SHOCKING. The same template is used for US regime change operation in Pakistan as Chile (CIA DECLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS). Implemented word to word.

[khansaheeb]

How can you "encourage" someone to be corrupt? Can you "encourage" someone to drink poison?

These people already had the disease of the heart so let's not make excuses for them. No one forced them to get dirty. No one forced them to continue being corrupt. If they didn't want to then they should have stepped out of politics and exposed whoever was trying to force them.

Don't you believe in the Shataan?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Right from the horses mouth.

"However, as the CIA’s head of the Directorate of Intelligence, Ray S. Cline once put it, the key to a successful covert regime change is “supplying just the right bit of marginal assistance in the right way at the right time.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/12/23/the-cia-says-russia-hacked-the-u-s-election-here-are-6-things-to-learn-from-cold-war-attempts-to-change-regimes/

As I have said before people keeping making it look like somebody has overwhelming support and the CIA somehow snaps its fingers and all that support magically goes in the toilet...which is ridiculous.

 

[mazeto]

Pathetic country.
After decades a PM with some promise came along, and you guys have to remove him because he is making the rest look bad.
Don't blame the US. The US is only taking advantage of your mentality

 

[EternalMortal]

As I have said before people keeping making it look like somebody has overwhelming support and the CIA somehow snaps its fingers and all that support magically goes in the toilet...which is ridiculous.

Yeeeaaahh...I wouldn't take this statement & generalize it to all of their regime change attempts or take it at face value. Plenty of them have had more than just "marginal assistance", such as this recent one.

Don't you believe in the Shataan?

Are u saying Americans are jinns?

You clearly don't have much islamic knowledge if you think ALL bad deeds are simply due to shayateen. If they're only doing bad deeds b/c of shayateen then why do they continue committing sins during ramadan? What's the point of heaven & hell if you can't take responsibility for your own actions?

 

[Ghazwa-e-Hind]

Arshad sharif have done better investigation than our Lumber one.
Which claimed to have found no evidence

Arshad Sharif's father was a soldier, his brother (shaheed) was a soldier too.

He knows military and its affairs very well

He's a true investigative journalist who speaks with facts and evidence.

 

[khansaheeb]

As I have said before people keeping making it look like somebody has overwhelming support and the CIA somehow snaps its fingers and all that support magically goes in the toilet...which is ridiculous.

That's what has happened in other banana republics in the past, US sets up its assets and when the conditions are right, clicks their fingers and ,hey presto , there is regime change. Masterminds in NSA and CIA played their move but the game is not over yet.

 

[SaadH]

I have spoken to a few PMLN supporters. They say that if there's a conspiracy today, then surely there was a "minus one" conspiracy in 2017 too.

How do you counter that narrative?

The moment you start arguing with an ignorant fool, you have already lost.” - Imam Ali (AS)

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Just search for school of americas in google. Our jernails go there too.

 

[Jango]

Sir, I only pointed out what they believe... International conspiracy.. and you can't have a healthy debate after that. Many I know say that corruption is not a problem so you can imagine...

Oh yeah I totally get where you are coming from, I've got some N leaguers in my own family as well!!

And yes, looks like the more government tries to clarify, the more it will find itself deeply drowned in shit.

I have never seen the kind of criticism on army generals in my whole life. When you see common educated class doing that.. which has defended you in thick and thin.. then you must realize that your respect is no more. You have lost your defenders on current era's platforms.

I don't know what are they thinking.

This really has been unprecendted. Common class folks airing their concerns against the army so openly, never happened before.

 

[mudas777]

There may or may not have been US involvement in the regime change, but I am quite surprised at the naivety and historical ignorance of a great many people in Pakistan and especially N league supporters.

Are you having a laugh there may or may not have been US involvement? Country had a rude awakening like a blind person sight have been restored, please stop this mumbo jumbo and I expect better from a moderator.
How US have bought out our protectors its shocking and some idiots are debating about its a conspiracy or intervention. No intervention takes place without a conspiracy and when you are stabbed you don't investigate how sharp the knife was while lying at the emergency department instead of patching up the wound.
While we were fast asleep they have escalated to step 4 and we are asking please go by the book and tell us what was the step 1, where is the step 2 and I haven't came across the step 3.
Plan, conspire, execute and damage assessment. They have already installed the fuc**s open up your eyes. They are waiting and checking our response now and using our own media to put wool on our eyes and lead us into blind alleyways.

 

[Bratva]

There may or may not have been US involvement in the regime change, but I am quite surprised at the naivety and historical ignorance of a great many people in Pakistan and especially N league supporters.

Just pick up any book about the history of US involvement in world politics and the tale doesn't stop after the 1950's.

And you will never see a blatant announcement or open support by the US anywhere. It is all covert. Seemingly innocent programs, media agency collaborations, dinners, fundraisers, charity programs, relationship building, brick by brick things progress.

If people expect to get a video of Biden openly saying that yeah we did it, wake up from your dream son.

I have spoken to a few PMLN supporters. They say that if there's a conspiracy today, then surely there was a "minus one" conspiracy in 2017 too.

How do you counter that narrative?

We cant counter the narrative. Operation Ajax in 1953, to throw Democratic Goverment of Iran. Highly Popular Prime Minister Musaddag was made unpopular thorugh organized campaigns, Through mafias, who were jacking the prices of commodities thereby creating High Inflation

1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[newb3e]

the establishment is OK with corruption and corrupts. Yeh to hoti rehti h

khata hai toh Dha keh qabzay legalize bhi karta hai FWO ko thaikay bhi toh dayta hai!

 

[Path-Finder]

I have spoken to a few PMLN supporters. They say that if there's a conspiracy today, then surely there was a "minus one" conspiracy in 2017 too.

How do you counter that narrative?

you do realise that leagues don't live in the same reality as other humans do! with leagues even if the almighty, the divine was to personally show them. they wouldn't believe it.

 

[Jango]

We cant counter the narrative. Operation Ajax in 1953, to throw Democratic Goverment of Iran. Highly Popular Prime Minister Musaddag was made unpopular thorugh organized campaigns, Through mafias, who were jacking the prices of commodities thereby creating High Inflation

1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Just one example among many. While I am in no way saying it is exactly alike, but Mossadegh was also a very popular leader, taking on nationalist tendencies. The difference though is that when he went out people were joyous. In our case, this is perhaps the first time that the party going out of power is more popular and willing to go to the people, while those who have come into power are hiding their faces.

I wonder what sort of stories will we see about 50 years from now in CIA declassified documents.

Moreover, if you see these coup stories, one thing is always omnipresent...the fear of the US establishment that the target country or leader is getting closer to the Soviet Union/Communist bloc/Russia.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Not Shocking these items have been well known from long time by older demographics


Democracy , is influenced by People's vote

> Voting is based on opinion

1- Opinion can be changed by TV channels , fake news , 24/7 Lie campaign
2- Circumstances can be created to disrupt democracy by Influence of Money
3- Protectors of the idea can be bought and influenced by outside persuasion

Pakistan has 5,000-25,000 people who are addicted to Power and status
These people of Families have influence over various spheres in Pakistan

A- Military
(Showing Signs that it is no longer able to take decision in benefit of Pakistan)

B- Supreme courts - Compromised

C- Local Courts - Compromised

D - Police Compromised at Province Level Decay of 25 years