Sri Lanka snubs India, opens port to Chinese submarine again

[Saradiel]

That is irrelevant here. India govt. decisions are not made on media hype.

i didnt suggest so. just pointed out the immaturity of indian media

 

[Sahasranama]

You have nice theories...but we have representatives in UN and they very well know who is playing the game to pin down SL and my friends, that is not china. (not even india)
China has invested in SL so any instability in SL is disadvantageous to them. China is not a devil as west wants to make them look like.

SL doesnt want to get in the middle of international power play. Our ppl just want to mind their own business and look for prosperity, stability and peace. It is rather some western elements want to drag SL into these issues.

So when west tries to bully us we need an asian giant. when india cannot fill that space we have to seek support of chinese

Providing berth to Chinese Naval War ships is what constitutes playing the game. And Everybody sees that.

The west bullies you because they want to be you sugar daddy. China supports you because they want to be your sugar daddy. You are choosing between the devil and the deep sea and think you are being smart.

When India starts bullying, its a LOT worse than the west bullying. You just don't seem to get that.

 

[Saradiel]

TN is a part of India so its voice is also a part of Indias voice. Its concerns are also Indias concern. But SL is also considered a friend. But when UN intervenes there is more at play than just TN.

Its the Big boys (US, Europe, maybe China) playing the game to pin down SL. Not India.

How sure are you that China did not stir the pot at UN and then come to rescue you like a knight in Shining armour ? in exchange for berth for their Naval ships and submarines ? .... International power play is a lot more complex and dangerous. SL is not large enough or powerful enough to play it. Which is why it should not play it.

The repercussions are VERY VERY serious too. You don't believe me, look at pakistan.

One thing, China did not do anything to harm SL in international state. Or more correctly china has not even thought about such a strategy. But continuous threatening and bullying by west has pushed SL into china and now china might see that opportunity

 

[Sahasranama]

SL is not playing any International politics but it does what's in best interest for her.. It has a non aligned foreign policy.. And it's focus is on economic growth and prosperity for it's citizens not world domination or be any part of it.. They know they cant archive those without a stable neighborhood, so why would SL antagonize any of it's neighbors or friends.. It's the prerogative of India, China or for that matter anybody else to make the ties better, Not Lanka's.. As for this particular issues goes, Tomorrow if India wanted to dock one of it's submarines in Colombo.. I dont see anybody should have an issue with it.. If SL doesn't.. So i dont see the reason for this condescending attitude of some Indian so called analysis and media over another friendly nation of Lanka's using it's ports for routine visits

SL policy is it;s open for anybody that comes in good faith and respects it's sovereignty.. Sovereignty of a nation does not depend on the size of it's landmass.. And people need to realize that

Providing berth to Chinese Military War Machines is NOT being Non Aligned. Its be being VERY MUCH aligned.

You do not seem to understand that SL action is termed as hostile action and the reaction it provokes will be Very hostile too.

If you do not see why people should have any problem with it, its just means you are BLIND. Wilfully or otherwise. Either way it will not cut ice with India or the rest of the world.

 

[Sahasranama]

One thing, China did not do anything to harm SL in international state. Or more correctly china has not even thought about such a strategy. But continuous threatening and bullying by west has pushed SL into china and now china might see that opportunity

Maybe the west wanted SL to align with China so that India will align with the West. Ever thought about that ?

You are playing a game you are ill equipped to play. You would be playing right into the West hands.

That is what I mean by the repercussion of being too smart by half.

 

[Gibbs]

Providing berth to Chinese Naval War ships is what constitutes playing the game. And Everybody sees that.

The west bullies you because they want to be you sugar daddy. China supports you because they want to be your sugar daddy. You are choosing between the devil and the deep sea and think you are being smart.

When India starts bullying, its a LOT worse than the west bullying. You just don't seem to get that.

Why would providing berth to Chinese naval ships constitutes playing games ? This year alone Russian warships, Iranian, Japanese, American, Australian and numerous other warships have berthed in Lankan ports.. Including Indian.. Why should SL need Indian permission to provide berthing facilities to Chinese ships ?? As far as SL is concerned Both India and China are equal.. And as sovereign nation it is they who choose who they accommodate.. SL is not some vassal state of India to seek permission

Just because Indians see a Chinese boogie man.. It's not SL problem.. As long as China does not use Lankan soil for purposes other than normal friendly visits and does not use it's soil for detriment to her neigbours.. There should be no issue to anyone, Least of all to India

 

[Saradiel]

Providing berth to Chinese Naval War ships is what constitutes playing the game. And Everybody sees that.

The west bullies you because they want to be you sugar daddy. China supports you because they want to be your sugar daddy. You are choosing between the devil and the deep sea and think you are being smart.

When India starts bullying, its a LOT worse than the west bullying. You just don't seem to get that.

i dont see how letting china to dock their subs is playing games. China is a friendly country to SL and when china sends their subs SL cannot and will not say no. That is not a decent way to treat a friend that has supported us. I dont think SL is inviting chinese subs to SL.
I dont think west wants to be our so called sugar daddy. I think west's strategy when it comes to SL is stupid and without any rationale.
Are you trying to threaten us? we had born india's bullying and it did not end quite well for india as well.

