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Investment in large armed forces serves three objectives:-

1. Deterrence
2. Expansion either politically or geographically
3. Internal Security

China - It used it's enormous investment in it's defense Industries to expand geographically by claiming and holding on to large territories in SCS and elsewhere occasionally successfully.

Russia - Did it to expand into Ukraine and Georgia

USA - It has been consistently furthering it's Eco-geo-political objectives in ME and Asia on the back of it's armed forces since it's inception in one form or other

Europe - Mainly concerned with internal security and Deterrence hence we see investment going down.

Gulf/KSA/UAE - We saw expansionist mind set in Yemen which has since been scaled back after losses

Coming to India - Can we justify investments just on the basis of deterrence which can be achieved non conventionally? Or should we take baby steps so that the cost of training, risk of expiry of platforms and consumables without usage, salaries etc which are inevitable in such a large armed forces do not form just a sunk portion of our budget with no returns? Or can we utilize it to expand our geo-political foot prints in the region. Not straight out territorial gains but to perhaps support and further the regimes favorable to us.

Pakistan - Perhaps has gained maximum bang for the buck though not w/o blow back. Afghanistan and Kashmir are the two prime examples of them using their armed forces to successfully contest and contain a much larger adversary. Presence in Gulf on the other hand has given them considerable economic dividends.

@PARIKRAMA
 
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Investment in large armed forces serves three objectives:-

1. Deterrence
2. Expansion either politically or geographically
3. Internal Security

China - It used it's enormous investment in it's defense Industries to expand geographically by claiming and holding on to large territories in SCS and elsewhere occasionally successfully.

Russia - Did it to expand into Ukraine and Georgia

USA - It has been consistently furthering it's Eco-geo-political objectives in ME and Asia on the back of it's armed forces since it's inception in one form or other

Europe - Mainly concerned with internal security and Deterrence hence we see investment going down.

Gulf/KSA/UAE - We saw expansionist mind set in Yemen which has since been scaled back after losses

Coming to India - Can we justify investments just on the basis of deterrence which can be achieved non conventionally? Or should we take baby steps so that the cost of training, risk of expiry of platforms and consumables without usage, salaries etc which are inevitable in such a large armed forces do not form just a sunk portion of our budget with no returns? Or can we utilize it to expand our geo-political foot prints in the region. Not straight out territorial gains but to perhaps support and further the regimes favorable to us.

Pakistan - Perhaps has gained maximum bang for the buck though not w/o block back. Afghanistan and Kashmir are the two prime examples of them using their armed forces to successfully contest and contain a much larger adversary. Presence in Gulf on the other hand has given them considerable economic dividends.

@PARIKRAMA


NO. But the one with large military industrial complex should.

If you have a big MIC, wars are good for you as it generates economic activity and employment for your citizens, allows for testing of new weapons, and dumps about to expire ordinance onto battlefield. Wars brings in money and lead to improvement in tactics and technology ,irrespective of whether you win or lose, if you have a robust MIC. Any win is more of a bonus from that point.

Just having a large army which is depending on foreign supplies is not enough, and example of Pakistan is not a very good one. Pakistan is a 'kiray ka tattu' and is treated as such by Arabs, while US ,Russia ,and to some extent China are respected due to their strength ,because its projection is organic and dependent on overall development rather than willingness to fight others war as mercenaries.
 
@Spectre
A very good topic for discussion. Perhaps a bit of a long post from my side. Please bear with me on this and correct me if i am wrong.

History is sometimes blamed for many decisions.. In our case also something are of historical significance and yet with changing times we have not adapted much out of it. Its timelines which decided such a force size with obvious attempts to justify the "need" for such numbers.

