Sheikh Mujib brutality

[Mattrixx]

i'm mesmerized how you seamlessly blend your undying love to cheer for India with bits of numbers here and there. Pakistan and Bangladesh both are supposed to lag behind India with their moth-eaten hinterlands, and even if India did not annex one of the Muslim states in 1971. but that is arguably not the case

Nothing for you to mesmerize. We can have conversations if you come up with East pakistani flag.

 

[extra terrestrial]

Sheikh Mujib brutality

This thread captures Sheikh Mujib brutality in Bangladesh during the period of 1972 and 1975. During his time thousands of Bangladesh political activists were abducted, tortured and killed. Most famous of Sheikh Mujib victim was Siraj Sikdar, a leftist political leader. After killing Siraj Sikdar Mujib chest thumped in the parliament and asked where is Siraj now?

Sheikh Mujib created bruttal force of rakkhi bahini tortured and killed political activists, journalists and anyone opposed dictatorial and autocratic rule one party rule.

Some honest words:

Sheikh Mujib was indeed a great figure, achieving independence would have never been possible without his contributions. However, there are some bitter facts that will forever be the dark side of his story.

During Mujib's rule, the situation of law and order was right at the nadir. Many Mukti Bahini members didn't feel to return their weapons to the government. Rokhkhi Bahini and Awami Leaguers were reckless and ruthless. There was nothing called justice system. Now that points towards two things, either Sheikh Mujib had no control over the people around him or he simply didn't care. One would wonder if that's the situation what was the actual purpose of forming Rokhkhi Bahini.

On the other hand, Sheikh Mujib simply demeaned the Army who were in no position in comparison to the Awami Leaguers and Rokhkhi Bahini. There's a well-documented incident, once a bus carrying a newly wed couple was passing through Tangail. A local Awami Leaguer named Muzammel hijacked the bus, raped the wife and later killed the couple. He was detained by Major Nasir for the act. When Muzammel's father complained to Sheikh Mujib about the incident, Mujib not only ordered to release the perpetrator but also called for transfer of Major Nasir.

The situation of the economy and general living standard was even worse. There was a huge famine in 1974. Though the series of floods was the major cause (as said popularly), some government actions were also largely responsible.

About BAKSAL, well, there's no harm in such one party authoritarian rule but you need to have a capable leader and sadly, Sheikh Mujib was definitely not that leader!

 

[khair_ctg]

Nothing for you to mesmerize. We can have conversations if you come up with East pakistani flag.

i already have one. look carefully. or you mean the one S. Mujib used to carry for the better part of his life?

Sheikh Mujib started a great job by eliminating leftist terrorists clan. But he should have properly destroyed the jamaat clan too.
If he had done his job properly then ISI,CIA sponsored jamaat brethren fraction group from Army could never kill our great leader.
History always praises our great leaders like Siraj ud daula who had lacking in many ways but its the Mir zafars who we hate.

..says the same person who denies the existence of subcontinental Muslim civilization, including Mughals and Pathans. have you lost it? at least the Mughal Siraj ud Daula wouldn't have led an enemy nation to take over his saltanat, and called it "independence"

 

[Saiful Islam]

Look at some of these cretins on here who would sell our country for the quick buck. If you don't believe in an independent, sovereign Banglar Desh then piss off. Simple.

 

[Mattrixx]

i already have one. look carefully. or you mean the one S. Mujib used to carry for the better part of his life?

The fact is that East Pakistan was the better pakistan. But as we changed our name and flag. So if you want to defend the old east pakistan then come up with the old flag. Whats the shame in that. But if you insult our sovereign country BD saying it should be still part of Pakistan, where we come this far with so much struggle. Then you have no rights to use BD flag. Yes you can use that flag S. Mujib used to carry for the part of his life.

i already have one. look carefully. or you mean the one S. Mujib used to carry for the better part of his life?


