonesian doctors and healthcare workers have contracted Covid-19 despite being vaccinated with Sinovac and dozens have been hospitalised, officials said, as concerns rise about the efficacy of some vaccines against more virulent virus strains.

Most of the doctors were asymptomatic and self-isolating at home, said Dr Badai Ismoyo, head of the Kudus district health office in Central Java, but dozens were in hospital with high fevers and declining oxygen saturation levels.

Kudus is battling an outbreak believed to be driven by the more transmissible Delta variant which has pushed bed occupancy rates above 90 per cent in the district.

Designated as a priority group, Indonesian healthcare workers were among the first to be vaccinated when the inoculation drive started in January.

Almost all have received the Covid-19 vaccine developed by Chinese biopharmaceutical company Sinovac, according to the Indonesian Medical Association (IDI).

While the number of Indonesian healthcare workers dying from Covid-19 has decreased significantly - dropping from 158 deaths this January to 13 this May, according to data initiative group LaporCovid-19 - public health experts say the Java hospitalisations are a cause for concern.

"The data shows they have the Delta variant (in Kudus) so it is no surprise that the breakthrough infection is higher than before because, as we know, the majority of healthcare workers in Indonesia got Sinovac and we still don't know yet how effective it is in the real world against the Delta variant," said Dr Dicky Budiman, an epidemiologist from Australia's Griffith University.

Spokesmen from Sinovac and Indonesia's ministry of health were not immediately available for comment on the efficacy of Sinovac's CoronaVac against newer coronavirus variants.

Grappling with one of the worst outbreaks in Asia, with more than 1.9 million cases and 53,000 deaths, there has been a heavy toll on Indonesia's doctors and nurses, with 946 deaths.

Many are now experiencing pandemic fatigue and taking an increasingly laissez-faire approach to health protocols after being vaccinated, said Ms Lenny Ekawati, from LaporCovid-19.

"That phenomenon happens quite often these days, not only within the community but also healthcare workers," she said. "They think because they are vaccinated that they are safe."

But as more cases of the highly transmissible Delta variant are identified in the world's fourth-most populous nation, the data is starting to tell a different story.

Across Indonesia, at least five doctors and one nurse have died from Covid-19 despite being vaccinated, according to the data initiative group, although one had received only their first shot.

In Kudus, one senior doctor has died, said IDI, although it is understood he had a comorbidity.

In the Indonesian capital Jakarta, radiologist Prijo Sidipratomo told Reuters he knew of at least half a dozen doctors in the city who had been hospitalised with Covid-19 in the past month despite being vaccinated, with one currently being treated in ICU.

"It is alarming for us because we cannot rely on vaccinations only," he said, urging people to strictly adhere to health protocols.

Weeks after the Muslim Eid Al-Fitr holidays, Indonesia has experienced a surge in cases, with the positivity rate exceeding 23 per cent on Wednesday (June 16) and daily cases nearing 10,000, the highest since late February.

In its latest situation report, the World Health Organisation called for Indonesia to implement a stricter lockdown with increased transmission due to variants of concern and a "drastic increase in bed occupancy rates" necessitating urgent action.
 
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Let's do some basic math...

From 6000 healthcare workers, 350 (309 to be precise) contacted the virus, which is 95% effective to prevents any infection.

Of 350, 339 persons are asymptomized, which is 99.75% effective against symptomized infection.


It's higher than Pfizer which is tested only 97% effective against symptomized infection.

99.75% vs 97%.


And that number is for the new Delta variant of India.


Btw, don't scare me to death because I took Sinovac.... Hahaha

That's the only vaccine available in my area.
 
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More than 350 Indonesian doctors and healthcare workers have contracted Covid-19 despite being vaccinated with Sinovac and dozens have been hospitalised, officials said, as concerns rise about the efficacy of some vaccines against more virulent virus strains.

Most of the doctors were asymptomatic and self-isolating at home, said Dr Badai Ismoyo, head of the Kudus district health office in Central Java, but dozens were in hospital with high fevers and declining oxygen saturation levels.

Kudus is battling an outbreak believed to be driven by the more transmissible Delta variant which has pushed bed occupancy rates above 90 per cent in the district.

Designated as a priority group, Indonesian healthcare workers were among the first to be vaccinated when the inoculation drive started in January.

Almost all have received the Covid-19 vaccine developed by Chinese biopharmaceutical company Sinovac, according to the Indonesian Medical Association (IDI).

While the number of Indonesian healthcare workers dying from Covid-19 has decreased significantly - dropping from 158 deaths this January to 13 this May, according to data initiative group LaporCovid-19 - public health experts say the Java hospitalisations are a cause for concern.

"The data shows they have the Delta variant (in Kudus) so it is no surprise that the breakthrough infection is higher than before because, as we know, the majority of healthcare workers in Indonesia got Sinovac and we still don't know yet how effective it is in the real world against the Delta variant," said Dr Dicky Budiman, an epidemiologist from Australia's Griffith University.

