Shimon Peres: Israeli war criminal whose victims the West ignored

[mike2000 is back]

Yes kinda like the Israeli jets blowing up Egyptian border guards.

I still don't see the problems, as you can see the title is clear, Hamas is quite frustrated. I mean I would be too look at all that U.N money for all those Hamas weapons called Tires, In fact so deadly that the IDF had to adopt the Hamas tactic of throwing rocks. But thank Yeshua you had that IDF who gladly put his life on the line and kicked the tire, what a Brave "Jewish" soul.

Wait....dude , let me get this straight. You are Egyptian, a country who has contributed to the "blockade" of Gaza and who sees hamas rightly as a terrorist group/threat, same reason your Islamists holy fighters have turned your Sinai region into a lawless no go area for your army by slaughtering them whenever they get the chance. I won't even talk of your dictatorial country's military rule appalling human rights record/executions. If anything you Egyptians should be the last person to lecture anybody on here about human rights.
Many of your Iranian/Islamists friend's here will even call you people traitors to the Palestinian cause.
Why don't you open your borders freely to welcome hamas and other Islamists groups in Sinai. Afterall, muslims should help each other.

 

[Solomon2]

Solomon like people are the reason the United States is such a brutal state that cannot simply pull away from Israel or admit its attrocities.

I already went through and documented some fake atrocities in this thread. Rather than accept that their arguments have been poisoned, it is demanded that I wade through many more alleged "proofs". Uh-uh. Now the ball is in your court: you and @salarsikander have to prove you're willing to disprove anti-Zionist falsehoods yourselves first, otherwise you cannot claim moral credibility for whatever selections, links, etc. you bring to bear here.

Shame on people who deny and insult holocaust surviving members and use their tragedy to impose their unjust will on others,

The only one who has tried that in this thread is you!

 

[salarsikander]

Solomon like people are the reason the United States is such a brutal state that cannot simply pull away from Israel or admit its attrocities.

It's Very shameful and regretful that people like @Solomon2 Are denying the Holocaust survivors spirit, the very spirit that kept them alive when there fellows jews were being herded into gas chambers.

I already went through and documented some fake atrocities in this thread. Rather than accept that their arguments have been poisoned, it is demanded that I wade through many more alleged "proofs". Uh-uh. Now the ball is in your court: you and @salarsikander have to prove you're willing to disprove anti-Zionist falsehoods yourselves first, otherwise you cannot claim moral credibility for whatever selections, links, etc. you bring to bear here.

The only one who has tried that in this thread is you!

As Again always in denial and always B.S. the quotation that I have mentioned are ot from non-jewish people rather they are from the survivors of holocaust, ignoring them is like denying the Holocaust and insulting it. Do you @Solomon2 Deny the Holocaust that happened to jews, do you Shamefully disregards what they have to say about the Zionist atrocities and treatment of PALestinians ? Will you disregards them completely ?
How low does a Zionist need to stoop to use the tragedy of poor jews.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

Egypt had to grovel,swallow its pride and to be the first Arab country to have a peace treaty and recognise Israel.After they mopped you from the Sinai you went to the US camp and pleaded for terms.Israel was generous and accepted your surrender.

Today,you do your part and maintain Israe's security by blockading Gaza and destroying Hamas tunnels.You're obedient,good for you,that's the right strategy if you want to maintain the Sinai.

Wait....dude , let me get this straight. You are Egyptian, a country who has contributed to the "blockade" of Gaza and who sees hamas rightly as a terrorist group/threat, same reason your Islamists holy fighters have turned your Sinai region into a lawless no go area for your army by slaughtering them whenever they get the chance. I won't even talk of your dictatorial country's military rule appalling human rights record/executions. If anything you Egyptians should be the last person to lecture anybody on here about human rights.
Many of your Iranian/Islamists friend's here will even call you people traitors to the Palestinian cause.
Why don't you open your borders freely to welcome hamas and other Islamists groups in Sinai. Afterall, muslims should help each other.

