Shashi Tharoor reflects the actual mindset of Delhi towards Islamabad

[DaRk WaVe]

Shashi Tharoor reflects the actual mindset of Delhi towards Islamabad

By Makhdoom Babar
Editor-in-Chief
Daily Mail

The good terrorists are the guys who kill Indians in India and the bad terrorists are those who attack Pakistani interests whether in Afghanistan or in Pakistan.” “In other words, you blow up the Taj Mahal hotel in India, you’re a good guy, you blow up the Marriot in Islamabad you’re a bad guy. That is what the Pakistanis believe.”

These are the views of India’s Minister of State for External Affairs Shashi Tharoor which he expressed yesterday while talking to a noted US News Channel the CNN. Shahshi Tharoor is not just the Minister of State for External Affairs of India but till sometime back, he was India’s nominee for the slot of Secretary General of United Nations.

This statement of Shashi Tharoor has come at a time when Pakistan is trying hard to fight militancy and terrorism and the whole Pakistani nation is united to eliminate the terrorists and militants for good. Tharoor’s statement has come while the Pakistan Army has launched a large scale operation against the terrorists and the terrorists, in return, have unleashed top level terror against Pakistanis. They are killing soldiers, policemen, women children and in the last display, they targeted innocent students of a University in Islamabad. The entire nation of Pakistan, from Khyber to Karachi is in pain and anguish and has condemned terrorism in all its forms and manifestations in any part of the world. But Mr. Tharoor thinks the other way around.

The most tragic thing in the whole episode is that such a mindset is possessed by none else but a person whom India had nominated for the slot of UNSG. One can imagine that had Tharoor been elected as UNSG, what, with this mindset, he had been doing to Pakistanis in particular and Muslims In general. It is very pity to notice that India, instead of nominating some neutral and unbiased person for the high profile and highly sensitive global position of UNSG, nominated such a biased and anti-Pakistan and anti-Muslim minded person.

Coming back to Mr. Tharoor’s views, The Daily Mail would like to ask the gentleman that on the basis of what evidence or proof he dared to say that Pakistanis or certain elements in Pakistan appreciated the act of terror that took place in Mumbai or they consider them as “The Good Terrorists”? Was there any private or official statement in this direction? Was there any public demonstration in support of Mumbai attackers in any part of Pakistan? Was there any circle of Pakistani media found in support or appreciation of Mumbai attackers? Was there any statement, printed or broadcaster on any of the Pakistani newspaper or TV Channel, released by any extremist group or individual in order to portray Mumbai attackers as “The Good Terrorists”? Everybody in Pakistan, belonging to all walks of life, condemned the Mumbai carnage just they way they condemned the Marriot blast in Islamabad and this is on the record and the whole world and global media community are witness to it. No one from any part of the world has alleged that any body in Pakistan did appreciate the Mumbai terror attack and termed the terrorists as “The Good Terrorists”. Then why Shahshi Tharoor has said so? Why has he tried generate hatred amongst the Indians towards Pakistanis by such an absurd and insane statement, to prove which, he does not have even an iota of evidence? It is very unfortunate that such a highly irresponsible statement has come out from none else but the person was otherwise supposed to be leading the world’s top peace and mediation office. Why is he trying to sow the seeds of poison and hatred amongst the generations to come through such devilish practices?

The Daily Mail believes that the whole Shashi Tharoor episode with the CNN, proves no point but that this is the mindset of Indian government towards Pakistan. Tharoor’s views simply reflect what the Indian politicians and bureaucracy think about Pakistan government and Pakistani nation. The Daily Mail is of the firm opinion that with this mindset on part of New Delhi, there appears to be no chance of a lasting peace between Pakistan and India and all efforts of Islamabad in this direction are set to go down the drain.

Shashi Tharoor reflects the actual mindset of Delhi towards Islamabad Pakistan Ka Khuda Hafiz

 

[R.A.W.]

The good and bad terrorist classification has roots with the supporting of so called freedom fighters in Kashmir which have been creating havoc all over India not just Kashmir killing civilians. And it is not a hidden fact about the support which they recieve from Pakistan on the name of freedom struggle.

Even the taliban is being classified as good and the bad taliban. though the good taliban has been quite responsible for killing innocents within Afghanistan. So any terrorist outside the premises of Pakistan or Pakistan interests is considered as good no matter if they are involved in terrorist activities to other countries.