Historically, In the second world war time, there was a rough estimate that total army size was 2.5 Million and demobilization started to prune down the size. Field Marshal Claude Auchinleck had recommended the following force structure for the armed forces of independent India’s:
  • A 200,000 strong army of some 10 divisions, devoted primarily to internal security;
  • A 20 squadron air force;
  • A navy of 69 capital ships. This was to be structured around two aircraft carrier forces which i had covered in one of the threads lost during March April 2016 downtime.
The situations just after the independence right from Union of India and assimilation of certain territories along with lack of financial clout, economic prosperity made us lose focus on IAF and IN big time. The J&K issue right after independence started to focus our acute vision on Indian Army and its number started to move up with time progressing. The size was justified with every new threat we met afterwards.

Jump to 1962 and post that due to the challenges we faced, it was decided that IA will be 25 divisions from 10 divisions with 8 division added to the China front and shifting of Eastern command center from Lucknow to Kolkata. This increase in size helped us in 1965 and 1971 and suddenly we figured that a larger division numbers work wonderfully for us.

Enter the 80s and we were seeing the Afghanistan scenario and India also changed a bit with 3 armored division and added rapid division for credible deterrence angle against our western neighbor. At the time of Operation Blue Star, and later, the diversion of our strategic reserves to Sri Lanka; the need had been felt for a six division sized force for internal security tasks. So we upsized again.

1989 was again a turning point.. It was the end of Afghanistan crisis and Pakistan was no more in two front wars.. It was able to deploy all towards its eastern neighbor. This was a big blow to Indian forces number as technically the deploy able numbers in border areas and at the start of any military conflict was very much comparable for both the countries. again the planners emphasised on numbers but could not do much as were facing economic issues.

Early 90s the economic revolution by MMS started and 1998 we went nuclear followed by 1999 Kargil. Post Kargil Review Military leadership and access and command changed a lot and 30 additional Battalions of RR was raised among other changes in manpower.. In a short time before a major change could come, out came a new strategy called Cold Start and it resulted in creation of the South-Western Command and a minor rejig with dividing certain divisions and allocating mobilized division to western command.

In the time that followed, People like Gen J J Singh kind of clearly showed that we are over reliant on J&K and Western border security only and over time post 1962 have neglected Eastern border. So a reorientation happened with some divisions moved out of J&K and finishing of counter insurgency ops in Mizoram, Tripura and Nagaland all towards India China Border. Also 2 additional division were raised to supplement such deployments. The realistic demand portrayed was need of 2 mountain strike corps for our Himalayan borders and out came creation of MSC.

So mota moti or in a nutshell with every grave situation we faced as a country, we increased the IA numbers and presented ourselves with a credible solution that now with more boots we are completely safe and in future the past adventures wont ever get repeated.

But the fact is our whole modernization lacks
  • political will and support
  • guidance
  • proper planning and thus is haphazard
  • strategic changes
  • organisational changes
  • budgetary considerations
  • evolving time wise technological considerations
In reality with the real threats that we face we as a country Technological substitution for Manpower should have been considered properly.
  1. But this idea was not given much weight age as during Kargil it was observed that hastily planned downsizing just before Kargil caused us to be in Back foot (refer Mule and Pioneer) and we in knee jerk raised more divisions. (Refer RR expansion and new additions)
  2. Proxy war, Terrorism, insurgencies and extremism in certain portions of the country kept a continuous need of boots instead of technology as well.
  3. End result we still maintain a mammoth 1.1 Million force and we justify the need of it.
  4. We dont showcase that each soldier is not modernized or properly equipped as per changing times (pls refer Bullet Proof Jacket as a case in example of basic things not there) but justify we still need a large forces size.
So the point being made was equip technologically certain sections of this large armed forces / key units/formations so that they can act as specific units of excellence. This was touted a s multi tier system in forces and we can justify the million plus army size. This is irrespective of our changing /evolving global position or threat scenarios or scope of technology absorption like Israeli Solution of Border Management which may help us reduce the boots needed on the ground. We still follow our old grand schemes of yesteryears and are hampered that isues plaguing our Countries National security have not reduced thereby providing no chance of a political will to discuss such pruning with armed forces.