Ohhhh Look at this dynamic duo that got their butts handed to them in different threads and decided to come and bring your baggage to this one...

Wait....dude , let me get this straight. You are Egyptian, a country who has contributed to the "blockade" of Gaza and who sees hamas rightly as a terrorist group/threat

The Egyptian government removed them from the terrorist lists.

Also we contribute to the blockade to stop the MB which Hamas is an offshoot of. As for Hamas the government has bigger things to deal with then support Hamas, first they have to fix the Egyptian economy by maintaining the blockade we are insuring Israel doesn't get any "funny" ideas and decide to surprise attack us again.

, same reason your Islamists holy fighters have turned your Sinai region into a lawless no go area for your army by slaughtering them whenever they get the chance.

HAHAHA you wish! Is that why over 2,000 militants have been killed in the Sinai? Please law and order is already being put back in place, Have you been reading Ceyals fantasy posts?

I won't even talk of your dictatorial country's military rule appalling human rights record/executions.

I won't even talk about the Millions you have murdered in your global war on "terror" or your war criminal George bush C*ck sucker Tony blair.

If anything you Egyptians should be the last person to lecture anybody on here about human rights.

If anything the British should be the last one to talk considering everything wrong with the middle east was thanks to you and frances colonization.

Many of your Iranian/Islamists friend's here will even call you people traitors to the Palestinian cause.

I do not care for Iran or Islamists, I care for Reality and I am showing it to these Israelis.

Why don't you open your borders freely to welcome hamas and other Islamists groups in Sinai. Afterall, muslims should help each other.

Why don't you open your border freely for those Calais(or whatever you call it) Migrants?

Egypt had to grovel,swallow its pride and to be the first Arab country to have a peace treaty and recognise Israel.

You mean the first Arab country to get a piece of American aid money and access to American weapons? I say it's a fair deal. Don't slaughter Israel and we get access to your weapons.

After they mopped you from the Sinai you went to the US camp and pleaded for terms.

More like Israel and America pleaded for terms.

Israel was generous and accepted your surrender.

When was the last time Romania won a war?

I forgot about your unimportant countries history since it doesn't matter.

Today,you do your part and maintain Israe's security by blockading Gaza and destroying Hamas tunnels.

Not for long...

You're obedient,good for you,that's the right strategy if you want to maintain the Sinai.

We don't have to be obedient we broke the camp David accords multiple times and Israel wasn't man enough to face us. We also placed SAM missiles in Sinai, We are making agreements with Russia and China, you will find out that Egypt is farrrrrrr from obedient.


How about both of you since your butthurt take a break, no need for vendettas or revenge.

P.S you two are de-railing the thread, please go read the title.

 

[salarsikander]

The only one who has tried that in this thread is you

Godforbid, I have never disregarded their suffering (Holocaust) as I have not disregarded the sufferings of Poor Palestinians. The only one who is insulting and disregarding the suffering of Holocaust members here is you ! As I said before the curse of Zionism has made you blind, not only you defy your own teachings, but you stoop so low to disregard your ancestors suffering. Shameful and pathetic.

@Oscar @waz We don not encourage openly or tactically the insulting of holocaust survivors, right ?\ Then why do we have this Zionist members who continues to insult them by disregarding their suffering ?
We all Demand that a very strict action should be taken against such hateful member, who is here to spread malicious lies using the suffering of poor holocaust member to their agenda

 

[Solomon2]

Godforbid -

Nobody - least of all me - is claiming that their words are completely without value; I am pointing out they are no defense to anyone who deliberately and unapologetically uses lies to incite and sustain hatred of Israel or its leaders, as salars is attempting to employ them here.

In short, while there is now plenty of reason to doubt the story of Peres and Israel being guilty of war crimes, there is no doubt - none at all - that there are members in this thread who committed and are committed to what is legally considered slander in many countries. So Peres may not be a criminal but they are.