..says the same person who denies the existence of subcontinental Muslim civilization, including Mughals and Pathans. have you lost it? at least the Mughal Siraj ud Daula wouldn't have led an enemy nation to take over his saltanat, and called it "independence"

We can consider siraj ud daula at some extent Bengali. As he was born and nourished in Bengle. And maintained an independent state unlike his fellow nawabs who ran a vessel state. Siraj ud daula was quite free from Mughal influence. There are significant value of Muslim culture in this area. But cant deny the fact that they started here as invaders.

 

[Multani]

what about before 1972? like Sheikh Mujib beat parliament speaker Shahed Ali to death with a chair during East Pakistan time

seculars have been far more blood thirsty vicious little creatures than others throughout modern history

 

[qamar1990]

Hahahaha!

Another blatant attempt to troll the successful development of our great nation. Now you will use 40 year old lies to prove your non-existent points?!

Remember - you are the sad, low grade people who in an earlier thread wished Pakistan would take BD back again. Trying to unbirth your own country?! Oh how i wish the same fate had befallen you!

stop trying to bring pakistan into this.

 

[EasyNow]

are you realizing the irregularity in what you are saying? you admit it yourself that East Pakistan landmass started from a dismal socio-economic condition in 1947. on top of that, the class warfare leftists (that you probably cheer for) made sure the business-owning class, which includes both non-Bengali Partition migrants and Bengalis, increasingly settled in Karachi rather than in Dhaka or Chittagong, through cultural and economic agitation.

it shouldn't come as a surprise that capital was flowing through migrant non-Bengalis or from West Pakistan. and the Bengali nationalist leftists made sure WP was where the people increasingly settled at and where the capital returned to. apart from the agitation, this is a very familiar thing that exists in all countries, provinces, etc. Dhaka attracts more capital than Chittagong. Karachi attracts more than Rawalpindi. Texas attracts more than Oklahoma. that is what you think "neglect" is and enough justification for the "neglected" region to be annexed by enemy country.

you are missing how the market works. West Pakistan was economically doing better because WP businesses had the intellectual and physical resources to create jobs in both WP and EP. Mohajir and well-off Bengali business class found WP increasingly more attractive in part because of Bengali nationalist agitators in EP. any parity would have to only come in time when East Pakistani Bengalis would attain the intellectual wealth and capital that they were deprived of during Hindu-dominated pre-1947, to have created jobs in West Pakistan.

to 2. political rhetoric. to 3. so suddenly sourcing domestically is wrong?

Sheikh Mujib was a "razakar mollah"

I don't want to keep going off-topic, but your misconception needs to be cleared. I don't want to open old wounds, which is why silly propaganda threads like this need not be opened. It is my last post on the matter.

Everything you have said in your post is pure conjecture. You are speculating that leftists took the wealth of EP to WP but at the same time blame them for engineering the split too? If that was the leftists plan, why did so many abandon their wealth in WP and work for separate EP? You're making no sense at all.

Here are some facts - please try to analyse these with an open mind;

• In 1948 there were 11 textile mills in EP and only 9 in WP.

• By 1971 there were 26 in EP but now 150 in WP.

So we did better in 1948 on our own - where does this sit with your ridiculous idea that EP lacked talent? In fact EP was renowned for its intellectuals at the time.

- 70% of export earnings were from EP

- development expenditure stood at 34% in EP despite the fact that we were more than half the population.

- whilst EP saw a 0.1% fall in GDP PP, WP saw a 0.8% increase.

- Per capita income in EP fell by 0.7%while in WP it increased by 1.7%

What are you thinking? Its not so easy to rewrite history.


You might not hear this from me, so please read it from the Pakistani side below:

How the East was lost | TNS - The News on Sunday

As the saying goes 'Begani shaadi main Abdullah dewana' ! Pakistan has moved on mate but some of our own seem not to have.

 

[eastwatch]

What was the Bangladeshi/Pakistani GDP in 1972-1975 and what was it in 2013? Was the gap bigger in 1972 or in 2013.

