Shadowing F-22 Raptor – China Plans To Turn Its Low-Cost Satellites Into Spy Platforms That Can Even Track Fighter Jets

[beijingwalker]

Shadowing F-22 Raptor – China Plans To Turn Its Low-Cost Satellites Into Spy Platforms That Can Even Track Fighter Jets​

By Ashish Dangwal
- April 8, 2022
China is reportedly developing an advanced artificial intelligence system that could turn low-cost commercial satellites already orbiting the Earth into potent spy platforms. Reports suggest that it may have a success rate roughly seven times greater than existing technology.

This system is being developed by Chinese military researchers, who say that it is capable of tracking moving objects as small as a car with extraordinary precision, reported Chinese media.

The challenge of distinguishing a target via satellite footage was illustrated in 2020 when a Chinese space company released a video clip taken by Jilin-1, a small satellite. The satellite was presumably pursuing a cruising fighter jet from an altitude of almost 500km (310 miles).

Changguang Satellite, the manufacturer of the Jilin-1 Satellite, released that footage, which was extensively shared on Chinese social media platforms. A fighter plane can be seen flying over the city in the video. The company also put a caption beneath the video, allowing internet users to identify the fighter’s type.

Many internet users speculated that the fighter jet was most likely the US-made F-22 stealth fighter. Its horizontal tail and wing were similar to those of the F-22 fighter, leading to the assumption. This entire predicament was ostensibly the catalyst for the development of new technology. The plane in the video was approximately 20 meters (65 feet) in length.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1306917888910151681

The commercial satellite’s camera, which has a resolution of around 1-meter, would only produce a few pixels of the small target. It is even more difficult to recognize an object when there are fewer details in the image.

Since each frame of the satellite footage encompassed more than 10 square kilometers, a small target like a car could fade into the background or be confused with other cars. This will probably make tracking its path from orbit virtually impossible.

The Chinese team claimed that its new AI technology had attained 95% precision in finding a small object in the videos recorded by Jilin-1, with a success rate approximately seven times greater than existing technology.

Lin Cunbao, a researcher from the People’s Liberation Army’s Space Engineering University in Beijing, and his colleagues made these claims.

The Issue With Existing Technology ​

Jilin-1 was China’s first commercial Earth observation satellite. It was launched on 7 October 2015. The Jilin-1 weighed less than 100kg, compared to standard spy satellites that carry a large telescope (220 pounds). It orbits the Earth at a low altitude, which allows it to achieve higher resolution. However, it can only stay over an area for a short time.

After the first Jilin satellite was launched, approximately 40 more joined the family to establish a global monitoring network capable of detecting a wide range of signals, from visible light to heat traces, at practically any time, anyplace.

In the near future, the constellation is projected to be expanded to 138 satellites, allowing for high-resolution imagery and considerable commercial service. Despite their strengths, Lin claims that most commercial satellites would be unable to pursue a small moving target due to technical limitations.

Chinese Remote sensing satellites – Chang Guang Satellite Technology via CGTN

A satellite video stream, which typically records roughly 15 frames per second, has a far lower resolution than a motionless picture taken by the same camera. Due to the obvious satellite’s high speed, practically everything in the video is moving, such as buildings and their shadows, leaving standard technologies built to identify motion against a fixed landscape less efficient.

The flexibility of vehicles on the ground to stop unexpectedly, make a quick turn, or move under a bridge or through a tunnel adds more complexity to the process. According to the researchers, even a well-trained AI program could lose track of its subject if half or all of an object vanishes.

How Will The New Technology Work? ​

Upon losing the target, the AI used to conclude it had got it wrong and input the negative information into the learning process, which would drastically lower its overall effectiveness.

Lin’s team claimed to have created a more trustworthy AI based on a traditional machine learning algorithm that had only obtained about 14% success in analyzing satellite video prior to the
team’s improvements.

Additionally, When the target was temporarily hidden in the new iteration, the machine did not second-guess itself. Rather, based on previous experience, it would predict the target’s possible position and resume tracking along the path it anticipated the target would travel. The Chinese researchers claimed that the new technology could reclaim the target as soon as it resurfaced as a result of this system modification.

File Image: Chinese Space Station

Currently, visual data from the satellite must be relayed to a ground station or communication relay satellite nearby and analyzed by a powerful computer, resulting in a considerable time delay if the target is on the other side of the planet.