And the wonder of it is that it took a Zionist to point out this out to Pakistanis, rather than Pakistanis outing it themselves. Why? Can't you see this is at the root of the self-destructive militancy in your country? Why pretend to be moral by bashing Israel? The distortions necessary to sustain the fiction are obliterating a sensible evaluation of right from wrong.

 

[django]

Mr Peres was projected by the pro-Israeli western media as a man of peace, nothing could be further from the truth. I presume @The Sandman agrees with my assessment.Kudos

 

[salarsikander]

Nobody - least of all me - is claiming that their words are completely without value; I am pointing out they are no defense to anyone who deliberately and unapologetically uses lies to incite and sustain hatred of Israel or its leaders, as salars is attempting to employ them here.

In short, while there is now plenty of reason to doubt the story of Peres and Israel being guilty of war crimes, there is no doubt - none at all - that there are members in this thread who committed and are committed to what is legally considered slander in many countries. So Peres may not be a criminal but they are.

And the wonder of it is that it took a Zionist to point out this out to Pakistanis, rather than Pakistanis outing it themselves. Why? Can't you see this is at the root of the self-destructive militancy in your country? Why pretend to be moral by bashing Israel? The distortions necessary to sustain the fiction are obliterating a sensible evaluation of right from wrong.

Again deliberate silence to what your ancestors have to say regarding the Palestinian treatment. It is no wonder that illegal Zionist state is Boycotted at every forum, their Foreign ministers are hunted down like rats before they secure special waivers. The holocaust survivors are not much wrong when they condemn the illegal state and its policies, surely they didn't realize what their off-spring will turn into and bring about such a shame to their sacrifice. It is not only an insult to their struggle and spirit but a stain 21 century's humanity. Indeed what is more shameful is the fact the Judaism has been hijacked by a bunch of hard core militants that themselves have caused much harm to jews and to the spirit of Holocaust survivors. Calling a criminal , criminal is nothing slanderous, but denying what Holocaust survivors have to say about the apartheid regime is basically disgusting and should be condemned with strongest possible language.

@Solomon2 You have exhausted all your credibility today by denying the much deserved value to the Holocaust survivors, You were already against the TORAH and now you have chosen to abuse the modern history's tragic event. Why should the fellow jews and Zionist listen to you now let alone gentiles. You have insulted your ancestors and forefathers and the spirit they stood for and fought the the fuehrer of Germany. You alone today have caused much harm to the jewish ancestry by denying them the rightful value. You are not even worthy of being called a human let alone a 'jew'. Sad state of affairs indeed. The zionist militant mentality has completely shut down your conscience

 

[Solomon2]

Again deliberate silence -

Because credibility of Zionist critics vanishes once they have resorted to unapologetically standing upon lies. Their credibility destroyed, whatever they bring to the table afterwards does not deserve to be evaluated.

...You have exhausted all your credibility today by denying the much deserved value to the Holocaust survivors...

Their value to you is how they can be used to promote the genocide of Jews. That's not the value any of them are or were (some have now passed away) seeking.

...now you have chosen to abuse the modern history's tragic event -

As I've pointed out, that's what YOU are doing.

Why should the fellow jews and Zionist listen to you now let alone gentiles.

Mirror, mirror, doesn't work, does it? You want to avoid falling into a cesspool of hatred like Syria has, you have to take your moral stand with the Zionists, for they are the ones with truth-in-fact on their side; all you've brought to the table is hatred and mockery.

 

[salarsikander]

all you've brought to the table is hatred and mockery.

Actually thats what you have done so far. Hatred by only closing your eyes to reality and disregarding everything as Anti-semitic, that alone then leaves no place for criticism for deep down you think actions of all zionists are flawless. A very 16 century thinking that is not so quite valid in 21st century, since that is humanity has evolved by taking criticism as a positive feedback and evolve and those who have failed to evolve have ceased to exist.