Source of the above data can be found here: List of countries by past and future GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1970, BD (then east Pakistan) vs. west Pakistan was 33.7% vs 64.3% of the total Pakistani GDP. In 2014, it has risen to 40% vs 60% of the combined GDP. I think, our rising economy is great considering how much of BD's export earned capitals were systematically stolen by the west for a long 23 years, and we were devoid of capital for investment after 1971.

Our share during the last forty years could have gone down to less than 20% vs 80%, had we remained with west Pakistan. I propose we better do not compare about our two economies, because it will only bring about our sad memories how we were exploited by west which was poorer in 1947 and richer in 1971.

You go up and be a new Japan, we do not care. But, we are happy to do our own business without an interference from you. Only future will tell which of the two countries will develop faster.

 

[That Guy]

Which recent events and which facts?

We have had a military dictatorship before, we've had rigged elections before, we've even forced re-elections before. So why this time is it an Indian win?

Every government in Bd has had excellent relations with India. The fact is none before AL had the nerve to take India to court over a 25 year old matter. Our chief investor today is China, Indias regional rival.

I suspect the only relationship with India that would not be suspicious to some is war. I'm sorry it isn't a them or us scenario.

Unfortunately, Pakistan gets most of it's info on Bd from jamaati sources. Again I have to ask you to stand back and look at the facts without prejudice.

What prejudice? I've said it before, I don't care what happens to BD. And Jamaati sources? I live in Canada, stop trying to slander me.

Look at how much influence India has, look at the level of interference India had during BD's last elections, look at India's actions towards, BD. I don't need to defend what is already a fact of life, and the ground reality is apparent to anyone who's willing to see it.

 

[khair_ctg]

Everything you have said in your post is pure conjecture. You are speculating that leftists took the wealth of EP to WP but at the same time blame them for engineering the split too?

the agitators did not take the wealth, but forced the wealth to go to WP. i mentioned the reasons in my last post. that includes for example anti-Urdu and anti-lot of things perceived to be of Bengali Muslim aristocracy.

no i don't blame them for that. i blame them for engineering an Indian run-over

why did so many abandon their wealth in WP and work for separate EP? You're making no sense at all.

EP-origin people who settled or were working in WP, and then repatriated to post-1971 BD generally were able to liquidate their wealth. i don't see how this topic helps your point

Here are some facts - please try to analyse these with an open mind;

• In 1948 there were 11 textile mills in EP and only 9 in WP.

• By 1971 there were 26 in EP but now 150 in WP.

i don't see your info in your link. look you are trying to assert something that is not even debated, irrespective of which party/nation/opinion you belong to. East Bengal in 1947 was a total hinterland. East Pakistan and West Pakistan were both called moth-eaten and truncated, because they were said to have been stripped of almost all economic/industrial centers of undivided British India, which India instead got. at least West Pakistan had Lahore. i am not refuting your numbers. all i am saying is it was natural that WP experienced more development, because A. it already had better resources/capita and human capital at the 1947 point, and B. a comparatively more and more favourable demography and political env as time progressed from 1947 onward.

So we did better in 1948 on our own - where does this sit with your ridiculous idea that EP lacked talent? In fact EP was renowned for its intellectuals at the time.

in pre-1947, the Muslims of the entire subcontinent were dissatisfied with the way things were going for too long, and alarmed at the prospect of living as second-class subjects in an independent undivided Hindustan. this issue was even more aggravated for the Muslims of Bengal-Bihar-Orissa region. the Muslims of the region were hit by the worst famines, had the lowest literacy rates and East Bengal, a Muslim majority place, had virtually no growing urban center. Jahangirnagar the once thriving capital (Dhaka) until Siraj ud Daula was reduced to a dead city. in 1905-1947, there were minor signs of development in East Bengal, but it was a lot for the hinterland, that you can say we did on our own.*