According to academics working in these initiatives, some new Chinese Earth observation satellites deployed in recent years contain processors that may be loaded with the newest AI algorithm to autonomously detect and track moving targets in real-time without any ground support.

China has made significant progress in space in recent years and is already working on other initiatives to broadcast high-definition video from orbit.

As previously reported by EurAsian Times, China will soon launch the Luojia-3 01 satellite which will test a novel technology that might provide smartphone users reasonably close access to high-definition cameras in space.

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[Viet]

Shadowing F-22 Raptor – China Plans To Turn Its Low-Cost Satellites Into Spy Platforms That Can Even Track Fighter Jets​

By Ashish Dangwal
- April 8, 2022
China is reportedly developing an advanced artificial intelligence system that could turn low-cost commercial satellites already orbiting the Earth into potent spy platforms. Reports suggest that it may have a success rate roughly seven times greater than existing technology.

This system is being developed by Chinese military researchers, who say that it is capable of tracking moving objects as small as a car with extraordinary precision, reported Chinese media.

The challenge of distinguishing a target via satellite footage was illustrated in 2020 when a Chinese space company released a video clip taken by Jilin-1, a small satellite. The satellite was presumably pursuing a cruising fighter jet from an altitude of almost 500km (310 miles).

Changguang Satellite, the manufacturer of the Jilin-1 Satellite, released that footage, which was extensively shared on Chinese social media platforms. A fighter plane can be seen flying over the city in the video. The company also put a caption beneath the video, allowing internet users to identify the fighter’s type.

Many internet users speculated that the fighter jet was most likely the US-made F-22 stealth fighter. Its horizontal tail and wing were similar to those of the F-22 fighter, leading to the assumption. This entire predicament was ostensibly the catalyst for the development of new technology. The plane in the video was approximately 20 meters (65 feet) in length.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1306917888910151681

The commercial satellite’s camera, which has a resolution of around 1-meter, would only produce a few pixels of the small target. It is even more difficult to recognize an object when there are fewer details in the image.

Since each frame of the satellite footage encompassed more than 10 square kilometers, a small target like a car could fade into the background or be confused with other cars. This will probably make tracking its path from orbit virtually impossible.

The Chinese team claimed that its new AI technology had attained 95% precision in finding a small object in the videos recorded by Jilin-1, with a success rate approximately seven times greater than existing technology.

Lin Cunbao, a researcher from the People’s Liberation Army’s Space Engineering University in Beijing, and his colleagues made these claims.

The Issue With Existing Technology ​

Jilin-1 was China’s first commercial Earth observation satellite. It was launched on 7 October 2015. The Jilin-1 weighed less than 100kg, compared to standard spy satellites that carry a large telescope (220 pounds). It orbits the Earth at a low altitude, which allows it to achieve higher resolution. However, it can only stay over an area for a short time.

After the first Jilin satellite was launched, approximately 40 more joined the family to establish a global monitoring network capable of detecting a wide range of signals, from visible light to heat traces, at practically any time, anyplace.

In the near future, the constellation is projected to be expanded to 138 satellites, allowing for high-resolution imagery and considerable commercial service. Despite their strengths, Lin claims that most commercial satellites would be unable to pursue a small moving target due to technical limitations.

Chinese Remote sensing satellites – Chang Guang Satellite Technology via CGTN

A satellite video stream, which typically records roughly 15 frames per second, has a far lower resolution than a motionless picture taken by the same camera. Due to the obvious satellite’s high speed, practically everything in the video is moving, such as buildings and their shadows, leaving standard technologies built to identify motion against a fixed landscape less efficient.

The flexibility of vehicles on the ground to stop unexpectedly, make a quick turn, or move under a bridge or through a tunnel adds more complexity to the process. According to the researchers, even a well-trained AI program could lose track of its subject if half or all of an object vanishes.

How Will The New Technology Work? ​

Upon losing the target, the AI used to conclude it had got it wrong and input the negative information into the learning process, which would drastically lower its overall effectiveness.

Lin’s team claimed to have created a more trustworthy AI based on a traditional machine learning algorithm that had only obtained about 14% success in analyzing satellite video prior to the
team’s improvements.

Additionally, When the target was temporarily hidden in the new iteration, the machine did not second-guess itself. Rather, based on previous experience, it would predict the target’s possible position and resume tracking along the path it anticipated the target would travel. The Chinese researchers claimed that the new technology could reclaim the target as soon as it resurfaced as a result of this system modification.

