Should US consider China Monroe Doctrine

[TaiShang]

China can fire missile at US spy plane P8 then US will declare war on China. There is not a creditable threat from China can military attack mainland US. The west already won the ideology against China, was not China abandon communism and adapt capitalism from the west?

Both communism and capitalism are Western ideologies, in a loose sense of the word since throughout the Chinese history, various forms of communism and capitalism (and Heavens knows how many other isms) have been practiced in China.

The essence of China's ideology is that its organic (I would say that in the sense of Critical Philosophy), hence, it is adaptive and capable of incremental change (dialectical and praxeological). Hence the reason you have, in China's modern history, an ever changing ideological basis. Naming this or that way of governance "Western" is not reflective of reality. The truth is that China strives to adopt whatever the times call for, as time changes, so our ideologies, or, the way we see things.

There is no winning in this process, as it is a process, although there might be losers. The gist of the matter for China is to remain independent in making decisions -- not letting to be imposed upon. As long as China keeps deciding what is good and what is bad for itself, it does not matter today's economic policies resemble to the West or not. because, when times require so, China will not hesitate to discard the old order to be replaced by the new.

In this sense, I see China to be a more organic model whereas the West is rigid. Western imperialism is rooted in this ideological rigidification, in fact. When you can't think of the possibility of a better way (end of history/ideology?), you start to impose it upon the others and at times sincerely in a messianic way -- although it may bring countless pains to the educated barbarians.

 

[xunzi]

Deng Shoaping realized without open up to economy reform, Chinese would continue to suffer stricken poverty, you think the west retard to move their industrial over to China then pay Chinese with US minimum wage plus benefit?

That is one the biggest misconception that the West bring theri industrial production over to China with US minimum wage + benefit. I almost crack my mouth and spill water out of my nose after reading that sentence. LOL What a joke, especially with the US minimum wage. LOL . Truth is Deng opened up China up for global trading and at that time, we were poor and seek a buyer market for our resources and investing in our labor. HK and Taiwan were the two biggest investors with Japan and South Korea in close 3rd/4th. The West contributed minimally. What the West did, however, was open up their market up to absorb our production goods and that in turn led to the position we are currently in with huge surplus. But the opening of market is mutually beneficial for the West as they were looking for cheap labor to rack in huge profit for their corporate expansion. This is why the West always want to open China up for trading. There is no such thing as helping on country out of sympathy. If you can, why don't you do that to Africa?

 

[TaiShang]

There is no such thing as helping on country out of sympathy. If you can, why don't you do that to Africa?

Very good question and we like to hear the response to that.

 

[cnleio]

This is why the West always want to open China up for trading. There is no such thing as helping on country out of sympathy. If you can, why don't you do that to Africa?

LOL u get the point, good question !

West capitalism pursuing MONEY, it's the universal truth. Even they came to China.

 

[C130]

time has changed since then.
south and central america was our backyard.
east/south asian is China's backyard.

 

[Zsari]

time has changed since then.
south and central america was our backyard.
east/south asian is China's backyard.

Time may have changed, the international order however still remains to be anarchistic.

 

[sincity]

That is one the biggest misconception that the West bring theri industrial production over to China with US minimum wage + benefit. I almost crack my mouth and spill water out of my nose after reading that sentence. LOL What a joke, especially with the US minimum wage. LOL . Truth is Deng opened up China up for global trading and at that time, we were poor and seek a buyer market for our resources and investing in our labor. HK and Taiwan were the two biggest investors with Japan and South Korea in close 3rd/4th. The West contributed minimally. What the West did, however, was open up their market up to absorb our production goods and that in turn led to the position we are currently in with huge surplus. But the opening of market is mutually beneficial for the West as they were looking for cheap labor to rack in huge profit for their corporate expansion. This is why the West always want to open China up for trading. There is no such thing as helping on country out of sympathy. If you can, why don't you do that to Africa?

Since China dirt poor and rival and enemy to the west, how do you expect the west to open up trade and move their company over to China and provide job to the Chinese? You laugh because your retard assumption the west need China to build up their economy, without China the west maintain the richest nations on this planet, before 1979 normalized relationship with the west, China annual GDP rank last in this world, before the west lift the economy sanction on China. Taiwan, Hong Kong, S.korea, Japan never allow to trade with China without the agreement from their allies US and E.U. China stick with Mao Communist policy and commit to the isolationist, China and Chinese much worse than the Indian right now. When China and Chinese were poor and desperate for job, you in no position to demand higher wage from the west company moved their production over to China.

 

[Zsari]

Still, Washington should not summarily dismiss the Monroe Doctrine model as a basis for U.S. policy toward China in the coming decades. Given Beijing's rapidly rising economic and military clout, it will become difficult, perhaps prohibitively so, for Washington to maintain U.S. hegemony in a region thousands of miles distant from the American homeland.

Positive development in that US is starting to discuss a Chinese Monroe Doctrine. But ultimately, the ability to enforce that doctrine depends on the strength of China, not the goodwill of others.

 

[xunzi]

Since China dirt poor and rival and enemy to the west, how do you expect the west to open up trade and move their company over to China and provide job to the Chinese? You laugh because your retard assumption the west need China to build up their economy, without China the west maintain the richest nations on this planet, before 1979 normalized relationship with the west, China annual GDP rank last in this world, before the west lift the economy sanction on China. Taiwan, Hong Kong, S.korea, Japan never allow to trade with China without the agreement from their allies US and E.U. China stick with Mao Communist policy and commit to the isolationist, China and Chinese much worse than the Indian right now. When China and Chinese were poor and desperate for job, you in no position to demand higher wage from the west company moved their production over to China.

I want to remind you that the United States GDP per capital in 1979 was $11,000 and today it is over $50,000, so tell me is your assumption that the West gain no benefit doing trade with us? You tell me the West didn't get rich by doing trade with us? Are you joking with me RIGHT NOW? LOL

Listen my friend. It is a mutual beneficial relationship. I don't think I stress this "win-win" situation enough to you. You MUST understand that in the capitalist system, everyone is exploiting each other. You exploit our cheap resources while we exploit your market and expertise. It is a win-win situation. You get richer and richer evidence by over 5x GDP per capital since trading with us. We also get richer by trading with you. Again, nobody aid us for free. There is no free lunch.

 

[cnleio]

Remember Mao starved 30 million Chinese to dead? Whatever US cooperation paid the Chinese still 100x higher what Mao paid Chinese peasants. You stated US exploited Chinese for slave wage and consider Mao paid Chinese worker a bowl of rice for a day of hard labor, you should be graceful the west came rescued the Chinese and lead Chinese to prosperity. Do you adjust the currency rate in1979 to 2014? A gallon of gas was 50 cent in 1978, 11000$ is probably 25000$ in today money.

Does American consider they play the GOD in China ?!

Demographics of China

Historical population of China:
Census / Pop / %±
1953 / 582,603,417 / —
1964 / 694,581,759 / 19.2% <=== Mao starved 30 million Chinese to dead? No Brain
1982 / 1,008,175,288 / 45.1%
1990 / 1,133,682,501 / 12.4%
2000 / 1,265,830,000 / 1.7%
2010 / 1,339,724,852 / 5.8%