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I post this for all Pakistanis here out of concern for where the country is going. Although I am an eternal optimist on Pakistan and will remain so, we are in precarious times. Admittedly, politically we are always in a bind, but this time around the economic pressure is of a magnitude never before seen - even during the period of worst US sanctions post nuclear testing things were not this bad. I did not like the overly alarmist heading of the piece that I post below, thus the title of the thread.

The economic mismanagement of the past aside, looking ahead there are some tough times coming and this opinion articulates these from a vantage point that perhaps we don't read in our own press. Michael Rubin is a bit of nay-sayer on Pakistan (including the standard American line being toed about CPEC), but most of the rest is factual. Purpose in posting here is not to start another finger-pointing thread amongst PTI-PDM crowd and establishment bashing, rather what should be the economic measures for Pakistan to take to get out of the current situation. Kindly turn your political party affiliation mode to "off" and put your "Pakistan" hat on for this thread. Shukria!

Pakistan’s Coming Collapse Should Worry the World​

The bubble is collapsing, and the result will not be pretty.

by Michael Rubin

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine sent economic shockwaves across not only Europe but also the broader Middle East. Pakistan, whose economy is already weak because of decades of corruption, mismanagement, and unstable governance, has been particularly vulnerable. While many countries are dependent upon Ukrainian or Russian wheat or foreign energy imports, Pakistan requires both. Between July 2020 and January 2021, for example, Pakistan was the third-largest consumer of Ukrainian wheat exports after Indonesia and Egypt. The price spike in oil prices has hit Pakistan hard, driving up the cost of its imports by more than 85 percent, to almost $5 billion, just between 2020 and 2021.
For Pakistan, it is a perfect storm. At the end of Pakistan’s fiscal year on June 30, 2022, its trade deficit neared $50 billion, a 57 percent increase over the previous year. Had the Shehbaz Sharif government not banned the import of more than 800 non-essential luxury items in May 2022, the figure might have been even higher.
Even the middle class is unable to keep up with inflation. In June, inflation soared to over 20 percent, the highest in the recent past. An International Monetary Fund-directed end to subsidies has caused both the price of electricity and gas to soar, even beyond the hike caused by the rise in oil prices worldwide. Food insecurity is rife. According to the State Bank of Pakistan, “reliance on imports for edible oil and oilseed meals to meet domestic demand consumption has been increasing over the past two decades: 86 percent of domestic edible oil consumption in 2020 came from imports up from 77 percent in 2000.” Population growth is only increasing the need for imports as domestic projects to produce soybean and palm oil falter.
Meanwhile, the Pakistani rupee continues to hemorrhage value when compared to the U.S. dollar, off more than 30 percent over the past year. In contrast, the Indian rupee has slid just over six percent. The decline in the Pakistani rupee hurts the middle class especially and all those unable to dollarize their saving. Wealthier households and the affluent invest in lucrative real estate dealings instead of activity that could generate not only rent-seeking income but also employment.
Yusuf Nazar, a former chief strategist at Citigroup’s emerging markets division, estimates that Pakistan’s foreign exchange reserves have dropped by half since February to just $6.3 billion, akin to what Iran suffered under the so-called “maximum pressure” campaign. For Pakistan, however, the dramatic decline is of its own making: According to Nazar, Pakistan has received more International Monetary Fund (IMF) bailouts than any other country. This shows the unwillingness or inability of the Sharifs, Bhuttos, and Khans to implement serious reform.
International patience has worn out. The IMF no longer trusts Pakistani promises to reform, and is unwilling to throw good money after bad. Islamabad’s unwillingness to conduct reforms demanded by the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) underlines how intertwined the Inter-Services Intelligence agency is with the murkier aspects of Pakistani finance.
Efforts by some Pakistani liberals to relaunch the stalled Trade and Investment Framework Agreement with the United States have gone nowhere, especially given Washington’s concerns with poor Pakistani regulatory practices, supply chain management, data protection, and intellectual property rights.
One of the reasons successive Pakistani leaders avoided reform was that they believed it easier to accept the fairytales spun by China. Far from being an economic savior for Pakistan, however, it is now clear that Beijing used the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), foolishly acceded to by Sharif’s brother Nawaz, as a mechanism to enslave Pakistan. “Our friendship is higher than the Himalayas and deeper than the deepest sea in the world and sweeter than honey,” he said in words that most Pakistanis today rue. Instead of promoting growth in Pakistan, the CPEC has become a liability for Islamabad. Sovereign counter guarantees to Chinese independent power producers eat up the Pakistani government’s revenue, even as Pakistan continues to face lengthy power outages. CPEC project implementation is sporadic even though, for the last four years, Pakistan is the world’s largest recipient of Chinese grants and assistance.
The World Bank has warned that Pakistan could soon face “macroeconomic instability.” Societal instability would soon follow. Pakistan’s private sector has not created enough jobs to absorb the labor pool. Anger is reaching the boiling point, and growing criminality hints at societal breakdown.
Sri Lanka’s collapse worries the region, but Pakistan’s collapse should worry the world. For decades, state failure in Pakistan has been a nightmare scenario. Both Pakistan and the broader world have had a taste of that scenario as violence, extremism, and poverty engulf the former capital and commercial hub of Karachi and as Pakistani authorities lose control over many regions alongside the Afghanistan border. The United States, India, and Iran are right to worry about the security of Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal, as military officers also begin to struggle to get by. Pakistani elite live in a state of denial believing that the status quo in which they live an affluent life insulated from broader society is permanent. It is not. The bubble is collapsing, and the result will not be pretty.
Michael Rubin is a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.

