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Should Blasphemy Laws be banned?

Should Blasphemy laws be abolished?

  • Yes. They carry no relevance to Faith.

    Votes: 23 59.0%
  • No.

    Votes: 13 33.3%
  • Not completely outlawed

    Votes: 2 5.1%
  • I don't know.

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • Total voters
    39

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I've done a poll. Will be interested to see the outcome.

As I understand Blasphemy laws exist and sometimes they can blind justice due to emotional empowerment of a belief/ideology. There have been instances where incidents have been proven otherwise and injustice has been wrongly served to those who did not commit such offences nor deserved it. Resulting to a loss of lives for those who have supported their stance. It can get messy.

One isn't suggesting that it's okay for people to mouth off whatever they want or that by ridding will create a portal for the ignorant nor should it be 'okayfied' to disrespect sacred values. But I'm highlighting issues that can be wrongly labelled under the banner of 'blasphemy laws' and is abused due to lack of biased investigations.

If not completely outlawed there should be appropriate, non-biased investigations without influence of personal interests.

This is a practice that hasn't been derived directly from the belief of a Faith.

I'm not going into how Pakistan is the only one to implement blasphemy laws in the Country because it's not. There are many Countries alongside, therefore it isn't just a ''Pakistani' issue.
 
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I've done a poll. Will be interested to see the outcome.

As I understand Blasphemy laws exist and sometimes they can blind justice due to emotional empowerment of a belief/ideology. There have been instances where incidents have been proven otherwise and injustice has been wrongly served to those who did not commit such offences nor deserved it. Resulting to a loss of lives for those who have supported their stance. It can get messy.

One isn't suggesting that it's okay for people to mouth off whatever they want or that by ridding will create a portal for the ignorant nor should it be 'okayfied' to disrespect sacred values. But I'm highlighting issues that can be wrongly labelled under the banner of 'blasphemy laws' and is abused due to lack of biased investigations.
If not completely outlawed there should be appropriate, non-biased investigations without influence of personal interests.

This is a practice that hasn't been derived directly from the belief of a Faith.

I'm not going into how Pakistan is the only one to implement blasphemy laws in the Country because it's not. There are many Countries alongside, therefore this isn't just a ''Pakistani' issue.
every one who support the blasphemy law just remember the taif incident how Muhammad SAW reacted when jibraiel asked for his permission to crush the whole valley between two mountains.instead of granting him the permission he did a dua for those guys and their children so they could find the right path.
if he could forgive the guys who stoned him till his shoes were filled with his own blood how can we kill some one in his name.
 
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every one who support the blasphemy law just remember the taif incident how Muhammad SAW reacted when jibraiel asked for his permission to crush the whole valley between two mountains.instead of granting him the permission he did a dua for those guys and their children so they could find the right path.
if he could forgive the guys who stoned him till his shoes were filled with his own blood how can we kill some one in his name.





Agreed :tup: 100 percent
 
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It depends on the society and cultural back ground of each nation. There is no definite answer to such kind of serious question. In the internet and PDF many people can say, you do not want it...But in reality, it will be influenced heavily by the sentiment of the people on the ground.
 
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The lead so far is no. I have people who have suggested it should reasoning why. I'd be interested to see for those who say 'no' give their reasons too.
 
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...The blasphemy law is UN_ISLAMIC.
Totally un-islamic. All we have to do is imagine what Prophet himself would have done if someone insulted him on his face. And we have examples of such cases as I mentioned in my old posts (copied below - these were responses to some posts so please ignore the reference "you" etc) :
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The Quran and sunnah-of-prophet do not speak about any worldy punishment for blasphemy... This is invention of others. Quran & Prophet himself NEVER hurt anyone for insulting him or quran.
Whom do we want to follow; ALLAH's orders, Prophet's sunnah -or- inventions of others leaving aside two of them!!!



A simple way to follow is to figure out how Prophet himself would have behaved if someone insulted him on his face..!!! Sunnah is what Prophet would have done in a situation. How would he have responded if someone insulted him in his face??? What he himself would have done???


Do we have examples of such incidences? Yes we do.
What did prophet himself do? He practiced forgiveness & polite reciprocation.


The lady (wife of Abu Lahab) who used to throw garbage on him. He used to pass a smile in return. Once she wasn't there to blaspheme, messenger got worried & went to see her. She was sick with fever, Muhammad took care of her & treated her well & offered his help with chores ...