Mockery, through which you have shows complete disregard to the survivors of Holocaust spirit you @Solomon2 have no respect to their value and you're continuously even at such old age are blinded by the Zionist agenda that you bring to the table. Deep down you know it yourself hence which is why you are not going to spend the rest of your life or whatevers left of it in Forbidden land (there is hope for you, but not much time left for you)

Because credibility of Zionist critics vanishes once they have resorted to unapologetically standing upon lies.

The world is full of people that oppose militant mentality such as Zionism, We dont have to go to far to search for it.
And you too know it where it can be found, The Zionism is deeply flawed within, taking another name and hijacking the religion of judaism children of Israel have brought upon them a terrible curse of Zionism. Which is even Holocaust survivors are ashamed of it.

you have to take your moral stand with the Zionists, for they are the ones with truth-in-fact on their side

Self praise and denial are the two weapons used by the militant mentality of Zionists which has failed terribly, They are not only condemned by gentiles but by the very own jews whom the zionist are tricking them into believing that they are bringing more prosperity. No sane person would deny or not give in value to the Holocaust survivors, but a person who has received the poison of Zionism ever since he opened his eye to the world cannot be reasoned with.

A blind person does not know of how reality looks like as he has never seen one, and talking to you makes me realize that youre no different after you blatantly denied the spirit of holocaust survivor. Shame on you for deceiving the rest of jews who are not sure to follow which path.

 

[Śakra]

RIP Shimon Peres.

 

[Solomon2]

Actually thats what you have done so far. Hatred by only closing your eyes to reality -

On the contrary, I pointed out slanderous falsehoods.

...and disregarding everything as Anti-semitic, that alone then leaves no place for criticism for deep down you think actions of all zionists are flawless.

Oh, I don't hold Zionists are "flawless". Not even faultless. But do I hold that their flaws and faults merit the destruction of Israel? Absolutely not!

The world is full of people that oppose militant mentality such as Zionism -

It's nationalist, not "militant", and the topic of this thread is what is a war criminal, not Zionism.

A blind person does not know of how reality looks like as he has never seen one, and talking to you makes me realize that youre no different after you blatantly denied the spirit of holocaust survivor.

As I've pointed out, your interpretation of the spirit of these people is deeply flawed. Did you note that these people remained Jews, that there was despite their opinions a place for them at the tabler? So Lacking self-criticism yourself, you are in no position to evaluate it.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

In short, while there is now plenty of reason to doubt the story of Peres and Israel being guilty of war crimes, there is no doubt - none at all - that there are members in this thread who committed and are committed to what is legally considered slander in many countries. So Peres may not be a criminal but they are.

So this is how Israelis fight back without mommy America? Calling things slander? Freedom of speech much? just because your butthurt that Israel has committed war crimes and broken international law doesn't mean that it's slander.

 

[salarsikander]

So Lacking self-criticism yourself, you are in no position to evaluate it.

In fact I am very much open to it, And I actively engage in such discussion, you OTOH are hell bent on spreading malicious content which only promotes more hatred rather than encouraging a positive feedback. What is even more surprising is the fact that when someone points out to illegal settlements you not only deny them altogether you go on to say anything that goes against Apartheid regime is based around hatred for jews which is totally wrong

So tell me what gives you the right to judge others when you yourself conveniently deny everything, even the sources quote from jews ?

 

[flamer84]

More like Israel and America pleaded for terms.

Sure.That's why they mopped you out of the Sinai and didn't pull out until you were the first Arab country to sign a treaty with them.

When was the last time Romania won a war?

I forgot about your unimportant countries history since it doesn't matter.

WW1 and the following Romanian-Hungarian War of 1919.You wouldn't know about that period as you were a colony back then and, in the end,Romania didn't have the "pleasure" to fight a country 20 times less its size and population and get pawned in the process.