https://nationalinterest.org/print/feature/pakistan’s-coming-collapse-should-worry-world-203545
 
Nepal seems to be faring better than Pakistan and SriLanka. Nepal has taken austerity measures to curb imports such as luxury goods and reduce its fuel consumption.
 
Never ever cite Michael Rubin. He's one of the biggest self-declared enemies of Turkey, Azerbaijan, Iran and Pakistan. He is blindly pro-Israel and will condemn anybody who criticizes Israel even in the slightest bit. He's also very pro-Hindu.
 
Never ever cite Michael Rubin. He's one of the biggest self-declared enemies of Turkey, Azerbaijan, Iran and Pakistan. He is blindly pro-Israel and will condemn anybody who criticizes Israel even in the slightest bit. He's also very pro-Hindu.
He is, but let's take the factual points and move the discussion forward. I don't think a single Pakistani member here would disagree that Pakistan's economic situation is close to where Greece was 7 years ago. The only difference is they defaulted in 2015, we are close but I am confident we won't let that come to pass.

However what is worrisome is that we are continually in these damned boom and bust cycles.

Posting 2 blogs from a source that I have started admiring (Muzamil Hasan) who is young, energetic, talented and always a pleasure to listen to as he is wise beyond his young years:

First, Javed Hassan: Is Pakistan Going Bankrupt? Ft. Javed Hassan | 236 | TBT
An excellent read of the situation on hand and specific guidance on what the GoP should be doing and how his think tank has tried to advise the GoP and continues to lobby for changes.

Second, Miftah Ismail (prior to him being in government so no political rhetoric!): Is Pakistan’s economy headed towards sustainable and equitable growth? Ft. Miftah Ismail | TPP

Hope these two help to kick-start more chatter. I am sure many members have already seen this but I felt these are apt for this thread.

I must mention _NOBODY_ for always including me in the content that he posts here. Thanks for doing that! Hope others check out the links he posts from time to time.
 
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He is, but let's take the factual points and move the discussion forward. I don't think a single Pakistani member here would disagree that Pakistan's economic situation is close to where Greece was 7 years ago. The only difference is they defaulted in 2015, we are close but I am confident we won't let that come to pass.
To quote a certain hi profile troll: Rocket ki taran Pakistan ki economy upar Jaye ge.

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I don't want to state the obvious reason because many people won't accept the reality.

For the problem to get resolved you need to accept it first. We can go round and round in circles debating about the symptoms but not the actual problem then we will be defaulted very soon.
 
Pakistani elite live in a state of denial believing that the status quo in which they live an affluent life insulated from broader society is permanent
This is the thing! From our inception elites have held Pakistan and its resources hostage. Is sa aga kuch kahoon ga to log bura mana jata hain.
 
This is the thing! From our inception elites have held Pakistan and its resources hostage. Is sa aga kuch kahoon ga to log bura mana jata hain.
Most, if not all, here belong to that class my friend. The elite in Pakistan is someone who has a house of his own, some sort of conveyance at his disposal and some disposable income. Our super-rich don't even make up 0.0001% of the population. So whatever is coming is hitting us all.

I just read a JP Morgan Chase report that if things get further tightened up in the Russian-Ukraine war, the PPB of oil can go from $100 to $400. That could happen with Russia choking off supplies to Western Europe. Can you imagine what that could do to Pakistan and the rest of South Asia?
 
.. Purpose in posting here is not to start another finger-pointing thread amongst PTI-PDM crowd and establishment bashing, rather what should be the economic measures for Pakistan to take to get out of the current situation.