I don't see Prophet issuing fatwa of death sentence for her...!!!
Rather her punishment is reserved for the next-life
(Kiyaamat=Day-of-judgement). Read Surah-e-Lahab that mentions what would happen to that couple in hereafter (no worldly punishment).

Then remember once prophet went to preach somewhere & ppl threw stones at him till he bleed so much & blood clotted in his shoes. Angel Gabriel(Jibraeel) asked him if prophet say, he can slam a mountain on that colony...

What did he do? He said NO. Instead prophet prayed for ppl of that colony. I don't see sunnah of issuing death sentences even for those who stoned him...!!!




Once a guy peed in a mosque... Companions(Sahabah) ran to get that guy... Prophet stopped them & told them to let him go. And told them just to wash that spot with water. That's it. No death sentence for such a blasphemy.!!!

It was narrated from Anas bin Malik that: A Bedouin urinated in the mosque, and some of the people rushed at him. The Messenger of Allah said: "Do not interrupt him." Then he called for a bucket of water and poured it over (the urine).
Sunan Ibn Majah:English reference:Vol. 1, Book 1, Hadith 528, Arabic ref:Book 1, Hadith 571





A scribe who had converted from christianity & used to write revelation for prophet, went apostate. He reverted back to christianity & started alleging false allegations against Prophet. Did prophet issue death sentence for him??? NO. He later died a natural death.

One thing that is commonly taken as blasphemy is, if someone makes images of Prophet...
Is making image of prophet an insult??? If image itself was offensive, then of course it is. But if image was benign, then is it blasphemy???

Why did prophet stop us from making his images??? Because he feared later generations might start to worship his pictures. That's why. Not because making his picture was an insult to him. He feared SHIRK... just like we know ppl had fallen into worshiping pictures of Ibraheim, Ismail & Maryam. Prophet did NOT want that to happen again, so he forbade making of his pictures. Not because it was an insult to him.!!

Narrated Ibn `Abbas:When the Prophet saw pictures in the Ka`ba, he did not enter it till he ordered them to be erased. When he saw (the pictures of Abraham and Ishmael carrying the arrows of divination, he said, "May Allah curse them (i.e. the Quraish)! By Allah, neither Abraham nor Ishmael practiced divination by arrows."
Sahih al-Bukhari 3352, In-book ref:Book 60, Hadith 32
Online English ref:Vol. 4, Book 55, Hadith 571







Prophet was blasphemed in his lifetime many times & in many ways. He NEVER issued fatwa of death or any other worldly punishment for those who did so...

He was accused of forgery " . . . nay, he forged it." [Qur'an 21:5], was stigmatized as a man 'possessed' [Qur'an 23:70] and 'mad' [Qur'an 68:2]...
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And no death sentence here either: instead I see recommendation to deal with ignorant nicely.
Q:73:10:And be patient (O Muhammad SAW) with what they say, and keep away from them in a good way.
Q:9:74:....but indeed they uttered blasphemy, .... but if they turn back (to their evil ways), Allah will punish them.... (NOT us,,, but ALLAH will take care of them HIMSELF. It's NOT made our job to penalize them.)

Q:28:55:And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: "To us our deeds and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant."
Q:7:199:Hold to forgiveness; command what is right; but turn away from the ignorant.
Q:25:63:And the (faithful) slaves of the Most Gracious (Allâh) are those who walk on the earth in humility and sedateness, and when the foolish address them (with bad words) they reply back with mild words of gentleness....other translation...And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say "Peace!"


Q:16:126:"And if you punished, let your punishment be proportionate to the wrong that has been done to you; but if you show patience, that is indeed the best course.
Q:62:40:"The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto: but if a person forgets and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah."
Q:28:54:"Twice will they be given their reward, for that they have persevered, (and) they avert evil with good."



If there is opposing behaviours seen in recorded history, I would prioritize. Quran over Hadees. Sunnah of prophet over sunnah of Sahabah. If any action of sahaba, as described in recorded history is in conflict with Sunnah of Prophet. I would disregard that part of recorded history & prefer to follow Quran & Prophet... As history was recorded by corruptible humans.

What's posted about "Kazzaab" is neither Quran nor sunnah of Prophet Muhammad.
And where does it say in Quran or Sunnah of prophet that there is death sentence or any other worldly penalty for false prophets???????? What's quoted from Quran & Hadees does NOT say anything to that effect.