 

[Sahasranama]

Why would providing berth to Chinese naval ships constitutes playing games ? This year alone Russian warships, Iranian, Japanese, American, Australian and numerous other warships have berthed in Lankan ports.. Including Indian.. Why should SL need Indian permission to provide berthing facilities to Chinese ships ?? As far as SL is concerned Both India and China are equal.. And as sovereign nation it is they who choose who they accommodate.. SL is not some vassal state of India to seek permission

India and China cannot be equal since India is an immediate neighbour and China is NOT.

China seeks space for its string of pearl strategy that targets India and dominate Indian Ocean.

If you are going to PRETEND India and China are "equal" it is a hostile play full of deceit.

You are free to do what you want, India too will do what it wants. Unpleasant things and history will repeat itself.

 

[Saradiel]

Maybe the west wanted SL to align with China so that India will align with the West. Ever thought about that ?

You are playing a game you are ill equipped to play. You would be playing right into the West hands.

That is what I mean by the repercussion of being too smart by half.

i suppose you are struggling to understand the point here. what makes you think west would need to push SL towards china to make india aligned to west. Even without SL, india would have to align with west to safeguard itself from china.

may be west is making things in SL worse in the hope of having a spill over effect in India. When HIlary came to india she met both MM SIngh and TN CM. what business she has with a state in a country where foreign relations are handled by indian centre? SL is too little target for West, india is their prime catch.

 

[Sahasranama]

i dont see how providing war ships to china is playing games. China is a friendly country to SL and when china sends their subs SL cannot and will not say no. That is not a decent way to treat a friend that has supported us. I dont think SL is inviting chinese subs to SL.
I dont think west wants to be our so called sugar daddy. I think west's strategy when it comes to SL is stupid and without any rationale.
Are you trying to threaten us? we had born india's bullying and it did not end quite well for india as well.

I am trying to do some plain speaking. If you see it as a threat, then you are smart.

LTTE was also a "friend" to Indian interests. There are no shortages of "friends" including the US and Europe and UN. If SL expects us to stop being nice to our friends, then SL too needs to stop being so "nice" to China.

 

[Sahasranama]

i suppose you are struggling to understand the point here. what makes you think west would need to push SL towards china to make india aligned to west. Even without SL, india would have to align with west to safeguard itself from china.

may be west is making things in SL worse in the hope of having a spill over effect in India. When HIlary came to india she met both MM SIngh and TN CM. what business she has with a state in a country where foreign relations are handled by indian centre? SL is too little target for West, india is their prime catch.

Don't pretend to speak for India.

If Hillary came to meet TN CM, its with the FULL Permission of the Indian state. End of the day, all policy decisions are taken by the Central govt.

 

[Gibbs]

India and China cannot be equal since India is an immediate neighbour and China is NOT.

China seeks space for its string of pearl strategy that targets India and dominate Indian Ocean.

If you are going to PRETEND India and China are "equal" it is a hostile play full of deceit.

You are free to do what you want, India too will do what it wants. Unpleasant things and history will repeat itself.

Well too bad thats your insecurity to deal with not ours.. China and India are equal partners as far as SL in concerned

Yes if history repeats you need to remember unpleasant things happened to India as well.. And also remember this is not the early 80's a small prosperous island with a ceremonial armed force totally unprepared for destabilization in form of a foreign trained terrorists in the height of the cold war.. This is 2014.. A 30 year old battle hardened politically stable nation.. With a determination.. With a case of twice bitten thrice shy.. So i guess reality need to be shown both ways

Hope you're smart enough to understand that as well

 

[Saradiel]

I am trying to do some plain speaking. If you see it as a threat, then you are smart.

LTTE was also a "friend" to Indian interests. There are no shortages of "friends" including the US and Europe and UN. If SL expects us to stop being nice to our friends, then SL too needs to stop being so "nice" to China.

People like you should handle your countriy's foriegn affairs, wonder where India would be next..

Do friends bomb the shit out of you and kill your PM? Nice definition of a friend. SL doesnt care two hoots whether you are nice to your friends or not, it is just that SL needs india to reciprocate

 

[Saradiel]

Don't pretend to speak for India.

If Hillary came to meet TN CM, its with the FULL Permission of the Indian state. End of the day, all policy decisions are taken by the Central govt.

fine..
You have been speaking for SL a while ago so why cant anyone else does the same? read the comments between our conversation and see who has lost the track.
west will point at one but will target another...That is how they had operated.
I dont want to waste my time with a nutjob, thought you were here for a mature discussion that is why i engaged.
You are free to engage in you're mental masturbation.

 

[Sahasranama]

Well too bad thats your insecurity to deal with not ours.. China and India are equal partners as far as SL in concerned

Yes if history repeats you need to remember unpleasant things happened to India as well.. And also remember this is not the early 80's a small prosperous island with a ceremonial armed force totally unprepared for destabilization in form of a foreign trained terrorists in the height of the cold war.. This is 2014.. A 30 year old battle hardened politically stable nation.. With a determination.. With a case of twice bitten thrice shy.. So i guess reality need to be shown both ways

Hope you're smart enough to understand that as well

Of course its out insecurity and India will deal with it the way me must. Saam, Daam, Dand, Bhed.

India is a LOT more experienced in these Games than SL can ever pretend to be. So don't bother to teach us statecraft. End of the day Indian interests are SUPREME. There will never be any compromise on that.

So its for SL to decide if its interests lies with India or China. All the best.