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In simple words History and historical events are dictating the size and we as a country still believe more from boots on the field aspect. Probably this is also supported by a growing economy which does not allow a 3%-4% kind of Military spending in terms of GDP bcz technology is always costly and manpower is cheap (of course now with salaries, training cost and One Rank One Pension may change the dimension based on outflows).

The Islands of Excellence concept where we equip very well technological advancements to certain units is a flawed concept again. Of course we justify multi tier technological absorption again due to budgetary consideration as well.

Lastly Forces all through have been a very respectable and descent form of employment for youths of our country. with a growing young population and a limited employment scope and benefit in other sections of the industry, the forces service will always be tempting (beyond patriotic point). The economic prosperity and scope of employment options are also needed to help provide alternative career options for our youths as well.

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I am tagging few more ppl who i am sure can provide interesting perspectives
@Abingdonboy @hellfire @Joe Shearer @third eye @MilSpec @anant_s @Omega007 @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @scorpionx and others

and thanks for the tag Spectre.

In case i am wrong in some perspective, pls do bear with me and correct me on that as i tried pointing things in very very brief manner.
 
@PARIKRAMA

Thanks for establishing the context.

We have large scale aggression by China/Pakistan contained by Nuclear Deterrent.

Incursions can be dealt with by -

Preventive measures like intelligence outposts and regular patrolling by BSF and Army
Large section of army based in fwd bases.

This begs the question -

Are we extracting any strategic gains from the presence of aircrafts, navy, armor outside of deterrence?

My point is not that we should use them and bombard others senselessly but we have seen how agressive positioning and posturing can yield dividends.

Say we can move couple divisions to XYZ from UP or MP. If that is too much then how about couple of companies as "advisers/trainers"? How about one squadron for air support?

Cost of such maneuvers is small but benefits are manifold

- Could provide much needed A2G experience to our Air-force outside of practice sorties. Last they were used was in Kargil.
- Could be used to expend ageing ammunition like US did GW
- Officers as advisers can test the efficacy of their tactics on how to deal with large scale armed insurgencies/armies
- If we are a part of coalition then it further pays dividends in training. I know we are at the middle of the stack when it comes to certain aspects of Modern Warfare. This would be good idea to correct our limitations/flaws in low risk foreign environment instead of getting surprises like in Kargil/65

Can you unequivocally say that we can't spare this much?

That will be a grievous error. Just what we did in 62. Either move in troops ready to fight a war, right away, or stay peaceful until we are ready to fight a war.

Nah! I wont touch China or Pakistan with a 10" feet long pole.

But what stops India from providing air support to ANA to kill some talis? You do know it is imperative that not only Afghan Govt survives but consolidates and expands to protect Indian investments. You also know that it better to fight them in Afghanistan than in Kashmir. You also know that we will gain immense goodwill & achieve tangible dividends from Iran and US along with logistical support. All this not for IPKF like venture which was doomed because they were fighting against Tamils hence had negative connotations for internal audience as well leading to sabotage and worse but to fight those who are our "natural enemies"
 
++ Security of maritime assets.

I think these three would be true in case of India

clubbed under internal security. For eg - protecting embassy of GoI in Pakistan would still qualify as internal security so will protecting maritime assets like EEZs, coastlines, trade routes, rigs etc.
 
Investment in large armed forces serves three objectives:-

1. Deterrence
2. Expansion either politically or geographically
3. Internal Security

China - It used it's enormous investment in it's defense Industries to expand geographically by claiming and holding on to large territories in SCS and elsewhere occasionally successfully.

Russia - Did it to expand into Ukraine and Georgia

USA - It has been consistently furthering it's Eco-geo-political objectives in ME and Asia on the back of it's armed forces since it's inception in one form or other

Europe - Mainly concerned with internal security and Deterrence hence we see investment going down.

