Sikh, Pathan and Gurkha soldiers in the eyes of Winston S. Churchill

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Read it here
History of Pashtuns: Sikh, Pathan and Gurkha soldiers in the eyes of Winston S. Churchill

(Note: just like lurestan thread of mine, dont draw conclusions about me, this is just read for interest, i dont condemn and condone it, dont ask me stupid questions e.g if i support martial race theorum by posting this material. Just read it as a student and critic of history. Thanks)

 

[RazPaK]

 

[Kataria]

Gurkhas >> Sikhs + Pathans

 

[oFFbEAT]

Fighting for the British was the most shameful part of Indian History..........they considered us inferior and we gave our lives for them.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Gurkhas >> Sikhs + Pathans

Nah pathan mercenaries were better than gurkha and sikh mercenaries. All of them were serving farangi queen but in the same book churchil writes that pathans have very high rates of desertions. That among british officers, pathan soldiers have the reputation of being treacherous, they desert and then join "rebels". Churchil himself disagrees with those officers, he writes that how can we not expect reluctance of pathans to fight against their own people.
Interestingly, majority of the pashtuns who were prominant in war against british, had once served in militias, scouts and army of british. They gained the experience and training, learnt army tactics and then deserted and join the "rebels" i.e freedom fighters

 

[Darth Vader]

Gurkhas >> Sikhs + Pathans

I know Gurkhas are Tough Fighter But You Dont Know What are you talking about Sikh are also good Fighter But No one Can match the hardness of Pathans ( Pak + Afg ) And Even Histroy Shows That Heres a old Saying Famous for Afg
May God keep you away from the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger, and the revenge of the Afghans.

 

[Shahmir]

Read it here
History of Pashtuns: Sikh, Pathan and Gurkha soldiers in the eyes of Winston S. Churchill

(Note: just like lurestan thread of mine, dont draw conclusions about me, this is just read for interest, i dont condemn and condone it, dont ask me stupid questions e.g if i support martial race theorum by posting this material. Just read it as a student and critic of history. Thanks)

There is only mentions of "Afridis" who were supposed to have been dardic language speakers before they adopted pashto language of Abdalis. I don't see any mention of Lohani baniya pashtuns anywhere .

I think these nomenclatures of Pathan and Sikh are misleading here. One must be specific about particular tribes mentioned in the text. Because Churchil was essentially praising only Afridi pashtuns as soldiers. And we all know vast majority of Sikh soldiers were sikh Jatts only, not every tom and dick among sikhs.

 

[Icewolf]

Sikh and Gurkha betrayed their own country and their pride by defecting and being slave to British.

Only Pathan didn't so they win.

 

[Shahmir]

I know Gurkhas are Tough Fighter But You Dont Know What are you talking about Sikh are also good Fighter But No one Can match the hardness of Pathans ( Pak + Afg ) And Even Histroy Shows That Heres a old Saying Famous for Afg
May God keep you away from the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger, and the revenge of the Afghans.

This BS is invented by these races themselves , no one says any such thing about afkoonis in punjab. It is the same BS like the one that Lahoris spread that the one who has not seen lahore is not born, this BS is also unheard of outside Lahore just 100 km away . These kind of BS are invented by many ethnicities about themselves to satisfy their own egos and then ascribed to unknown people in other cultures/ethnicities who don't even know about such BS at all .

 

[rockstar08]

this thread make me laugh
thanks OP ..

 

[Kataria]

This BS is invented by these races themselves , no one says any such thing about afkoonis in punjab. It is the same BS like the one that Lahoris spread that the one who has not seen lahore is not born, this BS is also unheard of outside Lahore just 100 km away . These kind of BS are invented by many ethnicities about themselves to satisfy their own egos and then ascribed to unknown people in other cultures/ethnicities who don't even know about such BS at all .

+100
You are a wise man. Most people in South Asia are like children. They don't understand such things.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

There is only mentions of "Afridis" who were supposed to have been dardic language speakers before they adopted pashto language of Abdalis. I don't see any mention of Lohani baniya pashtuns anywhere .

I think these nomenclatures of Pathan and Sikh are misleading here. One must be specific about particular tribes mentioned in the text. Because Churchil was essentially praising only Afridi pashtuns as soldiers. And we all know vast majority of Sikh soldiers were sikh Jatts only, not every tom and dick among sikhs.

Read this ,History of Pashtuns: Afridis in the eyes of Winston S. Churchill Churcil is saying "Afridis and pathans". Afridis are particularly mentioned because they were in malakhand field force which churchil was part of. He mentions that some Afridis even deserted when they were in bajaur.
British tried their best to recruit afridis on scale of gurkhas and persued them for long but finally they had to give up and rely on rather unimpressive tribes like khattaks.
British didnt recruit marwats. Or perhaps we were not interested in army job. But we did fight against british in last two decades, four of the "emir" of faqir of ipi were marwats and some of the attacks on british were carried out in lakki marwat, the most important being battle of gambila and battle of lakki city.

This BS is invented by these races themselves , no one says any such thing about afkoonis in punjab. It is the same BS like the one that Lahoris spread that the one who has not seen lahore is not born, this BS is also unheard of outside Lahore just 100 km away . These kind of BS are invented by many ethnicities about themselves to satisfy their own egos and then ascribed to unknown people in other cultures/ethnicities who don't even know about such BS at all .

I think it is picked up from Rambo film

 

[Shahmir]

Read this ,History of Pashtuns: Afridis in the eyes of Winston S. Churchill Churcil is saying "Afridis and pathans". Afridis are particularly mentioned because they were in malakhand field force which churchil was part of. He mentions that some Afridis even deserted when they were in bajaur.
British tried their best to recruit afridis on scale of gurkhas and persued them for long but finally they had to give up and rely on rather unimpressive tribes like khattaks.
British didnt recruit marwats. Or perhaps we were not interested in army job. But we did fight against british in last two decades, four of the "emir" of faqir of ipi were marwats and some of the attacks on british were carried out in lakki marwat, the most important being battle of gambila and battle of lakki city.

Nevertheless it seems that it was mostly Afridi pathans who got the maximum "media coverage" from the british compared to any other pathan tribe, there has to be some reason behind it.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Nevertheless it seems that it was mostly Afridi pathans who got the maximum "media coverage" from the british compared to any other pathan tribe, there has to be some reason behind it.

Afridis are more unruly and better fighters, one of the reason they got special attention was their location, they are adjacent to peshawer and control famous khyber pass. Afridis have attacked peshawer numerous times. Even in 1930s, when khudai khidmatgars were butchered by british, they came down from hills in numbers and created havoc in peshawer cantt, british reinforcements were too late to arrive.

 

[Screambowl]

gurkha, garhwali , dogri. nagas only they survive the toughest. their performance doubles when they are at plains as they get more air to breath and at heights the enemy's performance is halved. Even Chinese built oxygen chambers for their soldiers but our boys are raw and born and brought up there.