Spokesmen from Sinovac and Indonesia's ministry of health were not immediately available for comment on the efficacy of Sinovac's CoronaVac against newer coronavirus variants.

Grappling with one of the worst outbreaks in Asia, with more than 1.9 million cases and 53,000 deaths, there has been a heavy toll on Indonesia's doctors and nurses, with 946 deaths.

Many are now experiencing pandemic fatigue and taking an increasingly laissez-faire approach to health protocols after being vaccinated, said Ms Lenny Ekawati, from LaporCovid-19.

"That phenomenon happens quite often these days, not only within the community but also healthcare workers," she said. "They think because they are vaccinated that they are safe."

But as more cases of the highly transmissible Delta variant are identified in the world's fourth-most populous nation, the data is starting to tell a different story.

Across Indonesia, at least five doctors and one nurse have died from Covid-19 despite being vaccinated, according to the data initiative group, although one had received only their first shot.

In Kudus, one senior doctor has died, said IDI, although it is understood he had a comorbidity.

In the Indonesian capital Jakarta, radiologist Prijo Sidipratomo told Reuters he knew of at least half a dozen doctors in the city who had been hospitalised with Covid-19 in the past month despite being vaccinated, with one currently being treated in ICU.

"It is alarming for us because we cannot rely on vaccinations only," he said, urging people to strictly adhere to health protocols.

Weeks after the Muslim Eid Al-Fitr holidays, Indonesia has experienced a surge in cases, with the positivity rate exceeding 23 per cent on Wednesday (June 16) and daily cases nearing 10,000, the highest since late February.

In its latest situation report, the World Health Organisation called for Indonesia to implement a stricter lockdown with increased transmission due to variants of concern and a "drastic increase in bed occupancy rates" necessitating urgent action.
You are already late. 90% already recovered and gone back to work.

 
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no vaccine is a sure shot...
 
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Let's do some basic math...

From 6000 healthcare workers, 350 (309 to be precise) contacted the virus, which is 95% effective to prevents any infection.

Of 350, 339 persons are asymptomized, which is 99.75% effective against asymptomized infection.


It's higher than Pfizer which is tested only 97% effective against asymptomized.

99.75% vs 97%,


And that number is for the new Delta variant of India.


Btw, don't scare me to death because I took Sinovac.... Hahaha

That's the only vaccine available in my area.


Thanks for clarifying, its all business. See how media outlets try to scare people away from sino vaccinations?
 
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Let's do some basic math...

From 6000 healthcare workers, 350 (309 to be precise) contacted the virus, which is 95% effective to prevents any infection.

That's not the way to calculate vaccine efficacy lol.

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That's not the way to calculate vaccine efficacy lol.

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Hahaha

It's simple math to stay positive and keep the freedom spirit (free to do anything like before unguarded, clumsy, and whatever, Lol).


Btw, can someone use the formula above to calculate the real effectiveness of the Indonesia case above?
 
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Hahaha

It's simple math to stay positive and keep the freedom spirit (free to do anything like before unguarded, clumsy, and whatever, Lol).


Btw, can someone use the formula above to calculate the real effectiveness of the Indonesia case above?

There is not enough info released (eg; on the unvaccinated and infected) for calculation.

I made a rough calculation on Pfizer/Moderna efficacy against the Delta variant in Singapore though.

Efficacy: 45% in reducing infections (including asymptomatic infections), 87% in reducing hospitalization, 100% in reducing critical care/death.

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More than 350 Indonesian doctors and healthcare workers have contracted Covid-19 despite being vaccinated with Sinovac and dozens have been hospitalised, officials said, as concerns rise about the efficacy of some vaccines against more virulent virus strains.

Most of the doctors were asymptomatic and self-isolating at home, said Dr Badai Ismoyo, head of the Kudus district health office in Central Java, but dozens were in hospital with high fevers and declining oxygen saturation levels.

Kudus is battling an outbreak believed to be driven by the more transmissible Delta variant which has pushed bed occupancy rates above 90 per cent in the district.

Designated as a priority group, Indonesian healthcare workers were among the first to be vaccinated when the inoculation drive started in January.

Almost all have received the Covid-19 vaccine developed by Chinese biopharmaceutical company Sinovac, according to the Indonesian Medical Association (IDI).

While the number of Indonesian healthcare workers dying from Covid-19 has decreased significantly - dropping from 158 deaths this January to 13 this May, according to data initiative group LaporCovid-19 - public health experts say the Java hospitalisations are a cause for concern.

"The data shows they have the Delta variant (in Kudus) so it is no surprise that the breakthrough infection is higher than before because, as we know, the majority of healthcare workers in Indonesia got Sinovac and we still don't know yet how effective it is in the real world against the Delta variant," said Dr Dicky Budiman, an epidemiologist from Australia's Griffith University.

Spokesmen from Sinovac and Indonesia's ministry of health were not immediately available for comment on the efficacy of Sinovac's CoronaVac against newer coronavirus variants.