The reason Abu bakr fought Musalima was NOT his proclaimation of prophethood. There were other reasons. It was rebellion against the Islamic state... That was the reason he fought him. Just like Pak army is fighting TTP, even though TTP haven't procalimed prophethood. It's the attempt to make a state-within-a-state that resulted in Abu Bakr fightong Musalimah Kazab.

He did NOT fight him merely for proclaiming prophethood.

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Ghulam Murtaza Malik spoke few of above incidences here:

9:40+ mother of a companion blasphemed. Listen how Prophet responded. Now it's upto you whose example you want to follow... Prophet prayed for her. Did not call for death sentence...
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Qureish even sweared at Prophet, kantay bichaay, galay mai phandaa daalaa, camel's stomach (oojhrey) oper phainkee, patharr maraay = blasphemy, blasphemy, blasphemy...!!! But how did he respond!!! When he over-powered them all at fatah-e-makkkah...!!! He practiced forgiveness... That`s Sunnah.


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There are many mis-quotes & fragments of the WHOLE incidents, u get the hint from red part in one hadees u quoted... Incidents where an apostate was killed involved him committing murder -or- treason against state. Thus these fragments of whole story send a false message. At one hand are CLEAR orders from ALLAH & at other hand are those out-of-context fragments of ahadees and false statements attributed to Prophet.

You are insisting on disregarding what ALLAH ordered & what Prophet himself did.
You are insisting on following ways of other persons whose actions are in conflict with Quran & Sunnah.
Just because thier actions were recorded in Bukhari doesn`t mean that action becomes deen.

Quran:2:256:- “Let there be no compulsion in religion...”
Q:18:25:Say "The Truth is from your Lord": let him who will, believe, and let him who will, reject (it):...



Prophet himself NEVER gave death penalty to any apostate just for his apostacy. I quoted example of the scribe who left islam. It was other persons who mis-understood the events just like YOU are repeating the grave misunderstanding.



Why aren't there any Liberal Parties in Pakistan? | Page 6


Those who advocate killing of Apostate(Renegade) mis-interpret Ahadees & don't under stand the context.


Prophet Muhammad NEVER killed Apostate because of his leaving-Islam BUT because after leaving Islam he KILLED Muslims or Faught wars against muslims, committed treason.


If an Apostate didn't kill muslims or faught against muslims then Prophet Muhammad NEVER ordered to kill such. As in following Ahadees Prophet didn't order to kill Apostates:-

Bukhari:56:814:-
There was a Christian who embraced Islam and read Surat-al-Baqara and Al-Imran, and he used to write (the revelations) for the Prophet. Later on he returned to Christianity again and he used to say: "Muhammad knows nothing but what I have written for him." Then Allah caused him to die(So he died his natural death & was not killed for his apostacy), and the people buried him, but in the morning they saw that the earth had thrown his body out.............

Bukhari:17:133:-
...........When the famine was taken off, the people renegade once again as non-believers. .......... "Allah's Apostle prayed for them and it rained heavily for seven days. So the people complained of the excessive rain. The Prophet said, 'O Allah! (Let it rain) around us and not on us.' So the clouds dispersed over his head and it rained over the surroundings."(Here again Prophet didn't order to kill these Apostates)




Now i come to incidences where killing of apostates is mentioned. In all such incidences apostates were involved in killing. So the death sentence was for them committing murder & NOT for their apostacy.

Bukhari:55:558:-
......... and they will renegade from the religion as an arrow goes through the game's body. They will kill the Muslims but will not disturb the idolaters. If I should live up to their time' I will kill them as the people of 'Ad were killed (i.e. I will kill all of them)."

Bukhari:82:794: (also 52:261, )
Narated By Anas : Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine). They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment (became healthy) they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away. The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were (caught and) brought, and the Prophets ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterised, till they die.

(same incidence as above)Bukhari:83:37:-
....(Long Hadith).......They deserted Islam, committed murder and theft......

Also in …Reference:Sahih al-Bukhari 233, In-book ref:Book 4, Hadith 100, Online English ref:: Vol. 1, Book 4, Hadith 234




Like today many muslims mis-understand these Ahadees, similarly in past this misunderstanding had occurred & few of such incidences have been recorded in books of Ahadees but in all of them Prophet Muhammad is not involved. Like Bukhari:59:630 & 632. It was mis-understanding on behalf of those individuals.

