So here's my fan theory on the Zarb Missile.

[Kompromat]

1. PN already has 120 C-602s in service, they were bought off the shelf to service long overdue coastal defense needs.
2. Zarb is not C-602 per say. If we compare the two, its apparent that Zarb is a sleeker and longer than the C-602.
3. My theory is that C-602 technology has been cross bred with Babur Cruise Missile, especially the Babur WS-II. Maybe even some western sub systems.
4. This enables us to bypass MTCR export restrictions and therefore it wouldn't be a surprise if Zarb's range would be close to the original C-602, which is about 400km.
5. It also means that we might be able to produce this system in quantities deemed desirable for coastal defense needs. We might even be able to export it in the long term.

What's your pov?

 

[Armchair]

Very interesting perspective Horus.

I think the paint scheme may make it look sleeker. But its possibly exactly the same, perhaps a tad longer.

If its a NESCOM project, its just an indigenized C-602 with extended range greater than MTCR. Which is what you've suggested. Not sure about the Babur lineage though.

Could this also be the basis for the Harbah?

Not sure if China would be happy with an indeginized C-602 being exported. Nor would the Americans be happy about it either.

 

[hussain0216]

1. PN already has 120 C-602s in service, they were bought off the shelf to service long overdue coastal defense needs.
2. Zarb is not C-602 per say. If we compare the two, its apparent that Zarb is a sleeker and longer than the C-602.
3. My theory is that C-602 technology has been cross bred with Babur Cruise Missile, especially the Babur WS-II. Maybe even some western sub systems.
4. This enables us to bypass MTCR export restrictions and therefore it wouldn't be a surprise if Zarb's range would be close to the original C-602, which is about 400km.
5. It also means that we might be able to produce this system in quantities deemed desirable for coastal defense needs. We might even be able to export it in the long term.

What's your pov?

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Very likely?

It looks like we bought the system with actual tot

Then made our own changes to it, as you say mixed some of our own tech from Babur, harba etc

Bottom line we have some decent range anti ship defence and with 8 more subs heading our way its bad news for india

 

[313ghazi]

Didn't a Chinese member post that it looked almost identical to another Chinese anti ship missile?

 

[Safriz]

Looking at the number of skates being ejected, far more are being ejected n Chinese missile than Zarb. Indicating design and dimension changes. Probably Zarb is lighter and doesn't need that many skates.

 

[Kompromat]

How did the Chinese get the tech for their silkworms?

Harbah is a Navalised Babur-II (WS2)
I know the superficial changes are minute but if it is a NESCOM project then all systems have got to be local or at least sanction proof.

Very interesting perspective Horus.

I think the paint scheme may make it look sleeker. But its possibly exactly the same, perhaps a tad longer.

If its a NESCOM project, its just an indigenized C-602 with extended range greater than MTCR. Which is what you've suggested. Not sure about the Babur lineage though.

Could this also be the basis for the Harbah?

Not sure if China would be happy with an indeginized C-602 being exported. Nor would the Americans be happy about it either.

 

[Safriz]

How did the Chinese get the tech for their silkworms?

Harbah is a Navalised Babur-II (WS2)
I know the superficial changes are minute but if it is a NESCOM project then all systems have got to be local or at least sanction proof.

Disagree.
Harbah is Babur 3. Its shorter than Babur2 which is the box standard Babur with active radar seekers to hit targets at sea and land

 

[Khanate]

Interesting.


The new Babur 1B have a similar redesigned air intake so there certainly is cross-breeding going on in all these projects.

 

[Kompromat]

Front section is more pronounced. Slightly redesigned.

Babur-3 is smaller.

Babur 1,2 & Harbah are derivatives of each other.

Disagree.
Harbah is Babur 3. Its shorter than Babur2 which is the box standard Babur with active radar seekers to hit targets at sea and land

 

[Armchair]

How did the Chinese get the tech for their silkworms?

Harbah is a Navalised Babur-II (WS2)
I know the superficial changes are minute but if it is a NESCOM project then all systems have got to be local or at least sanction proof.

Horus, can you give some evidence for Harba being a babar derivative? It would be duplication of effort and not make sense to have both a locally modified C-602 and an identically similar Babur

 

[Kompromat]

Harba is bigger, its reported range is almost the same as Babur. 700km.

Harba can hit surface to surface and surface to land targets.

Think of Harba as a ship mounted Babur-2

Babur-II hits land to land and land to sea targets.

Zarb is purely a coastal defense system with a shorter range. Land to sea.

Raad too has the capability to target surface vessels.

Horus, can you give some evidence for Harba being a babar derivative? It would be duplication of effort and not make sense to have both a locally modified C-602 and an identically similar Babur

 

[Armchair]

Harba is bigger, its reported range is almost the same as Babur. 700km.

Harba can hit surface to surface and surface to land targets.

Think of Harba as a ship mounted Babur-2

Babur-II hits land to land and land to sea targets.

Zarb is purely a coastal defense system with a shorter range. Land to sea.

Raad too has the capability to target surface vessels.

Hi Horus,

Is it possible to back up what you are saying with sources? It doesn't make logical sense to say a coastal system would be smaller than a system put on an FAC.

 

[Kompromat]

Unfortunately there's no data available publicly. Its just a good hunch on my part which is why i call it a "fan theory".

IMO, Zarb is designed for indigenous production because in a war time, the C-602 rounds will be spent very quickly. It is critical to have the capability to provide more missiles to the Navy. Zarb is meant to do that.

As for the range, i believe that the Navy is looking for multiple systems with different ranges. Its not clear if Babur-WSII will be adopted as a coastal defense system. If it does, then it would provide a longer range option to deter large surface vessels and C-602/Zarb would form another layer of the coastal defense network.

If Babur-WSII is not deployed in this role, then Zarb is all we got.

Hi Horus,

Is it possible to back up what you are saying with sources? It doesn't make logical sense to say a coastal system would be smaller than a system put on an FAC.

 

[Army research]

Unfortunately there's no data available publicly. Its just a good hunch on my part which is why i call it a "fan theory".

IMO, Zarb is designed for indigenous production because in a war time, the C-602 rounds will be spent very quickly. It is critical to have the capability to provide more missiles to the Navy. Zarb is meant to do that.

As for the range, i believe that the Navy is looking for multiple systems with different ranges. Its not clear if Babur-WSII will be adopted as a coastal defense system. If it does, then it would provide a longer range option to deter large surface vessels and C-602/Zarb would form another layer of the coastal defense network.

If Babur-WSII is not deployed in this role, then Zarb is all we got.

I think currently babur would be mainly focused on nuclear deterrence , when enough numbers are produced for nuclear deterrence then babur would be used for conventional roles ,
Just a personal take but the same seems to be the case with Raad,

 

[Kompromat]

Accurate assessment.

I think currently babur would be mainly focused on nuclear deterrence , when enough numbers are produced for nuclear deterrence then babur would be used for conventional roles ,
Just a personal take but the same seems to be the case with Raad,