Sri Lanka lifts unofficial ban on singing national anthem in Tamil

[livingdead]

lankans should copy our federalism, the more you continue with single identity single country thing, the more brittle your unity will be. But then, if civil war cant teach you lesson there is little chance you will mend your ways.
Pakistanis lost huge part of their country due to such silly notion.

 

[manlion]

It seems that Tamils in Malaysia suffer more than the Tamils in Sri Lanka. But interestingly Malaysian Tamils do not seek Independence or any other kind of freedom from the Malays.

Why they do it in Sri Lanka? Because we are soft in treating them? Do Tamils feel we are an easy target?

Do you know Singapore history ? They 70 % Chinese who arrived in 1800s got an independent country from Malaysia in 1965. As for Tamil Eelam, thats the true Tamil homeland from where Tamils migrated to Tamilnadu not vice versa and Eelam Tamils predate Sinhala. But as victors Sinhalas have re-written history and destroyed Tamil archaeological sites to deny Tamil ownership of TamilEelam.

Sinhala were ex Tamils (similar to Keralites) , 1000 yrs before their conversion to Buddhism and adopting the Pali- language. The fact that Sinhala were worshiping Tamil gods is testimony to your ex Tamil roots, so stop living in denial

. 'Invoking The Goddess' Exhibit Celebrates Pattini-Kannaki, Sri Lanka's Shared Hindu-Buddhist Deity

Hindus and Buddhists in Sri Lanka may have been divided through political strife over the years, but they have one important thing in common. Her name is Pattini to Sinhala Buddhists and Kannaki to Tamil Hindus, but she is one and the same goddess shared in religious practices by the two faiths.

 

[damiendehorn]

Why don't you have ambition to follow Singapore which had accepted it's entire population as Singaporeans.

Singapore is more diverse than Sri Lanka when it comes to ethnicity. We have Chinese, Malay and Indians. 65% of the population are Chinese but our national anthem till now is Malay which is around 10% of the population. We might be small but we know 1 or 2 things about unity and staying together as a country.

Malaysia is not an ideal country to be regarded as model state. Indonesia is awesome when compared to Malaysia.

Singapore is not that ideal either, but it is better then most in asia. Also Singapore is relatively wealthy and highly educated, with a history of good governance. Most of south asia is far from that ideal.

 

[samv]

lankans should copy our federalism, the more you continue with single identity single country thing, the more brittle your unity will be. But then, if civil war cant teach you lesson there is little chance you will mend your ways.
Pakistanis lost huge part of their country due to such silly notion.

India lost a huge part of its country at independence. At present it has no proper control of more than 25% of the land mass, possibly even much more due to separatism, maoist rebels and other rebellions. Not only that China and Pakistan have competing claims over territory.

Sri Lanka on the other hand destroyed an Indian-sponsored terror group, has full control over all its territory, and even got Katchchativu from India on a platter. Nice. Not to mention that the average Sri Lanka is richer than the average Indian and has way better HDI indices. Why would Sri Lanka want to copy India?

The only silly notion here is you thinking that Sri Lankans should follow the Indian model. Please get off your high horse and f**k off. Thanks. Rape some Christian nuns, kill some dalits, demonise the Muslims, attack Churches, scream and shout at Pakistan and China. Now there's a good "Hinduguy".

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Sri Lanka is inclusive. You seem to have lack of understanding about Sri Lanka.

And SL has no intention to follow Mayalasian model.



When? Did we go as far as the Malays? SL Tamils have every right as his/her Indian counterpart enjoy. There are no barriers for them in Sri Lanka.



It seems that Tamils in Malaysia suffer more than the Tamils in Sri Lanka. But interestingly Malaysian Tamils do not seek Independence or any other kind of freedom from the Malays.

Why they do it in Sri Lanka? Because we are soft in treating them? Do Tamils feel we are an easy target?

Cos there is a difference. Indian Tamils in Malaysia are recent people. Dating back to some 200 years.. But Lankan Tamils have a 2000 year old history who nearly commanded 30% of the ethnic population once. Tamils in Malaysia are just 7% of the population and they are not concentrated in a single state.

WTF? A day will come when Tamils in Malaysia will date their history back 2000 years. Do they become eligible for separate state then? Does the date of settlement is the factor to choose the nationhood?

Tamils are here around 2000 years or may be even earlier time. But Tamils have not developed a civilization in Sri Lanka. What they have brought to Sri Lanka is what they have developed in Tamilnadu. In contrast Sinhalese have not imported their civilization from anywhere. It is invented in the very island they called their home land.

