Sons of murdered Saudi journalist Khashoggi 'forgive' killers

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Certainly Arabia is the oldest country on earth it even existed before Mesopotamia and Egypt but I was talking about Saudi Arabia.

So it should be called the Kingdom of Hijaz, Najd, Eastern Arabia, Southern Arabia, Northern Arabia, Sham (Northern KSA is part of the Levant), Mesopotamia (Northeastern KSA is part of historical Mesopotamia), Yemen (Southern KSA is part of Southern Arabia/historical Yemen/), Tihamah, Al-Yamana, Jabal Shammar etc.?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Historical_regions_in_Saudi_Arabia

Kingdom of Arabia on its own makes no political sense as that would require control of ALL of Arabia to make sense/have any type of legitimacy.

So it is easier to include Saudia (the dynastic name of the current ruling dynasty 1 out of 100's in recorded history) and Arabia. People of KSA do not have a problem with this as Arabia is included in the name and the ruling family has enjoyed widespread support since the beginning due to the ground realities of KSA, wealth, stability etc. While KSA is not a perfect country, far from it, (which country is), the majority, if they truly wanted, could and would remove the House of Saud and change status quo but there is so far no need for it and we have all seen how "well" regime changes have gone in the region, in your country included. No offense.

In any case this is something that Saudi Arabians will decide and nobody else, I don't understand why foreigners are obsessed about this topic?

I dont care about the Mullahs of Iran or Erdogan,what happened to Khashoggi in my country(chopped into pieces),how it happened,who ordered it is what i care about.
You know it was staged trial,just a show.
Will you admit it or will you be like the Erdogan fanboys,support MBS no matter what?
What differentiates you from the fanboys?

So selective outrage, just as I wrote.

Where was your outrage when the Iranian Mullah regime murdered an Iranian Arab political activist in the Netherlands, your other country? I did not even see a single thread created on PDF about this.

KSA (every government official did that while giving speeches to Western and non-Western media) admitted this own goal (the first in history of such a kind) and locals were shocked. To this day this incident is shrouded in mystery and quite frankly to me it looks like inside sabotage and the timing (just as KSA and MBS were opening up and gaining goodwill even in the Western press) is very suspicious.

If MBS was truly behind this then it was a sign of his nativity, young age and it was a huge own goal as I already wrote many times before. This topic (on PDF) has been discussed 100 times. It appears every few months here.

Don't confuse me with blind fanboys, I criticize KSA and Arab countries/Arab world/events in the Arab world constantly on PDF, don't confuse me combating lies/propaganda (which every impartial, including moderators, person here on PDF can attest to is rampant of late) here with me being some kind of "blind regime follower" that lives in cuckoo land where the rulers/government cannot commit any crimes, faults etc. If you knew Arabic, you would witness the huge Saudi Arabian social media presence and realize that discussions (controversial included) are a daily thing.

You always use that against Turkey, yes true the situation worsened in this regard but there are still oppositional newpapers in Turkey and quite big ones actually.
The only reason why Saudi Arabia doesnt jail (or dismember) more oppositional journalists is because they simply dont exist, you cant arrest or kill something that doesnt exist.
See there was one very mild critic of the Saudi family and he got brutally murdered in such a cruel way that shocked the whole world.

So let me ask you where you get the never to take this as an argument against Turkey while playing the saudi royal family mouthpiece here?

I mention it because people who live in a glass house should not make moral lectures and pretend that they care for "moral" reasons. As I wrote before (also), if that criticism came from citizens of Denmark, Netherlands, Scandinavia and such countries with clean track records (in recent era that is) I would look the other way.

An the Khashoggi case was an anomaly hence the reaction of the world. Nobody would blink (take much notice) if this was done by Russia, Iran or North Korea.

Besides Khashoggi was not some completely innocent lamb as people (Western media has talked about this as well) and he might have been leaking out state secrets to enemies. His connection to power circles is well-known as was his ties to MB/Turkey/Qatar/West. We don't know the reasons, I can only say that KSA would/has never gone after journalists in this fashion before.

Besides he was not really a "journalist", he was much more than just that. He worked for the royal court and was loyal to KSA (at least based only on his writings on Washington Post) to the end.

Nor do I support his killing either so not sure what I need to write? I have nothing to do with it either.

I care about my country and people, irrespective of regime. Just like you blindly follow Erdogan's policy all over the region no matter if it is detrimental to Turkey or not. I have seen your posts so don't pretend otherwise. So if I am a regime mouthpiece (using your logic), you are the exact same thing.