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File Image: Chinese Space Station

Currently, visual data from the satellite must be relayed to a ground station or communication relay satellite nearby and analyzed by a powerful computer, resulting in a considerable time delay if the target is on the other side of the planet.

According to academics working in these initiatives, some new Chinese Earth observation satellites deployed in recent years contain processors that may be loaded with the newest AI algorithm to autonomously detect and track moving targets in real-time without any ground support.

China has made significant progress in space in recent years and is already working on other initiatives to broadcast high-definition video from orbit.

As previously reported by EurAsian Times, China will soon launch the Luojia-3 01 satellite which will test a novel technology that might provide smartphone users reasonably close access to high-definition cameras in space.

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Not so easy
If easy then every country with some sat tech can do it.
Those satellites do visual capturing of flying objects. But before they can do that they must detect the objects, How can those sats see where F35 are flying when the planes are not emitting signatures?

 

[FuturePAF]

Not so easy
If easy then every country with some sat tech can do it.
Those satellites do visual capturing of flying objects. But before they can do that they must detect the objects, How can those sats see where F35 are flying when the planes are not emitting signatures?

Other sensors (OTH radars most likely) probably detect but can’t track fighters, locating the approximate location, they hand it off to these satellites to localize and track the fighters, relating the data to commanders on the ground. With enough supercomputers, satellites, high bandwidth communication networks and well trained AI, it becomes more and more likely.

Satellites probably also follow the wake created by the planes, ruling out civilian planes with flight tracking transponders. There is probably also a way to detect the sound created by planes from looking at a video. Couple that with a full light spectrum satellites, and you have multiple ways to not only detect and track a fighter, but probably even confirm weapons launches against your own fighters, allowing fighters to have advanced warning of an incoming missile they need to avoid.

 

[IblinI]

Not so easy
If easy then every country with some sat tech can do it.
Those satellites do visual capturing of flying objects. But before they can do that they must detect the objects, How can those sats see where F35 are flying when the planes are not emitting signatures?

I thought you are old enough to not think linearly.

 

[beijingwalker]

Not so easy
If easy then every country with some sat tech can do it.

Not every country has a space station and so many satelites orbitting the earth , actually now Only China has an independent space station in the whole world.

 

[MH.Yang]

Not so easy
If easy then every country with some sat tech can do it.
Those satellites do visual capturing of flying objects. But before they can do that they must detect the objects, How can those sats see where F35 are flying when the planes are not emitting signatures?

Jilin-1 is a high-resolution optical remote sensing satellite network. Jilin No.1 Project began in 2017, it uses the latest optical technology and satellites.

It is a satellite network composed of 138 satellites, which was originally used to distinguish the types of trees in the forest.

I'm afraid not every country can do such a satellite project.

Moreover, we are not going to use jilin-1 satellite network to deal with 5G fighters, but quantum satellites and quantum radar.

China’s quantum satellite enables first totally secure long-range messages

The Micius satellite has enabled messages with unbreakable encryption to be sent 1,200km.

www.google.com

 

[beijingwalker]

Jilin-1 is a high-resolution optical remote sensing satellite network. Jilin No.1 Project began in 2017, it uses the latest optical technology and satellites.

It is a satellite network composed of 138 satellites, which was originally used to distinguish the types of trees in the forest.

I'm afraid not every country can do such a satellite project.

Moreover, we are not going to use jilin-1 satellite network to deal with 5G fighters, but quantum satellites and quantum radar.

China’s quantum satellite enables first totally secure long-range messages

The Micius satellite has enabled messages with unbreakable encryption to be sent 1,200km.

www.google.com

China's small Beijing-3 satellite can take high-resolution images of US cities within seconds, a speed its American counterparts can't match, scientists say​

China's small Beijing-3 satellite can take high-resolution images of US cities within seconds, a speed its American counterparts can't match, scientists say

The Beijing-3 captured high-definition images over a 1,470 square-mile area of the San Francisco Bay — within 42 seconds, Chinese scientists said.

www.insider.com

 

[My-Analogous]

Shadowing F-22 Raptor – China Plans To Turn Its Low-Cost Satellites Into Spy Platforms That Can Even Track Fighter Jets​

By Ashish Dangwal
- April 8, 2022
China is reportedly developing an advanced artificial intelligence system that could turn low-cost commercial satellites already orbiting the Earth into potent spy platforms. Reports suggest that it may have a success rate roughly seven times greater than existing technology.