Nation belongs to the one who has developed their own civilization. Not to the immigrants.

A big lol. No use in continuing the conversation with you. Its a insult to my intelligence and all others who consider this post of urs as a Bull Shit.

 

[manlion]

WTF? A day will come when Tamils in Malaysia will date their history back 2000 years. Do they become eligible for separate state then? Does the date of settlement is the factor to choose the nationhood?

Looting , commuting genocide, fabricating stories, history and plagiarism are traits Sinhalas excel , so not every race is like the Sinhalas ., a. race that excels in forgery and genocide .

Tamils are here around 2000 years or may be even earlier time. But Tamils have not developed a civilization in Sri Lanka. What they have brought to Sri Lanka is what they have developed in Tamilnadu. In contrast Sinhalese have not imported their civilization from anywhere. It is invented in the very island they called their home land.

Nation belongs to the one who has developed their own civilization. Not to the immigrants.

what civilsation are you bragging here ? Do you have your own musical system, language or religion etc , every thing own is either copied or borrowed from India or stolen from Tamils. For e.g Kandyan Perahera for the hoax - Buddha tooth - was introduced by the Tamil Pandyan Queens -

 

[Saradiel]

You tried to

Where did Sinhala people tried a policy like malaysia?

But even the Chinese and the minorities of Malaysia, where they belong 40% of the total population are denied rights under idiotic Bhumiputra laws. They are morons of the highest order, but they somehow they do maintain peace cos of development.

So you accept you were wrong when you said earlier that tamils have no problem in Malaysia. Just asking do you have any relatives in SL?

But tamils are living in Lanka since 2000 years. You cannot simply call them outsiders.

Could you please give a proper source to say that tamils lived in SL for 2000 years as a separate entity?

Where did I say they are separate population. I have just said Sri Lanka needs to be inclusive and it shouldn't follow Malaysian model to suffer later.

Read properly before quoting!

You have a point, and SL can learn a lot from Singapore model. Sri Lanka is a modern nation, which is multi ethnic and multi religious. Actually the only country in the world to have all the major four religions in significant scale.

At the same time SL is a lot different from Singapore, unlike S'pore, SL has a millenia of history and civilisation. And SL has never tried to act on a Bhumiputra policy like Malaysia. But ironically we had a similar law in North where Tamils used a system to prevent non tamils from acquiring land in north.

SL issue is a bit similar to Palestianian issue. In Palestinian land, British brought jews from outside and created an israel. So in the same manner the issue in SL is a result of demographic engineering by Dutch and British.

PS: In Singapore airlines, they do provide papers in Malay and tamil if you request them . I had seen people requesting for it and they did get it

That is nice. We have a lot to learn from S'pore.

there you go again with your fabricated version of history that will never add up

SO what is the source for real correct history?

lankans should copy our federalism, the more you continue with single identity single country thing, the more brittle your unity will be. But then, if civil war cant teach you lesson there is little chance you will mend your ways.
Pakistanis lost huge part of their country due to such silly notion.

1. India is not federal, but quasi federal.
2. SL already has power devolution and that is 13 A
3. SL needs to be confident on its tamil politicians to devolve power.
4. Federal system is inimical to Sri Lanka's defence concerns.

As for Tamil Eelam, thats the true Tamil homeland from where Tamils migrated to Tamilnadu not vice versa

@Rajaraja Chola, do you agree with this? I guess you are knowledgable in TN history.

Sinhala were ex Tamils (similar to Keralites) , 1000 yrs before their conversion to Buddhism and adopting the Pali- language. The fact that Sinhala were worshiping Tamil gods is testimony to your ex Tamil roots, so stop living in denial

Some Sinhalese undoutedly have tamil origins. Sinhala kings brought tamil mecenaries and tamil peoplw who settled in SL were absorbed into larger Sinhala identity.

But Lankan Tamils have a 2000 year old history who nearly commanded 30% of the ethnic population once

Could you please give a proper source to this 2000 year old history claim.And please give a source from where you picked this 30%? because Tamils never were 30% in SL..

you can check @Gibbs, he has dutch ancestry and is quite knowledgable on Dutch importing tamil labour for tobacco plantations in north and east.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Where did Sinhala people tried a policy like malaysia?

So you accept you were wrong when you said earlier that tamils have no problem in Malaysia. Just asking do you have any relatives in SL?