There's no PTI-PDM crowd on PDF (or elsewhere for that matter)..We have a few PDM propagandists, Pro-establishment PDF management ( for reasons you know well) and the "crowd" that is not happy with Bajwa and co. for imposing corrupt Mafia on Pakistan

You can never have an honest and positive discussion without first being honest yourself
 
countries are temporary setup of people to live a live . countries are not immortals . people of this land will live here forever as they were living before pakistan .
 
I have been reading similar posts since I joined PDF in late 2008, now 14 years. My perspective is as an American, 76 years old, son of a grocery store butcher and an elementary school teacher mother, PhD in Physics as a beneficiary of the US government subsidy of science education post Soviet Sputnik. I believe that Pakistan is not nearly as blessed with natural resources as is the US and many, many other countries. Not even close. Therefore, to compete in our world economically, Pakistan must make the most of its human capital. This means EDUCATION in areas of value. Consider Taiwan, South Korea and Israel. None have above average natural resources. All have above average GDP per capita. Pakistan squanders its human capital resources in two major ways: (1) excessive focus on Kashmir/India and (2) excessive reliance on Islamic education. The first leads to the power of the "neutrals", both in usage of very talented manpower and huge rupee resources. The second leads to both a needlessly unprepared to compete labor force and to continuation of sectarian tensions in the society. I don't believe Pakistan will compete with the likes of Taiwan until it finds a way to shift resources from the "neutrals" to secular education, i.e. engineering and science studies from elementary school to university, and to fostering financial investment in modern technology businesses.
 
I have been reading similar posts since I joined PDF in late 2008, now 14 years. My perspective is as an American, 76 years old, son of a grocery store butcher and an elementary school teacher mother, PhD in Physics as a beneficiary of the US government subsidy of science education post Soviet Sputnik. I believe that Pakistan is not nearly as blessed with natural resources as is the US and many, many other countries. Not even close. Therefore, to compete in our world economically, Pakistan must make the most of its human capital. This means EDUCATION in areas of value. Consider Taiwan, South Korea and Israel. None have above average natural resources. All have above average GDP per capita. Pakistan squanders its human capital resources in two major ways: (1) excessive focus on Kashmir/India and (2) excessive reliance on Islamic education. The first leads to the power of the "neutrals", both in usage of very talented manpower and huge rupee resources. The second leads to both a needlessly unprepared to compete labor force and to continuation of sectarian tensions in the society. I don't believe Pakistan will compete with the likes of Taiwan until it finds a way to shift resources from the "neutrals" to secular education, i.e. engineering and science studies from elementary school to university, and to fostering financial investment in modern technology businesses.
I kinda partially agree with you here. After the recent neutral/pdm/foreign power operation regime change, the general of Pakistan stands completely exposed. No matter how many songs or fraud they do, it's hard for public to trust them back. These generals, establishment, corrupt politicians and waderas are eating up Pakistani wealth for last 75 years.

Second issue with labor as you mentioned, we have millions upon millions of population which are busy with religious education. Mulla misleading people triggering sectarian clashes. Half of the population which is female, vast majority of them sitting home because some mulla told them it's against the religion to work for women. Rest half which is male, half of them don't want to work or are religious nutcase.

Pakistan being south asian nutcase, need govt like Bangladesh where there is kinda fake democracy but actually one party rule with iron hand who crush and political opponent and force people to work whether male or female. They also have religious fanatics in their place.
 
As I said initially, the venting against "Neutrals, Establishment and Generals" has been going on in multiple threads. If the intent is to carry on with more of this narrow lens then folks might as well use the other threads instead of targeting yet another thread for this vitriol. I don't have any interest in furthering this issue and nobody here can convince others that all economic problems lead back to the "establishment". That is patently untrue.

Starting off, Pakistan's problems are multi-faceted and not all of them are aligned to just one pillar/area as is being pointed out above. The economy has been run by civilians alike and their performance is quite questionable because just like IMF directions are ignored because politically they are not popular (even though they are the right steps), the same goes for policy corrections. It is not the establishment that gets in the way of more aggressive tax collection or reforming the business sector for ease of business for foreign entities. Similarly, the water shortage issue, its not the establishment (I am including the military, judiciary and bureaucrats - all unelected officials running the country minus the politicians) that gets in the way of building more dams. It is the collective responsibility of the politicians to build national consensus on such things and they have miserably and spectacularly failed at this despite the fact that we have enough water going through our rivers to meet the needs of the country.

I 100% agree that we need more focus on our human resource as it is the one and only possibly redeeming area for Pakistan. But let's also be mindful that we spend under 3% of our GDP on security and national defense. The most significant part of our annual expenditure is on debt servicing (and the largest component of this is on account of the loans we have taken to address the budget deficit). So we are pressed from multiple fronts and not just on the defense spending side.