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Let me elaborate with one example, your CORRUPT half-cooked approach towards Ahadees.
Just one example is enough to expose how you take out-of-context,, fragments,, of incomplete Ahadees to come up with evil ideology of your own. Then you falsely attribute YOUR innovations to Prophet trying to make them legit.


Above hadees you quoted is incomplete version of what Prophet actually said. He was talking of ppl who'll not only go apostate, but also will be involved in KILLING. Then when he prescribes death sentence for such, it's because they committed murder. NOT because of their apostacy. As evident by many other incidences of apostacy where he never prescribed death penalty.


Below, I have quoted the "complete versions" of same speech of prophet, as well as in-complete, fragment that is missing the context. In complete version Prophet told that those apostate will be involved in killing of believers.... In incomplete, fragments that part is missing. You chose to use that incomplete fragment to establish your corrupt ideology.

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This post (LINK) has Examples of cases where prophet Muhammad did not touch apostates because they were NOT involved in killing... Also examples of cases where death sentence was given because apostates had killed the Sheppard\camel-driver & committed theft too.


Even though order of ALLAH is:
Q:4:59: ... If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: that is best, and most suitable for final determination.


But your insist on taking the reverse approach... You say you'll listen to non-ALLAH & non-Prophet and would disregard what Quran & Sunnah dictates.




Same tunnel-vision again from you.
It's on those who were committing treason. Deserting muslim army & fighting with others. These are NOT on average civilian hwo decides to leave islam. Even now GHADDAR(Traitor) to a state is given death sentence.

Read Ahades in little more so that you realize these ppl FOUGHT in Ghazwa-e-Badr after reverting away from Islam. Fought AGAINST muslims.

Bukhari:82:797:
Narated By Anas bin Malik : A group of people from 'Ukl (or 'Uraina) tribe... but I think he said that they were from 'Ukl came to Medina and (they became ill, so) the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) she-camels and told them to go out and drink the camels' urine and milk (as a medicine). So they went and drank it, and when they became healthy, they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. This news reached the Prophet early in the morning, so he sent (some) men in their pursuit and they were captured and brought to the Prophet before midday. He ordered to cut off their hands and legs and their eyes to be branded with heated iron pieces and they were thrown at Al-Harra, and when they asked for water to drink, they were not given water. Abu Qilaba said, "Those were the people who committed theft and murder and reverted to disbelief after being believers (Muslims), and fought against Allah and His Apostle".

Bukhari:60:347:
...When the Quraish troubled and stood against the Prophet ... but later they reverted (to heathenism), whereupon Allah punished them on the day of the Battle of Badr, and that is what Allah's Statement indicates...


They were fighting men who had left islam. They were NOT ordinary Joe civilians. Ones you are repeatedly quoting are PARTIAL out-of-context mentioning(s) of SAME incidence.



If I was to use twisted logic like you, I could say Ali & Aisha fought war with each other & many well known Sahabah also cur each other`s necks. So according to following Ahadees they ALL became Apostates too...!!!!!!

Bukhari:88:198: (Also 81:776, and 3:122)
Narated By Ibn 'Umar : I heard the Prophet saying, "Do not revert to disbelief after me by striking (cutting) the necks of one another."


That's exactly what forces of Ali & forces of Aisha did. SO were they all became apostates too...!!! That's how YOU interpret Ahadees. Would you go & announce death penalty for Ali & Aisha & all those BIG names amoung Sahaba too?????



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(Below are same complete & incomplete versions as in picture above;; just in case the picture file goes corrupt.)


More complete version is given below:


"When 'Ali was in Yemen, he sent some gold that was still enclosed in rock to the Prophet [SAW], who distributed it among Al-Aqra' bin Habis Al-Hanzali, who belonged to Banu Mujashi', 'Uyaynah bin Badr Al-Fazari, 'Alqamah bin 'Ulathah Al-'Amiri, who belonged to Banu Kilab and Zaid Al-Khail At-Ta'I, who belonged to Banu Nabhan. The Quraish and the Ansar became angry and said: 'He gives to the chiefs of Najd and ignores us!' He said: 'I am seeking to win them over (firmly to Islam).' Then a man with sunken eyes, a bulging forehead, a thick beard and a shaven head came and said: 'O Muhammad, fear Allah!' He said: 'Who will obey Allah if I do not? He trusts me with the people of this Earth but you do not trust me.' A man among the people asked for permission to kill him, but he did not let him do that. When (the man) went away, he (the Prophet [SAW]) said: 'Among the offspring of this man there will be people who will recite the Qur'an but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes through the game (target).They will kill the Muslims and leave the mushrikeen alone. If I live to see them, I will kill them as the killing of 'Ad.'"