Could you please give a proper source to say that tamils lived in SL for 2000 years as a separate entity?



You have a point, and SL can learn a lot from Singapore model. Sri Lanka is a modern nation, which is multi ethnic and multi religious. Actually the only country in the world to have all the major four religions in significant scale.

At the same time SL is a lot different from Singapore, unlike S'pore, SL has a millenia of history and civilisation. And SL has never tried to act on a Bhumiputra policy like Malaysia. But ironically we had a similar law in North where Tamils used a system to prevent non tamils from acquiring land in north.

SL issue is a bit similar to Palestianian issue. In Palestinian land, British brought jews from outside and created an israel. So in the same manner the issue in SL is a result of demographic engineering by Dutch and British.



That is nice. We have a lot to learn from S'pore.

SO what is the source for real correct history?



1. India is not federal, but quasi federal.
2. SL already has power devolution and that is 13 A
3. SL needs to be confident on its tamil politicians to devolve power.
4. Federal system is inimical to Sri Lanka's defence concerns.


@Rajaraja Chola, do you agree with this? I guess you are knowledgable in TN history.


Some Sinhalese undoutedly have tamil origins. Sinhala kings brought tamil mecenaries and tamil peoplw who settled in SL were absorbed into larger Sinhala identity.

Could you please give a proper source to this 2000 year old history claim.And please give a source from where you picked this 30%? because Tamils never were 30% in SL..

you can check @Gibbs, he has dutch ancestry and is quite knowledgable on Dutch importing tamil labour for tobacco plantations in north and east.

Yea I can disagree. No. I do not have relatives in Lanka. But my fellow native villagers had interacted with Lankan Tamils during the 70's . They are much older now. I personally havent interacted with Lankan Tamil in person.

And for your information Manlion is not a Tamil. He have not replied to me , not even one time in Tamil. And I ignore him. I hope you too start ignoring him. I do not even read his post.

 

[Saradiel]

Yea I can disagree. No. I do not have relatives in Lanka. But my fellow native villagers had interacted with Lankan Tamils during the 70's . They are much older now. I personally havent interacted with Lankan Tamil in person.

And for your information Manlion is not a Tamil. He have not replied to me , not even one time in Tamil. And I ignore him. I hope you too start ignoring him. I do not even read his post.

dont be too harsh on manlion... I think he has SL tamil origins and living in a western country that is probably why he cannot speak the language...between do you have the sources I asked for?

 

[livingdead]

@Saradiel why do you say India is quasi federal. What other power would you want with states.

 

[manlion]

@Rajaraja Chola, do you agree with this? I guess you are knowledgable in TN history.

the discussion is between you and me - try and refute me if you can . if you can't stay off .. .. stop dragging lame ducks into the discussion ..

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

dont be too harsh on manlion... I think he has SL tamil origins and living in a western country that is probably why he cannot speak the language...between do you have the sources I asked for?

What do you mean by a separate entity? Tamils have been invaders all along their Lankan Tamil history, though their influence was never continous except in the North of Lanka.

 

[Saradiel]

the discussion is between you and me - try and refute me if you can . if you can't stay off .. .. stop dragging lame ducks into the discussion ..

Sorry I cannot refute your claim that tamil nadu was inhabited by people from SL which is the fact accepted by all historians passed out from manlion university.

What do you mean by a separate entity? Tamils have been invaders all along their Lankan Tamil history, though their influence was never continous except in the North of Lanka.

you were called a lame duck by manlion.
between,
Separate entity means a people who lived as a separate people with a separate history, separate civilisation with in a separate boundary. For example the Tamils in TN are a separate entity with their own civilisation flourished in TN. Marathi people, Bengalis people they are also like that. English, Irish, Dutch they are also like that. They are separate entity or in correct term separate nation.

India is an amulgamation of such nations. So power devolution and a quasi federal set up is suitable for india.

SL did not have a tamil nation within. That is what Sinhala people are saying. Their argument is Sinhala is the core of SL nation or the only nation to have a historical existence. Tamils did come to SL as invaders time to time. And they were repelled in the same way. And the tamils who stayed got absorbed in to Sinhala people.

At the same time colonials namely dutch and british were at war with Kandyan kingdom to grab power in SL. They also brought tamils from TN as labour. They are the tamil people who now live in north and east and even in central parts. This is easily understandable from looking at population data.

That is why I always say tamils have every right as an individual but sinhala and tamil identity can never be equal.