Grappling with one of the worst outbreaks in Asia, with more than 1.9 million cases and 53,000 deaths, there has been a heavy toll on Indonesia's doctors and nurses, with 946 deaths.

Many are now experiencing pandemic fatigue and taking an increasingly laissez-faire approach to health protocols after being vaccinated, said Ms Lenny Ekawati, from LaporCovid-19.

"That phenomenon happens quite often these days, not only within the community but also healthcare workers," she said. "They think because they are vaccinated that they are safe."

But as more cases of the highly transmissible Delta variant are identified in the world's fourth-most populous nation, the data is starting to tell a different story.

Across Indonesia, at least five doctors and one nurse have died from Covid-19 despite being vaccinated, according to the data initiative group, although one had received only their first shot.

In Kudus, one senior doctor has died, said IDI, although it is understood he had a comorbidity.

In the Indonesian capital Jakarta, radiologist Prijo Sidipratomo told Reuters he knew of at least half a dozen doctors in the city who had been hospitalised with Covid-19 in the past month despite being vaccinated, with one currently being treated in ICU.

"It is alarming for us because we cannot rely on vaccinations only," he said, urging people to strictly adhere to health protocols.

Weeks after the Muslim Eid Al-Fitr holidays, Indonesia has experienced a surge in cases, with the positivity rate exceeding 23 per cent on Wednesday (June 16) and daily cases nearing 10,000, the highest since late February.

In its latest situation report, the World Health Organisation called for Indonesia to implement a stricter lockdown with increased transmission due to variants of concern and a "drastic increase in bed occupancy rates" necessitating urgent action.


You American troll clearly not reading and getting yourself updated with current news and affairs. This Indian variant (Delta) is resisting every vaccine out there, including Pfizer.

(1) Israel faces Covid surge as virus (Indian variant) circulates even among vaccinated | Pakistan Defence
 
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There is not enough info released (eg; on the unvaccinated and infected) for calculation.

I made a rough calculation on Pfizer/Moderna efficacy against the Delta variant in Singapore though.

Efficacy: 45% in reducing infections (including asymptomatic infections), 87% in reducing hospitalization, 100% in reducing critical care/death.

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Pfizer is only 45% effective??

This means despite the whole nation is vaccinated, half of them can still be infected?

But how can some countries like Israel and France report a significant drop in Covid case?

I think UK report is more trustful since they get around 10,000 daily new infections.


I thought it's around 95% effective to prevent symptomatic infection.
 
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Pfizer is only 45% effective??

This means despite the whole nation is vaccinated, half of them can still be infected?

Based on the info released, yes. But 98.8% of vaccinated are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms, only 1.2% needs oxygen supplementation and none require critical care currently.

But how can some countries like Israel and France report a significant drop in Covid case?

I think UK report is more trustful since they get around 10,000 daily new infections.

Most of SG's local cases are of the Delta variant currently.

And Singapore has a very, very rigorous testing regime to detect cases.

Our testing positivity rate is around 0.02% while in France it's around 1%, Israel 0.15%. In Indonesia it's around 20%.


That also explains why most of our cases are asymptomatic/mild; we're able to detect them.
 
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Based on the info released, yes. But 98.8% of vaccinated are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms, only 1.2% needs oxygen supplementation and none require critical care currently.



Most of SG's local cases are of the Delta variant currently.

And Singapore has a very, very rigorous testing regime to detect cases.

Our testing positivity rate is around 0.02% while in France it's around 1%, Israel 0.15%. In Indonesia it's around 20%.


That also explains why most of our cases are asymptomatic/mild; we're able to detect them.

0.02 % is quite low, but for Indonesian I believe 20 % dont represent the whole picture since the one get tested usually due to tracing effort from previously positive case and people who voluntarily go to hospital to get tested due to having a Covid symptom already

I think we can use statistic (testing people using survey methodology to get sample) and make it per region based like Jakarta, West Java etc to know clear picture about how the actual figure of infection rate across our country
 
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Vaccination does not mean you can’t get infected with wuhan virus, it saves the patients from severe cases.
 
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There is not enough info released (eg; on the unvaccinated and infected) for calculation.

I made a rough calculation on Pfizer/Moderna efficacy against the Delta variant in Singapore though.

Efficacy: 45% in reducing infections (including asymptomatic infections), 87% in reducing hospitalization, 100% in reducing critical care/death.

View attachment 755745

Pfizer is only 45% effective??

This means despite the whole nation is vaccinated, half of them can still be infected?

But how can some countries like Israel and France report a significant drop in Covid case?

I think UK report is more trustful since they get around 10,000 daily new infections.


I thought it's around 95% effective to prevent symptomatic infection.

I just redid my sums. I was wrong in the post above.

The efficacy for based on the info above should be 60.2% (including asymptomatic infections) instead of 45%. I forgot to exclude those who are partially vaccinated in my calculations (2.7mil people are completely unvaccinated instead of 3.7mil people).

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(Total population of Singapore: 5.7mil)
 
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