Gulf/KSA/UAE - We saw expansionist mind set in Yemen which has since been scaled back after losses

Coming to India - Can we justify investments just on the basis of deterrence which can be achieved non conventionally? Or should we take baby steps so that the cost of training, risk of expiry of platforms and consumables without usage, salaries etc which are inevitable in such a large armed forces do not form just a sunk portion of our budget with no returns? Or can we utilize it to expand our geo-political foot prints in the region. Not straight out territorial gains but to perhaps support and further the regimes favorable to us.

Pakistan - Perhaps has gained maximum bang for the buck though not w/o block back. Afghanistan and Kashmir are the two prime examples of them using their armed forces to successfully contest and contain a much larger adversary. Presence in Gulf on the other hand has given them considerable economic dividends.

@PARIKRAMA
Yes because if you do not fight, other will fight with you.
 
Are we extracting any strategic gains from the presence of aircrafts, navy, armor outside of deterrence?

My point is not that we should use them and bombard others senselessly but we have seen how agressive positioning and posturing can yield dividends.

Say we can move couple divisions to XYZ from UP or MP. If that is too much then how about couple of companies as "advisers/trainers"? How about one squadron for air support?

Cost of such maneuvers is small but benefits are manifold

- Could provide much needed A2G experience to our Air-force outside of practice sorties. Last they were used was in Kargil.
- Could be used to expend ageing ammunition like US did GW
- Officers as advisers can test the efficacy of their tactics on how to deal with large scale armed insurgencies/armies
- If we are a part of coalition then it further pays dividends in training. I know we are at the middle of the stack when it comes to certain aspects of Modern Warfare. This would be good idea to correct our limitations/flaws in low risk foreign environment instead of getting surprises like in Kargil/65

Can you unequivocally say that we can't spare this much?

The most critical component of modern military power is undisputedly air power. Instead of enhancing our airpower, our air force is perilously down from the sanctioned strength. We as country are plagued by a fleet of old aircrafts and modernization plans which are slow. The grim reminders of acquisition like MMRCA to delay in LCA program to helos fleet are already there.

The tragedy is our continual dependence on imports and a dismal failure so far, to create a viable MIC in the private sector that can turn out quality products, that are state of the art. Our dependency on imports to supplement our fleet requirement has been at the cost of indigenous capabilities and reflects a level of geo-political weakness.

I will quote here GD Bakshi's words

Any future conflict on the Indian subcontinent will, in all probability result from the ongoing low intensity conflict in J&K (or its jihadi derivatives in the rest of India); or the unresolved boundary dispute with China and it will be a land conflict. Air power alone, however, can pave way for victory in such conflicts. Innovative strategies in land conflicts will require
India to exploit the operational manoeuvre from the sea. Viable marine force landings on the Gwadar- Karachi coast can force Pakistan to face a two-front situation and disperse its forces. In a land war with China, the Indian navy can raise costs for China by interdicting its SLOCs through the Strait of Malacca. We need a three carrier navy with a significant marine landing capability and a sea based nuclear triad. Only thus, can we fully exploit India’s huge locational advantage astride the Chinese SLOCs.


and

  • By major accretions in air power and transparency. Air power helps to strike deep and in a devastating manner and transparency revolution such as in satellites, AWACS, UAVs etc helps to look deep within the enemy territory
  • By developing “Over the Hump” air Assault capabilities that can be used across the Himalayas, in J&K and also for regional power projection.
  • By using its navy to project power along the coastline to support air-land offensives. This translates into a viable marine capability of one to two divisions that is based on amphibious tanks/ICVs that can rapidly project power ashore in concert with major land offensives in the desert sector.
  • India needs to generate over the horizon (OTH) beach assault capabilities using helicopters and hover crafts (Air Cushion Vehicles). India must exploit the sea flank in any future conflict.

- Restructuring the armed forces by Major General G D Bakshi (2011)


I for one will infact love to see a proper 5 CBG formation and placement of CBGs in different spheres of IOR. Like one in Seychelles - - Iran route, One in Andaman to Vietnam route. One in Arabian Sea and One in Bay of Bengal. but having such needs of power projection is cost intensive as well.