As far as shashi tharoor is concerned he is the same person who got his back whipped for calling the economy class people as cattle class by indian media.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

eehh u want to bring in Kashmir eh?

Terrorists for one & freedom Fighters for others...

we are talking about the statement of such a high profile diplomat from India, i mean where the hell did Pakistan appreciated the the 26/11??

Pakistan has never ever supported any act of terror any where in the World, so think before shooting through ur key board...

As for Taliban, Tell me how is Taliban in Afgh flourishing without any local support & what has NATO & US done to win hearts & mind of people of Afgh, NATO bombs civilians thats called 'Collateral damage' & forgotten

 

[King Julien]

Can someone provide actual CNN link?

Tharoor's statement is absolutely correct, I mean after 26/11 tell me one Pakistani minister who didn't link 26/11 to Kashmir during their TV interview? Didn't they all hinted that 26/11 could have been avoided had Kashmir Issue been resolved?
Even here, If you go through 26/11 threads, post's from Pakistani members directly blame Kashmir dispute to be the reason for Mumbai attacks; what should this attitude of Pakistanis convey India?

This statement of Shashi Tharoor has come at a time when Pakistan is trying hard to fight militancy and terrorism and the whole Pakistani nation is united to eliminate the terrorists and militants for good

Isn't that Pakistan's problem? wasn't India for all these years yelling to world that Pakistan must close down these terror Infrastructure???

 

[Skeptic]

This statement of Shashi Tharoor has come at a time when Pakistan is trying hard to fight militancy and terrorism and the whole Pakistani nation is united to eliminate the terrorists and militants for good.

From what I witness, there is a clear division of Opinion about the current SW operation. We have people being labeled as "Terrorist Sympathizers" and banned on this forum itself. Nawaz Sharif (currently the most popular leader) is yet to come out in support of the operation. The claim of having "whole Pakistani nation is united to eliminate the terrorists and militants for good" seems a little hollow, just because of multi-layered definition of terrorist as pointed out by Mr. Tharoor.
First there is a division in descending order based on the size of the group.
1. Those who think terrorists causing trouble within India, killing innocent civilians and claiming Kashmir Liberation as their agenda are not terrorists.
2. Those who still beleive in the theory of Good and Bad Taliban
3. Those who think TTP is just a reactionary action to US drone attacks
4. Those who need to term TTP as Indian agent to garner the moral courage to oppose them.
5. Those who support TTP

the terrorists and the terrorists, in return, have unleashed top level terror against Pakistanis. They are killing soldiers, policemen, women children and in the last display, they targeted innocent students of a University in Islamabad. The entire nation of Pakistan, from Khyber to Karachi is in pain and anguish and has condemned terrorism in all its forms and manifestations in any part of the world. But Mr. Tharoor thinks the other way around.

Yes they are, but who gave them the time to regroup and acquire resources by making peace deals. Deals were made because they had public support. The terror attacks would have been avoided / reduced if the action was taken earlier. Pakistan was aware of the threat but its inability to act till country's writ was directly challenged raises some suspicion.

with this mindset, he had been doing to Pakistanis in particular and Muslims In genera

nominated such a biased and anti-Pakistan and anti-Muslim minded person.

What has Pakistan got to do with treatment of Muslim in general??? Are you (the author) claiming that attitude towards Pakistan reflects a person's attitude towards muslims?? Indian muslim want nothing to do with Pakistan and their treatment of Muslims is perfectly fair and compassionate.
How does these comment make him anti-muslim?? Do I smell a rant?

he Daily Mail would like to ask the gentleman that on the basis of what evidence or proof he dared to say that Pakistanis or certain elements in Pakistan appreciated the act of terror that took place in Mumbai or they consider them as “The Good Terrorists”?

stated above. And complete denial of Mumbai being an act of Pakistani non-state actors (fact accepted by govt) and Mumbai being an act of RAW ar both indicative of that. If i remember correctly we had a survey mentioning 75% pakistanis stating that even after GoP accepted Kasab was a Pakistani citizen.

Was there any private or official statement in this direction?

Obviously private. It was a personal interview.