As for the rest, see my reply to your compatriot.

 

[xenon54 out]

Besides Khashoggi was not some completely innocent lamb as people (Western media has talked about this as well) and he might have been leaking out state secrets to enemies.

I leave everything a side but this sentence, my god...

 

[T-123456]

Where was your outrage when the Iranian Mullah regime murdered an Iranian Arab political activist in the Netherlands, your other country? I did not even see a single thread created on PDF about this.

I didnt know him,not interested.
I knew Kashoggi,read many of his writings,he was in a way a nationalist but still worth chopping him up.
That pissess me off.

I care about my country and people, irrespective of regime. Just like you blindly follow Erdogan's policy all over the region no matter if it is detrimental to Turkey or not. I have seen your posts so don't pretend otherwise. So if I am a regime mouthpiece (using your logic), you are the exact same thing.

Are you sure it was me who follows Erdogans policies or are you just trying to find excuses?
See you admitted it,your just another fanboy,''I care about my country and people, irrespective of regime"
Im anti Erdogan,unlike you i dont follow a dictator.

I leave everything a side but this sentence, my god...

Bro,what do you expect from a MBS fanboy?

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

I leave everything a side but this sentence, my god...

Yes, take one sentence out of the reply to fake an "outrage" even though the statement was not controversial at all and in line with what Western media themselves wrote following his murder.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/14/world/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-saudi-arabia.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...290f28-ca3d-11e8-ad0a-0e01efba3cc1_story.html

to just post a few of such articles.

Based on the facts on the ground;

1) KSA has no history of killing political opponents

2) Khashoggi was a former "insider"

3) Khashoggi had close ties to MB (a banned terrorist organization in KSA and much of the Arab world), wrote about them positively openly, had close (allegedly) ties with Qatar and Turkey as well due to the MB link and sympathies.

So there must be a reason for such an action from the perspective of MBS. Treason (leaking state secrets, working with foreign powers to weaken KSA) cannot be ruled out, that is evident. It was a political own goal nevertheless regardless of the reasons and what really occurred, sabotage or no sabotage.

As for what I wrote otherwise in that post, I understand why you don't/can't counter it.

I didnt know him,not interested.
I knew Kashoggi,read many of his writings,he was in a way a nationalist but still worth chopping him up.
That pissess me off.

Are you sure it was me who follows Erdogans policies or are you just trying to find excuses?
See you admitted it,your just another fanboy,''I care about my country and people, irrespective of regime"
Im anti Erdogan,unlike you i dont follow a dictator.


Bro,what do you expect from a MBS fanboy?

I am not interested in your selective outrage either while living in a glass house. You did not know the person either and you are not familiar with his Arabic writings (99% of his overall writings). Also you don't need to tell me about Khashoggi, people of KSA know him better than foreigners do.

Are you blind or is old age catching up with you? My reply was to @xenon54 not you. Besides I have seen you cheering for Erdogan's regional projects here so don't pretend otherwise. I have criticized MBS and internal and external policies of KSA many times on PDF (just ask around) so if I am a blind "regime follower", you two are the exact same.

I don't consider MBS as a bad ruler for KSA overall. I have liked many of the many recent positive and much needed reforms under the new administration since 2015. The changes that KSA has undergone in such a short time span have been amazing. Most people share this sentiment in KSA, especially the youth. KSA is a monarchy, nobody has claimed it is a Western liberal democracy. Neither is Turkey for that matter. Never was.

Anyway my previous posts and points remain the same, not going to bother further as it is a waste of time and the agenda is obvious for everyone with an IQ above 50.

You two and others here on PDF can continue making 100's of threads about Khashoggi for the next 20 years and beating a dead horse while living in a glass house and faking selective "outrage".

You will have the opportunity to beat a dead horse while living in a glass house many times again on PDF since I suspect that 10's of future threads will be created about this topic on PDF again.

 

[Timur]

guys dont argue this guy wont do anything other than hailing and praying to his master bone saw..

 

[xenon54 out]

Yes, take one sentence out of the reply to fake an "outrage" even though the statement was not controversial at all and in line with what Western media themselves wrote following his murder.

Nah im just amazed at your understanding of justice thats all.

 

[Morpheus]

maybe it was like: forgive or we will chainsaw you too

They did force his son to come shake MBS hand after the incident. You could see the awkwardness in that pic/video.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Nah im just amazed at your understanding of justice thats all.