A cheaper but really good way can be using Rashtriya Rifles and deploying them in Afghanistan. They are tailor made folks for Counter Insurgency and Counter Terrorism ops. Also deploy them in Naxalite zones for irregular warfare experience. Deploy such battalions near Myanmar border and see how they take out NSCNs.

A CAS mission by IAF for Afghanistan bound RRs providing Laser designation for MKI and Jags bombarding would have been awesome. Send in a small flotilla of just 6-8 aircrafts + helos to be stationed in Afghanistan. Heck better send Tejas there for getting best exposure.. and the experience we gain is mind boggling. Deploy Akash SAM and lets do some precision guided bombings at such locations for helping Afghanistan and we do a big force projections..

The annual live fire exercise is actually more of a demonstration.. Lets do it in Afghanistan for Afghanistan and our force projection will change overnight..

But be ready for repercussions as well..
 
@PARIKRAMA


Are we extracting any strategic gains from the presence of aircrafts, navy, armor outside of deterrence?

My point is not that we should use them and bombard others senselessly but we have seen how agressive positioning and posturing can yield dividends.

Say we can move couple divisions to XYZ from UP or MP. If that is too much then how about couple of companies as "advisers/trainers"? How about one squadron for air support?

This, I don't see why we can't send a squadron of Su-30 to Afghanistan, along with enough troops and armor to secure the base from hostile elements.
 
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The most critical component of modern military power is undisputedly air power. Instead of enhancing our airpower, our air force is perilously down from the sanctioned strength. We as country are plagued by a fleet of old aircrafts and modernization plans which are slow. The grim reminders of acquisition like MMRCA to delay in LCA program to helos fleet are already there.

The tragedy is our continual dependence on imports and a dismal failure so far, to create a viable MIC in the private sector that can turn out quality products, that are state of the art. Our dependency on imports to supplement our fleet requirement has been at the cost of indigenous capabilities and reflects a level of geo-political weakness.

I will quote here GD Bakshi's words

Any future conflict on the Indian subcontinent will, in all probability result from the ongoing low intensity conflict in J&K (or its jihadi derivatives in the rest of India); or the unresolved boundary dispute with China and it will be a land conflict. Air power alone, however, can pave way for victory in such conflicts. Innovative strategies in land conflicts will require
India to exploit the operational manoeuvre from the sea. Viable marine force landings on the Gwadar- Karachi coast can force Pakistan to face a two-front situation and disperse its forces. In a land war with China, the Indian navy can raise costs for China by interdicting its SLOCs through the Strait of Malacca. We need a three carrier navy with a significant marine landing capability and a sea based nuclear triad. Only thus, can we fully exploit India’s huge locational advantage astride the Chinese SLOCs.


and




    • By major accretions in air power and transparency. Air power helps to strike deep and in a devastating manner and transparency revolution such as in satellites, AWACS, UAVs etc helps to look deep within the enemy territory
    • By developing “Over the Hump” air Assault capabilities that can be used across the Himalayas, in J&K and also for regional power projection.
    • By using its navy to project power along the coastline to support air-land offensives. This translates into a viable marine capability of one to two divisions that is based on amphibious tanks/ICVs that can rapidly project power ashore in concert with major land offensives in the desert sector.
    • India needs to generate over the horizon (OTH) beach assault capabilities using helicopters and hover crafts (Air Cushion Vehicles). India must exploit the sea flank in any future conflict.

- Restructuring the armed forces by Major General G D Bakshi (2011)


I for one will infact love to see a proper 5 CBG formation and placement of CBGs in different spheres of IOR. Like one in Seychelles - - Iran route, One in Andaman to Vietnam route. One in Arabian Sea and One in Bay of Bengal. but having such needs of power projection is cost intensive as well.