@Saradiel why do you say India is quasi federal. What other power would you want with states.

I dont want anything.
As far as i know the indian model is not federal and quasi federal. I just pointed out an error.
I just said why federalism is not suitable for SL.

@hinduguy guy,
there are a lot of things you people do not know about SL issue.

Many people tend to believe or taught to believe that all ills in SL started after SL language policy in 1956. And many have heard about ethnic riots in SL. But the first tamil sinhala riot gets no mention.
The First Sinhala-Tamil Riot, 1939

Tamil leaders' rejection of the "Ceylonese" model

Bandaranaike and others at first worked in the Ceylon equivalent of the "Indian national congress" and sought to obtain independence within the concept of a " Ceylonese" nation which embraced the Sinhalese, Tamils, Muslims and other groups. The Older Tamil leaders (Ponnambalam Arunachalam and Ponnambalam Ramanathan) were favorable to this, as long as they controlled the show. To break their power, G.G. Ponnambalam (GGP for short), an ambitious young Catholic lawyer who did not belong to the elite group, had to find a formula to capture the support of the Tamils. Recognizing that the proposal for universal franchise would reduce the Tamils to a minority, GGP began the racist cry in the 1930s. The Hansard reports in 1935 (column 3045) shows Ponnambalam claiming that he is a PROUD DRAVIDIAN, and rejecting the ceylonese concept that embraced all the ethnic groups (The references are in the book by the British historian Dr. Jane Russell, Communal Politics under the Donoughmore Constitution, Tissara Publishers, 1982).


Attacks on the Mahavamsa and the First Sinhala-Tamil riot in 1939.

The Tamil Vellalas realized that they would loose their dominant position if universal franchise was upheld. GGP began a full campaign against Universal Franchise and the
historical position of the Sinhalese. Jane Russell writes (page 131): "The Ceylon Tamils had no written document on the lines of the Mahavamsa to authenticate their singular and separate historical authority in Sri Lanka, a fact which Ceylon Tamil communalists found very irksome". Because of this, Tamil writers,and budding politicians like Ponnambalam began to attack the Mahavamsa. He went to political meeting claiming that the Tamils have always ruled the Sinhalese, and that the Sinhalese were "a race of hybrids" and an offshoot of the Tamils. The Dutugamunu-Elara story was used by "Ceylon Tamil agitators ? (as) an historical justification for the sense of grievance which they were so carefully nursing, and it was used to suggest that Sinhalese perfidy in the name of Sinhalese Buddhism would be the accepted practice in the future as well as in the past" (Russell, p. 154). Meanwhile, the Tamils continued to insist that they are effectively a majority community (Morning Star, January 2, 1934). The famous Peradeniya historian, Prof. K. M. de Silva has cited this fact as a main cause of the failure of the Ceylon National Congress and the concept of a united Sri Lanka (University of Ceylon History of Ceylon , p401).


At a meeting in Navalapitiya in 1939, Ponnambalam attacked the Mahavamsa and the Sinhalese in such extreme terms that the people attacked him, and the first Sinhala-Tamil riots began, with clashes in Navalapitiya, Passara, Maskeliya and even in Jaffna (reported in full in the newspaper, Hindu Organ November 1, 1939. This paper is said to be available at the Jaffna University Library). The British government rapidly put down the clashes and so they did not become extensive as in the post-1950s clashes.


The formation of the Sinhala Mahasabha.

The anti-sinhala movement of G. G. Ponnambalam made him popular among the Jaffna people. His Tamil Congress captured power from the moderate Tamils. Bandaranaike had meanwhile begun to reply G. G. Ponanmbalam. The Sinhala Maha Sabha was founded in 1936, spurred by attacks on the Sinhalese which were spearheaded by Ponnambalam. They had become intense in the 1930s. Bandaranaike set up branches of the Sinhala Maha Sabha in exactly the same cities that G. G. Ponnambalam went to give anti-sinhala speeches. In establishing the Nawalapitya branch of the Sinhala Mahasabha, SWRD stated thus: " The Nawalapitiya Sinhala Maha Sabha should erect a statue of Mr. Ponnambalam as we should be grateful to him for provoking the formation of this Sinhala Maha sabha" ( Hindu Organ, June 19, 1939). It is over Ponnambalam's explicit racism that Philip Goonawardene came to blows with him inside the State Council Chambers in the early 1940s.