i don't know what to say regarding such statements that East Bengal, a land of predominantly farmers, was "renowned for its intellectuals". or maybe you were referring to the Hindus, who were the majority of landowners and money-lenders? not surprisingly they are better suited to be intellectuals and bring about their renaissance

as a Bangladeshi i should naturally be concerned about the progress of this landmass from 1947 to 1971, even if it was geographically a fraction of *the* country. even if i don't agree with your numbers, i couldn't accept the deprivation of this landmass. and even if i don't think non-Bengali Muslims were evil, there were legitimate issues that needed to be addressed about EP. those issues wouldn't have included an Indian annexation of EP, nor could an Indian annexation address those issues.

*Muslims of Bengal were never really 'Bengalis' pre-1947, they were just Muslims like any other Muslim of the subcontinent. and that says a lot about the composition of Bengal's Muslim population. the development in 1905-1947 was spearheaded by the Muslim League which was gaining more support in Bengal.

What are you thinking? Its not so easy to rewrite history.

i'm glad you are saying this

As the saying goes 'Begani shaadi main Abdullah dewana' ! Pakistan has moved on mate but some of our own seem not to have.

the majority of today's geographic Pakistan did not come under Indian control. the same cannot be said of us. and no, no country "moves on" from its roots and identity. for Bangladesh, if you care about its map, its roots in the Muslim struggle for emancipation and in the Lahore Resolution cannot be denied

 

[EasyNow]

What prejudice? I've said it before, I don't care what happens to BD. And Jamaati sources? I live in Canada, stop trying to slander me.

Look at how much influence India has, look at the level of interference India had during BD's last elections, look at India's actions towards, BD. I don't need to defend what is already a fact of life, and the ground reality is apparent to anyone who's willing to see it.

Buddy I'm not slandering but you keep saying ground reality, fact of life, etc. These are prejudiced notions as they have been made based on others opinions.

Have you been on the ground in Bd? I have.

If I got my knowledge of Pak from the most vocal group (pti, right now), I'd say Pakistan is a dictatorship, with no basic human rights for people. Of course that's not true, but I ask the same courtesy from you. BD is relatively peaceful, developing country. We don't want outside sympathy like Syria received to ruin what we have.

 

[That Guy]

Buddy I'm not slandering but you keep saying ground reality, fact of life, etc. These are prejudiced notions as they have been made based on others opinions.

Have you been on the ground in Bd? I have.

If I got my knowledge of Pak from the most vocal group (pti, right now), I'd say Pakistan is a dictatorship, with no basic human rights for people. Of course that's not true, but I ask the same courtesy from you. BD is relatively peaceful, developing country. We don't want outside sympathy like Syria received to ruin what we have.

I don't need to listen to other people, I've said it before, I'm basing my opinion on facts, not other people; Rather, my opinion is based on various news sources such as the BBC and Reuters, who have a much better understand on the situation than you or me.

Just like you say I shouldn't believe other people's opinions, I have no reason to trust yours either.

 

[Al-zakir]

We can consider siraj ud daula at some extent Bengali. As he was born and nourished in Bengle. And maintained an independent state unlike his fellow nawabs who ran a vessel state. Siraj ud daula was quite free from Mughal influence. There are significant value of Muslim culture in this area. But cant deny the fact that they started here as invaders.

Please enlighten us "illiterate" that what was court language of Nawab Siraj ud Daulah?

 

[Mattrixx]

Please enlighten us "illiterate" that what was court language of Nawab Siraj ud Daulah?

Have I said his court language was Bengali. What do you mean by "illiterate"?
Muslims rulers were no better than British. Destroyed Bengle at best. Thousand years of misery and Chaos.
These impotents are not capable of securing independence. The core has the main problem.
Now dont bring this siraj ud daula at every issue. I was once interested in him but not any more as I learn more of him.
Just couldnt get time to change the profile pic. To me Siraj ud daula is worse than Mir jafar.