A cheaper but really good way can be using Rashtriya Rifles and deploying them in Afghanistan. They are tailor made folks for Counter Insurgency and Counter Terrorism ops. Also deploy them in Naxalite zones for irregular warfare experience. Deploy such battalions near Myanmar border and see how they take out NSCNs.

A CAS mission by IAF for Afghanistan bound RRs providing Laser designation for MKI and Jags bombarding would have been awesome. Send in a small flotilla of just 6-8 aircrafts + helos to be stationed in Afghanistan. Heck better send Tejas there for getting best exposure.. and the experience we gain is mind boggling. Deploy Akash SAM and lets do some precision guided bombings at such locations for helping Afghanistan and we do a big force projections..

The annual live fire exercise is actually more of a demonstration.. Lets do it in Afghanistan for Afghanistan and our force projection will change overnight..

But be ready for repercussions as well..

Two points

- They dont need to be based in Afghan. That is the beauty of Afghanistan. There are neighboring countries who are friendly to us which would provide us bases.

- Repercussions of not doing it is that we face them in Kashmir - next decade or so. Better to fight them and kill them in their homes. If some survive, they would be busy fighting ANA and IA

@Roybot - We can use Iran as a base. Russia is doing so for Syria, Iranians are against Talis so why not?
 
Investment in large armed forces serves three objectives:-

1. Deterrence
2. Expansion either politically or geographically
3. Internal Security

China - It used it's enormous investment in it's defense Industries to expand geographically by claiming and holding on to large territories in SCS and elsewhere occasionally successfully.

Russia - Did it to expand into Ukraine and Georgia

USA - It has been consistently furthering it's Eco-geo-political objectives in ME and Asia on the back of it's armed forces since it's inception in one form or other

Europe - Mainly concerned with internal security and Deterrence hence we see investment going down.

Gulf/KSA/UAE - We saw expansionist mind set in Yemen which has since been scaled back after losses

Coming to India - Can we justify investments just on the basis of deterrence which can be achieved non conventionally? Or should we take baby steps so that the cost of training, risk of expiry of platforms and consumables without usage, salaries etc which are inevitable in such a large armed forces do not form just a sunk portion of our budget with no returns? Or can we utilize it to expand our geo-political foot prints in the region. Not straight out territorial gains but to perhaps support and further the regimes favorable to us.

Pakistan - Perhaps has gained maximum bang for the buck though not w/o block back. Afghanistan and Kashmir are the two prime examples of them using their armed forces to successfully contest and contain a much larger adversary. Presence in Gulf on the other hand has given them considerable economic dividends.

@PARIKRAMA
with all due respect
the objectives of different countries have amused me as you stated
China, US ,Russia are no doubt want strategic expansion
Judgin from current developments
India is no longer in deterrent category
you see India is in expansionism(strategic)
seychelles and multiple listening bases
well that is my take
not sure what you described about Pakistan
but Afghanistan surely is an example of Pakistan's asymmetric capabilities
about Kashmir it is debatable
coming to the topic
the concept of war right now is completely different than it was three decades ago if not a decade ago
you see Russian Army did not participated in Ukraine
but the the concept of warfare again changed in Syria
so it all depends on what is your objective and aims
economy , Proxy and most of all
Enemy of my Enemy
getting the picture????
now for deterrence
India dont need nuclear deterrence if they are taking Pakistan
talking about china they are more than needed
coming to Pakistan
for Pakistan it is way more expensive to need create nukes
now if they should invest?
every country must have a strong enough force to protect themselves if you have enemies or not
if today anyone wants a base in Iceland
i am not sure they can say no
they also must have a strong MIC to provide for their Army but watching Soviet movie
the MIC must not be very big that it becomes a liability
NOW russia and Israel are somehow in Indian pocket just because they have grown their MIC more than they need and now want a customer base
it clarifies my opinion
Just having a large army which is depending on foreign supplies is not enough, and example of Pakistan is not a very good one. Pakistan is a 'kiray ka tattu' and is treated as such by Arabs, while US ,Russia ,and to some extent China are respected due to their strength ,because its projection is organic and dependent on overall development rather than willingness to fight others war as mercenaries
dont know if you are trolling or actually stupid
Pakistan did what was in their best interest
Pakistan created Nuke on US aid???
right under the largest and most expensive espionage network
Israel recieves biggest Military aid
are they dependent on it???
 