Was there any public demonstration in support of Mumbai attackers in any part of Pakistan? Was there any circle of Pakistani media found in support or appreciation of Mumbai attackers? Was there any statement, printed or broadcaster on any of the Pakistani newspaper or TV Channel, released by any extremist group or individual in order to portray Mumbai attackers as “The Good Terrorists”? Everybody in Pakistan, belonging to all walks of life, condemned the Mumbai carnage just they way they condemned the Marriot blast in Islamabad and this is on the record and the whole world and global media community are witness to it.

Stated above.

Everybody in Pakistan, belonging to all walks of life, condemned the Mumbai carnage just they way they condemned the Marriot blast in Islamabad and this is on the record and the whole world and global media community are witness to it.

Yeah and blamed both on RAW.

No one from any part of the world has alleged that any body in Pakistan did appreciate the Mumbai terror attack and termed the terrorists as “The Good Terrorists”. Then why Shahshi Tharoor has said so? Why has he tried generate hatred amongst the Indians towards Pakistanis by such an absurd and insane statement, to prove which, he does not have even an iota of evidence? It is very unfortunate that such a highly irresponsible statement has come out from none else but the person was otherwise supposed to be leading the world’s top peace and mediation office. Why is he trying to sow the seeds of poison and hatred amongst the generations to come through such devilish practices?

repetitive and boring

The Daily Mail believes that the whole Shashi Tharoor episode with the CNN, proves no point but that this is the mindset of Indian government towards Pakistan. Tharoor’s views simply reflect what the Indian politicians and bureaucracy think about Pakistan government and Pakistani nation. The Daily Mail is of the firm opinion that with this mindset on part of New Delhi, there appears to be no chance of a lasting peace between Pakistan and India and all efforts of Islamabad in this direction are set to go down the drain.

I believe that Daily Mail has nothing better to do than to see a private interview, twisting comments and making stupid inferences. Oh wait, thats what media is supposed to do rite....

 

[navtrek]

Nice questions in the end.The article is reflecting the minds or views of Pakistani people and we appreciate that

But have u guys ever wondered what an ordinary Indian feels about 26/11. We are waiting still to see the Pakistani judiciary take some decisions on the perpetrators its almost an year now, Seven dossiers of information rubbished as worthless.

Just imagine what anyone in any part of the word is forced to think ?

Coming back to Shashi Tharoor

he was the official candidate of India for the office of United Nations Secretary-General, and came second out of seven official candidates in the race. He is also a prolific author, columnist, journalist, human-rights advocate, humanitarian and adviser or fellow of various institutions, including the International Committee of the Red Cross, the Aspen Institute, and the USC Center on Public Diplomacy.

In January 1998, he was named by the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, as a “Global Leader of Tomorrow.”

In 1976, at age 20, he won the Rajika Kripalani Young Journalist Award for the Best Indian Journalist under 30.

He also worked in the UN i feel with his experience with all the jobs he has done & places he has gone. And still has an opinion like that then there has to be some truth.

I know most of u would deny it for a second think only as a human being and not with nationalism.

 

[navtrek]

Universal Dilemma ​

 

[vsdoc]

We Indians feel the mindset of Delhi towards Islamabad is actually pretty balanced and responsible, especially post 26/11, so a lil less of the "indignant outrage" tadka of "here I'm busting my ***, and you have the gall of not appreciating my honest endevours" please Babar saab ..... its getting tiresome now.

Every day that goes by with Pakistan battling its internal demons and India waiting patiently by the side for Pakistan to be done and re-engage, without taking what many would argue to be rightful advantage of the situation, adds to international brownie points for India in the "responsible regional superpower/big brother" stakes.

Sound-bites do not kill, bullets/bombs do editor-in-chief saab.

Cheers, Doc

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Nice questions in the end.The article is reflecting the minds or views of Pakistani people and we appreciate that

But have u guys ever wondered what an ordinary Indian feels about 26/11. We are waiting still to see the Pakistani judiciary take some decisions on the perpetrators its almost an year now, Seven dossiers of information rubbished as worthless.

Just imagine what anyone in any part of the word is forced to think ?

& we have told u soooooooo many Times that there is not enuf evidence to convict any one, Indians are changing their statements every now & then First the master mind was Lakhvi now the master mind is Hafiz Saeed...
Once in Sharm Al Sheikh the PM has different stance but once in India he Changes completely..
It has become habit of Indian officials to give irresponsible statements e.g. some time back Indian PM had credible evidence that attacks in India are about to be carried out & at that very moment Pak demanded info but then Chidu said that they don't have any info, Even Indian PM is not sure about what he is saying

 

[Skeptic]

& we have told u soooooooo many Times that there is not enuf evidence to convict any one, Indians are changing their statements every now & then First the master mind was Lakhvi now the master mind is Hafiz Saeed...