Bandaranaike and many others took up this more polarized, nationalist position in reaction to G. G. Ponnambalam's racist program, just as today many Sinhalese have taken a more polarized position in reaction to the LTTE.
G. G. Ponnambalam held that:

(1)Universal franchise was a mistake. There were roughly equal numbers of "educated upper-caste Tamils" and "educated upper-caste Sinhalese". So the vote should be restricted and the chamber should be 50%-50% between the two communities ("balanced representation"). Basically, low-caste Tamils and Indian Tamils, and also most Sinhalese should not count!

(2)He upheld the caste system, and agreed with Ponnambalam Ramanathan, who went several times to London in the 1930s to ask the British government to uphold the caste system.

(3)Ponnnamblam held that the Tamils had always ruled the Sinhalese, and that Vijaya was " Vijayan", Kasyapa was "Kasi-appan", and Parakramabahu was a Tamil whose actual name was Pandya-Parakrama. His favorite attack theme was to begin by bashing the Mahavamsa.


(4)Ramanathan Ponnambalam, and also G. G. Ponnambalam and others REFUSED to accept that the Tamils are a minority in a democratic government, and did not attempt to create a political strategy that accepted the reality of being a minority.


(5)GGP visited Nazi Germany several times, accompanied by his right-wing British friends, in the mid 1930s, and probably copied the racist nationalism of Europe, just as N. M. Perera, Philip Gunawardena, Colvin R de Silva and other intellectuals copied the equally deadly leftist ideology of Marxism. Racism was fashionable in Europe in the 1930s and GGP imported it to Sri Lanka .

(6)When D. S. Senanayake managed to get both SWRD and GGP into his cabinet by his adroit political manipulations, a vacuum was created in the Tamil extremist space, and this was filled by the Tamil Sovereign party (Tamil Arasu Kachchi), falsely translated as "The Federal party", as every one knows the real meaning of the Tamil word "Arasu". The name came from the "League of Tamil federations", which had published a book in 1942 claiming to show that the Tamils were the main inhabitants of Sri Lanka, and that the Mahavamsa was a recent (16th century), false fabrication.


Bandaranaike as the opponent of Tamil racism nursed by Ponnambalam.


This writer holds that that SWRD had no option but to oppose the forces unleashed by GGP, by setting up the Sinhala Maha Sabha etc. The national dress and other things came with the temperance movement and the Sinhala and Tamil nationalist movements. These were in turn influenced by the Indian nationalist movements. The early life of SWRD shows that he was influenced by the Indian nationalist movements in Oxford. He was a sincere, sensitive politician who overestimated his capacity to control the nationalist forces and the intrigues of the anti-nationalist forces that were unleashed within the racist politics of the 1930s. The rank communalism of the Tamils was made respectable, socially acceptable and nourished by the Tamil Congress in the 1930-40s. That is why the idea of a Ceylonese nation failed, already by 1939. The continued program launched by the Federal party was based on a separate Tamil identity for the Tamils, fully denying the Ceylonese concept of D. S. Senanayake and Oliver Goonatileke . The Federal party began to invent grievances and organize provocative "Sathyagrahas" instead of building bridges between the two communities. E. M. V. Naganathan enjoyed claiming that he was a descendent of a Chola aristocrat. The Federal party leaders wanted to carve out a North-Eastern fiefdom for themselves, governing it from the comfort of Colombo. In time to come the local militants in the north realized this and eliminated the Federal Party-TULF leadership. There was no way of preventing a final show down as long as the Federal party continued on its path, towards the TULF and BataKotte (Vadukkoddei), and then to the active support of the armed militancy of the LTTE and Giranikke (KIllinochchi).


The First Sinhala-Tamil Riot, 1939

Look at this map of south asia according to Mahabharat, Lanka is shown as Sinhala

 

[itachiii]

And yes , even in TN we have a National Anthem in Tamil, we use it after singing our National Anthem. No need to be naive and stupid like this.

what is that ?? I have no clue of it..

 

[Azizam]

lankans should copy our federalism, the more you continue with single identity single country thing, the more brittle your unity will be. But then, if civil war cant teach you lesson there is little chance you will mend your ways.
Pakistanis lost huge part of their country due to such silly notion.

hahahaha WTF??? SL had one civil war which was funded by India in the early stages and no thanks I have said many times that federalism is a failure. If current standards of living/crimes/violence/wars/separatism/low GDP/corruption/cast problems can't teach you a lesson there is little chance you will mend your ways.