Why engage in a discussion if you don't read what the person that you are bothering to discuss with online is writing? What is the point of it? To start some online argument for the sake of it?

Which part of "I condemn his murder", "people in KSA were shocked", "it was a big political blunder whatever the reasons behind this action/murder were - sabotage or no sabotage", "KSA's government condemned it officially and has been doing it constantly 1.5 years later", "I had nothing to do with it", "I don't like selective and fake outrage from people who live in a glass house" etc. was so hard to understand?

As for the concept of blood money and forgiveness (to spare the death penalty and use prison sentences instead), take that up with Islam itself and Islamic traditions, not me. This is a widespread practice in KSA and many other countries fo the world and I consider it as a fair and good practice. Forgiveness can only be initiated by the family/victim's family and is not forced upon them. It is their choice. There are many such cases each year in KSA involving locals and foreigners/expats alike.

Most members of Khashoggi's family continue to live in KSA and nobody is forcing them to stay. Some of his family has returned back home to KSA after leaving in 2018. Anyway not sure why I even bother telling basics to people that are clueless about KSA.

They did force his son to come shake MBS hand after the incident. You could see the awkwardness in that pic/video.

Go read the statements and writings of Khashoggi's father, sons and family in KSA and outside of it. Oh wait, you cannot understand Arabic. Contact them on their public Twitter users and tell them what to do as you seem to know better.

 

[ANMDT]

It is strange when someone tries to defend a barbaric move, kidnapping and murdering a person in diplomatic mission of his own country, countering the international laws and abusing regarding to immunity of inspection-investigation.
The world has seen how fast KSA has changed their claims as Turkish government leaked "intelligence" with tiny details.
This incident has two parts; the first is regarding to his family and relatives it is all about their dignity and their personal matter, No one has right to judge, the second is entirely about Turkish republic neither his family nor KSA has any privilege to speak or debate about.

 

[-SINAN-]

Besides Khashoggi was not some completely innocent lamb

He is a chopped lamb now. Don't bother writing me wall of text, not gonna read it. And i don't care if King decides to chop half of his subjects, your country your rules. Good choppings.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

It is strange when someone tries to defend a barbaric move, kidnapping and murdering a person in diplomatic mission of his own country, countering the international laws and abusing regarding to immunity of inspection-investigation.
The world has seen how fast KSA has changed their claims as Turkish government leaked "intelligence" with tiny details.
This incident has two parts; the first is regarding to his family and relatives it is all about their dignity and their preference Turkey has no rights to speak or judge,
the second is entirely about Turkey and neither his family or KSA has any privilege to speak or debate about.

Strange, I naively thought that "professionals" were able to understand elementary English, seems not to be the case even though my posts in this thread are visible for everyone.

He is a chopped lamb now. Don't bother writing me wall of text, not gonna read it. And i don't care if King decides to chop half of his subjects, your country your rules. Good choppings.

I don't care about Erdogan jailing the highest number of journalists in the world and the long list of Turkish journalsits killed in Turkey (far greater than in KSA) either. Just control your selective and "fake" outrage, people with an IQ above 50 can easily see what this is all about. I know that PDF has turned into a "Erdogan/Turkey holy cow community" (unlike in the real world) but nevertheless.

Ending it here as I am wasting my time. Please continue beating a dead horse while living in a glass house. This is "only" thread number 101 about Khashoggi to date on PDF.

 

[ANMDT]

Strange, I naively thought that "professionals" were able to understand elementary English, seems not to be the case even though my posts in this thread are visible for everyone.

Unfortunately Turkish language is my native language, you neither has right to judge my title or a foreign language i am speaking.
The posts you have written engages in demagogy as its finest.

 

[-SINAN-]

Unfortunately Turkish language is my native language, you neither has right to judge my title or a foreign language i am speaking.

Bro, if you got personally got attacked just report him...Mods are working so good lately.

 

[ANMDT]

Bro, if you got personally got attacked just report him...Mods are working so good lately.

I reported already bro. I even didn't read his posts, neither targeted him with my post but looks like he has got 'something' about the matter.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

I reported already bro. I even didn't read his posts, neither targeted him with my post but looks like he has got 'something' about the matter.

Yes, I have a problem when a user (you in this case) seemingly has problems understanding elementary English (my posts) since you make fake claims of me "defending" Khashoggi's murder. Of course I am not going to accept, what the hell are you expecting exactly?

You just wrote it yourself, you did not even read my posts, so why the empty claims?

Report all you want to like some child, I don't care and I did not break any forum rules.