Sunan an-Nasa'i 4101, In-book reference:Book 37, Hadith 136, English translation:Vol. 5, Book 37, Hadith 4106
Also repeated in:
Sahih Muslim 1064a, In-book ref:Book 12, Hadith 188, Online English ref Book 5, Hadith 2318



Bukhari:55:558:
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and they will renegade from the religion as an arrow goes through the game's body. They will kill the Muslims but will not disturb the idolaters. If I should live up to their time' I will kill them as the people of 'Ad were killed (i.e. I will kill all of them)."




:Incpmplete fragments, missing the context:

Bukhari:84:64:Narated By 'Ali : Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah's Apostle, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky than ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you (not a Hadith) then it was indeed a trick (i.e. I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection."


Bukhari:84:65:Narated By 'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Yasar : That they visited Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri and asked him about Al-Harauriyya, a special unorthodox religious sect, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about them?" Abu Sa'id said, "I do not know what Al-Harauriyya is, but I heard the Prophet saying, "There will appear in this nation... he did not say: From this nation... a group of people so pious apparently that you will consider your prayers inferior to their prayers, but they will recite the Qur'an, the teachings of which will not go beyond their throats and will go out of their religion as an arrow darts through the game, whereupon the archer may look at his arrow, its Nasl at its Risaf and its Fuqa to see whether it is blood-stained or not (i.e. they will have not even a trace of Islam in them)."



Bukhari:84:66:Narated By 'Abdullah bin 'Umar : Regarding Al-Harauriyya: The Prophet said, "They will go out of Islam as an arrow darts out of the game's body."
 
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I definitely agree that such laws should be abolished ASAP.
This law can be misused and is being misused.
 
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I think blasphemy law is a must. Pakistan has to protect Islam on behalf of Allah. Without Pakistan Islam would be finished. That is why ever since 632AD Pakistan has singularly protected Islam with blasphemy laws.

In 2016 it must keep protecting Islam - or else Islam is finished.
 
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I've done a poll. Will be interested to see the outcome.

As I understand Blasphemy laws exist and sometimes they can blind justice due to emotional empowerment of a belief/ideology. There have been instances where incidents have been proven otherwise and injustice has been wrongly served to those who did not commit such offences nor deserved it. Resulting to a loss of lives for those who have supported their stance. It can get messy.

One isn't suggesting that it's okay for people to mouth off whatever they want or that by ridding will create a portal for the ignorant nor should it be 'okayfied' to disrespect sacred values. But I'm highlighting issues that can be wrongly labelled under the banner of 'blasphemy laws' and is abused due to lack of biased investigations.

If not completely outlawed there should be appropriate, non-biased investigations without influence of personal interests.

This is a practice that hasn't been derived directly from the belief of a Faith.

I'm not going into how Pakistan is the only one to implement blasphemy laws in the Country because it's not. There are many Countries alongside, therefore it isn't just a ''Pakistani' issue.

Banning this law won't stop these cases in fact make them worse. Till now matters go in court so if you add only one clause in that law that who ever comes up with false accusation the moment the accused is found not guilty that false accuser would be sentenced to death. You can control false cases but if you end this law people will start doing justice on there own no one would bother to come to court or Police. So these laws are good only one clause needs to be added and implemented with full force. Also those who are found guilty should be punished without taking any international pressure.
 
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Banning this law won't stop these cases in fact make them worse. Till now matters go in court so if you add only one clause in that law that who ever comes up with false accusation the moment the accused is found not guilty that false accuser would be sentenced to death. You can control false cases but if you end this law people will start doing justice on there own no one would bother to come to court or Police. So these laws are good only one clause needs to be added and implemented with full force. Also those who are found guilty should be punished without taking any international pressure.
So you are afraid of people taking law into their own hands, isn't there another law to prevent just this?
 
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So you are afraid of people taking law into their own hands, isn't there another law to prevent just this?
No law would be able to prevent this from happening. Muslims love RASOOL SAW more than there own lives and everything else they have.
 
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