On the issue of Kashmir, it is not just the establishment, rather our entire national narrative which reinforces Kashmir as the "sheh-rug" of Pakistan. There is 7 decades of emotional baggage tied to this issue and no one entity in Pakistan can wean the public off this quickly although some cooling down can help but then whosoever tries it, they would be labeled "Sellout". Ignoring this issue means what for anyone? We all know the answer. So now take the issue of recognizing Israel and multiply that a hundred times to realize how central this issue is for all of Pakistan.

Bringing the conversation back to the shocks on national economy from the energy prices, here is how things could get a lot worse:

Soaring Energy Prices Spell Disaster For Pakistan​


Editor OilPrice.com
Thu, July 14, 2022, 2:00 PM


It seems that there is no end in sight for the Russia-Ukraine War, with tensions more likely to escalate rather than thaw. Finland and Sweden are on course to join NATO having completed their accession protocols while Moldova and Ukraine have been assigned NATO candidacy. Putin has made it clear that if NATO builds infrastructure in either Finland or Sweden then Russia will “respond in kind”. A further escalation of this war will have serious consequences for global energy markets, and the effects of the resultant energy crisis will be particularly pronounced in developing countries like Pakistan.
TTF

TTF
The IEA has recently issued a warning that Germany will face a serious energy crisis as Russia might stop its gas flows to the country. Policy-makers in Germany have already called for emergency measures, the second stage of which will include energy providers passing on the cost to consumers. In the third stage, the country will initiate gas rationing that will threaten companies in the chemical, aluminum, and glass industries. Gas flows from Nord Stream 1 are already down 60 percent. Natural Gas prices in Europe have risen by 700 percent since the beginning of the year.
While Russia saw a decline of around 554, 000 bpd of oil demand from Europe from March to May, Asia came to the rescue by buying 503,000 bpd. However, the LNG that was previously going to Asia will now be going to Europe which will drive LNG prices to historic highs. According to Platts, the U.S., in particular, has increased its exports to the EU.
EU

EU
All of this will have a significant impact on countries like Pakistan. The country has been forced to import fuel oil to replace LNG. Fuel oil imports hit a 4-year high last month. Pakistan has already been suffering severe energy shortages with blackouts, also known as “load-shedding”, extending for up to 16 hours a day. This is when South Asia is experiencing an unprecedented heat wave with temperatures reaching 50C.
Asia Pacific

Asia Pacific
Pakistan will not be able to get two cargoes from Qatar arranged for August. Pakistan LNG Limited (PLL) and the government has been issuing tenders to get their hands on more cargoes but to no avail. The government is now on course to face a shortfall of 500 mmcfd. The lack of LNG will only exacerbate the current electricity crisis in Pakistan. The total shortfall of electricity is 7,000 MW with total power generation at 28,638MW.

Falling reserves and rising coal prices are a recipe for disaster as Pakistan is running out of options for affordable energy. The energy crisis is intimately tied to the country’s growing economic worries. Securing coal from Afghanistan, for example, can cost $25 million on a weekly basis. According to Bloomberg, Pakistan needs $41 billion over the next 12 months to avert a full-blown economic crisis.
The energy and economic future of countries like Pakistan are more dependent than ever on European politics. Due to the tensions between Russia and the EU and the fact that Europe is trying to secure as much LNG as possible, energy prices have touched levels that developing countries like Pakistan simply cannot afford. According to one estimate, during the current fiscal year, the LNG cost will touch $5 billion for the country which is twice as high as last year. Furthermore, Pakistan’s LNG imports saw a drop of 15 percent due to the factors above while that of Europe has surged by 50 percent. LNG prices have increased by almost 50 percent since the 19th of June.
LNG

LNG
The Nord Stream 1 pipeline has gone under maintenance and there are concerns that it might not come online again. In such a situation, natural gas prices, and the price of alternatives such as coal, will skyrocket. That will not only put extraordinary pressure on Pakistan’s national exchequer but will also plunge the country further into blackouts as it battles a serious heatwave. Natural gas is also used to make fertilizers, meaning high prices will impact the availability of food stocks, worsening the food crisis. Rising inflation only adds to the list of issues.
The whole situation perfectly fits what Adam Tooze describes as the Polycrisis in his book, The Shutdown. The political is colliding with the economic. The ideological is locking horns with the pragmatic. Until or unless there is a thaw in the fight between Russia and Ukraine, developing countries like Pakistan will find themselves between a rock and a hard place, struggling to balance the economy and the expectations of the people.
Pakistan’s future, like many other countries, will now be decided thousands of kilometers away in the halls of the European parliament and the Kremlin. As always, there is a downside to too much connectivity.
By Osama Rizvi for Oilprice.com
 

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