Picking soft targets now??

Once in Sharm Al Sheikh the PM has different stance but once in India he Changes completely..

Can you notify the change in stance?? In the joint statement it was mentioned Prime Minister Gilani mentioned that Pakistan has some information on threats in Balochistan and other areas.

Where does a question of indian stand arise???

It has become habit of Indian officials to give irresponsible statements e.g. some time back Indian PM had credible evidence that attacks in India are about to be carried out & at that very moment Pak demanded info but then Chidu said that they don't have any info, Even Indian PM is not sure about what he is saying

Do you plan to back-up your statements with some evidence or just scream at top of lung hoping someone beleives??

 

[garibnawaz]

& we have told u soooooooo many Times that there is not enuf evidence to convict any one, Indians are changing their statements every now & then First the master mind was Lakhvi now the master mind is Hafiz Saeed...
Once in Sharm Al Sheikh the PM has different stance but once in India he Changes completely..
It has become habit of Indian officials to give irresponsible statements e.g. some time back Indian PM had credible evidence that attacks in India are about to be carried out & at that very moment Pak demanded info but then Chidu said that they don't have any info, Even Indian PM is not sure about what he is saying

Ajmal Kasab is not a Pakistani name.
There is no such village or district in Pakistan.
Ajmal Kasab is a hindu since he is wearing some thread in his hand.
Ohhh wait we just found his village.
JuD is a charitable organization.
Pakistan has nothing to do with 26/11.
Ohh we also find Kasab's parents. Even his villagers identified him.
Ok. Kasab is ours and a Pakistani muslim. So what? He was kidnapped by RAW from Nepal.
Lakhvi and Hafiz saeed are Hazrat's.
Fine Kasab travelled to India via Karachi but we have nothing to do with it.
JuD is declared as tererrist organization and banned at UN. (No Chinese VETO).
Ok. 26/11 was planned in Pakistan.
Lakhvi and Hafiz Saeed are under arrest. We assure punishment for all those who are responsible.
26/11 was planned in Pakistan by non state actors.
No evidence against Lakhvi and Saeed. We stand by our earlier statement that both are Hazrat.
Indian proofs not enough.
Once again Lakhvi and Saeed are Hazrat.
26/11 judge wants to quit the trial.

And the show goes on and on and on..........................

 

[r3alist]

india is patiently waiting by.....having a chuckle with all the good work it has done in destabilising pakistan!!

 

[vsdoc]

india is patiently waiting by.....having a chuckle with all the good work it has done in destabilising pakistan!!

To what end?

I would buy your contention were Pakistan a conventional weapon state.

But an unstable nuclear Pakistan is not in India's interest.

You do not turn up the flame under a pressure cooker with a faulty rubber gasket ..... and then wait for the "teesri seetee"!!

I'm sure even you would see that past the conspiracy-theory haze and the anti-India-rhetoric blinkers.

Cheers, Doc

 

[garibnawaz]

india is patiently waiting by.....having a chuckle with all the good work it has done in destabilising pakistan!!

Pakistan had to send 10 men in order to do 26/11.

How many India has sent in Pakistan till date?

If your own people (the taliban you supported and recognized) are turned up against you how come its our fault?

Till 2001 your country (along with UAE and Saudi) recognized Taliban. Funded them, trained them.

Post 9/11 overnight turned against them.

How come India has something to do with this?

Don't blame India for your internal blunders.

As Vsdoc said we have no interest in a destabalized Pakistan as it hurts us more.

GB

 

[garibnawaz]

I sincerely advice fellow indian members not to get into any argument with the pakistani members regarding terrorism.U might have understood what I mean eh? Lets getaway with what we have.

We clearly saw the response of GOP regarding the 26/11 issue even after million proofs were submitted.And even though no action is taken means? either terrorists might be running the gov or the gov might be the part of these terrorist gang.

We are here to share our views/Knowledge for which sometimes we get into healthy debate.

If you don't reply on a particular post it is like you (and apparently everyone) agree with the poster.

Sometimes you have to remind the old saying. When you point a finger towards someone your own 3 fingers are towards you.

GB