Two points

- They dont need to be based in Afghan. That is the beauty of Afghanistan. There are neighboring countries who are friendly to us which would provide us bases.

- Repercussions of not doing it is that we face them in Kashmir - next decade or so. Better to fight them and kill them in their homes. If some survive, they would be busy fighting ANA and IA

@Roybot - We can use Iran as a base. Russia is doing so for Syria, Iranians are against Talis so why not?

  • political will and support
  • guidance
  • proper planning and thus is haphazard


Its a question of political will of course.. Consider if PM NaMo says lets do it and green lights this ops.. We get a base somewhere either inside or outside Afghanistan start the mission. Of course Afghanistan and USA will be very happy with our new found mojo.

Heck from Iran we can go and bomb ISIS in Syria too and will get Russia and USA all to be very happy that we also joined in ..

Now consider the other face of India. What will political parties especially opposition talk and comment.. There would be dharnas, parliament no work, day and night protests saying we have joined USA alliance and we are killing innocents (be it ISIS or Taliban).. A section of political parties will say this will lead to strikes from ISIS and Talibans who have not attacked India or harmed India so far. People will quote and say Osama Bin laden never harmed India.

I am not demeaning any side but you see we are a hypocrit country. Even though pro outweighs the cons we still will play safe bcz stupid reasonings will be cited to not have the political will and support such actions..
 
Say we can move couple divisions to XYZ from UP or MP. If that is too much then how about couple of companies as "advisers/trainers"? How about one squadron for air support?
if you are talking about Afghanistan
you should read about Ayni and Farkhor airbases in tajikistan
 
Two points

- They dont need to be based in Afghan. That is the beauty of Afghanistan. There are neighboring countries who are friendly to us which would provide us bases.

- Repercussions of not doing it is that we face them in Kashmir - next decade or so. Better to fight them and kill them in their homes. If some survive, they would be busy fighting ANA and IA

@Roybot - We can use Iran as a base. Russia is doing so for Syria, Iranians are against Talis so why not?

Why Iran, when we can make use of bases in Afghanistan?

Come to think of it, I wonder if this was the whole reason for India signing the LEMO with the Americans! Indian military can now use US bases around the world, which includes the Bagram Air base if am not wrong. With a friendly government in Kabul, this shouldn't be a problem at all.

@PARIKRAMA
 
Its a question of political will of course.. Consider if PM NaMo says lets do it and green lights this ops.. We get a base somewhere either inside or outside Afghanistan start the mission. Of course Afghanistan and USA will be very happy with our new found mojo.

Heck from Iran we can go and bomb ISIS in Syria too and will get Russia and USA all to be very happy that we also joined in ..

Now consider the other face of India. What will political parties especially opposition talk and comment.. There would be dharnas, parliament no work, day and night protests saying we have joined USA alliance and we are killing innocents (be it ISIS or Taliban).. A section of political parties will say this will lead to strikes from ISIS and Talibans who have not attacked India or harmed India so far. People will quote and say Osama Bin laden never harmed India.

I am not demeaning any side but you see we are a hypocrit country. Even though pro outweighs the cons we still will play safe bcz stupid reasonings will be cited to not have the political will and support such actions..

You touched one aspect. And yes, it will have political opposition but that will fall off as public rallies behind..

Other is timidity - institutional cowardice. @Joe Shearer hinted at it but later retracted his post.

As a nation we suffer from old wounds which have perhaps healed superficially but still ache when we try to run..
 
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