This system is being developed by Chinese military researchers, who say that it is capable of tracking moving objects as small as a car with extraordinary precision, reported Chinese media.

The challenge of distinguishing a target via satellite footage was illustrated in 2020 when a Chinese space company released a video clip taken by Jilin-1, a small satellite. The satellite was presumably pursuing a cruising fighter jet from an altitude of almost 500km (310 miles).

Changguang Satellite, the manufacturer of the Jilin-1 Satellite, released that footage, which was extensively shared on Chinese social media platforms. A fighter plane can be seen flying over the city in the video. The company also put a caption beneath the video, allowing internet users to identify the fighter’s type.

Many internet users speculated that the fighter jet was most likely the US-made F-22 stealth fighter. Its horizontal tail and wing were similar to those of the F-22 fighter, leading to the assumption. This entire predicament was ostensibly the catalyst for the development of new technology. The plane in the video was approximately 20 meters (65 feet) in length.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1306917888910151681

The commercial satellite’s camera, which has a resolution of around 1-meter, would only produce a few pixels of the small target. It is even more difficult to recognize an object when there are fewer details in the image.

Since each frame of the satellite footage encompassed more than 10 square kilometers, a small target like a car could fade into the background or be confused with other cars. This will probably make tracking its path from orbit virtually impossible.

The Chinese team claimed that its new AI technology had attained 95% precision in finding a small object in the videos recorded by Jilin-1, with a success rate approximately seven times greater than existing technology.

Lin Cunbao, a researcher from the People’s Liberation Army’s Space Engineering University in Beijing, and his colleagues made these claims.

The Issue With Existing Technology ​

Jilin-1 was China’s first commercial Earth observation satellite. It was launched on 7 October 2015. The Jilin-1 weighed less than 100kg, compared to standard spy satellites that carry a large telescope (220 pounds). It orbits the Earth at a low altitude, which allows it to achieve higher resolution. However, it can only stay over an area for a short time.

After the first Jilin satellite was launched, approximately 40 more joined the family to establish a global monitoring network capable of detecting a wide range of signals, from visible light to heat traces, at practically any time, anyplace.

In the near future, the constellation is projected to be expanded to 138 satellites, allowing for high-resolution imagery and considerable commercial service. Despite their strengths, Lin claims that most commercial satellites would be unable to pursue a small moving target due to technical limitations.

Chinese Remote sensing satellites – Chang Guang Satellite Technology via CGTN

A satellite video stream, which typically records roughly 15 frames per second, has a far lower resolution than a motionless picture taken by the same camera. Due to the obvious satellite’s high speed, practically everything in the video is moving, such as buildings and their shadows, leaving standard technologies built to identify motion against a fixed landscape less efficient.

The flexibility of vehicles on the ground to stop unexpectedly, make a quick turn, or move under a bridge or through a tunnel adds more complexity to the process. According to the researchers, even a well-trained AI program could lose track of its subject if half or all of an object vanishes.

How Will The New Technology Work? ​

Upon losing the target, the AI used to conclude it had got it wrong and input the negative information into the learning process, which would drastically lower its overall effectiveness.

Lin’s team claimed to have created a more trustworthy AI based on a traditional machine learning algorithm that had only obtained about 14% success in analyzing satellite video prior to the
team’s improvements.

Additionally, When the target was temporarily hidden in the new iteration, the machine did not second-guess itself. Rather, based on previous experience, it would predict the target’s possible position and resume tracking along the path it anticipated the target would travel. The Chinese researchers claimed that the new technology could reclaim the target as soon as it resurfaced as a result of this system modification.

View attachment 832193
File Image: Chinese Space Station

Currently, visual data from the satellite must be relayed to a ground station or communication relay satellite nearby and analyzed by a powerful computer, resulting in a considerable time delay if the target is on the other side of the planet.

According to academics working in these initiatives, some new Chinese Earth observation satellites deployed in recent years contain processors that may be loaded with the newest AI algorithm to autonomously detect and track moving targets in real-time without any ground support.

China has made significant progress in space in recent years and is already working on other initiatives to broadcast high-definition video from orbit.

As previously reported by EurAsian Times, China will soon launch the Luojia-3 01 satellite which will test a novel technology that might provide smartphone users reasonably close access to high-definition cameras in space.

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I write email to PAF about this idea 3 or 4 year back and share this idea to them. If China can do this then it means Pakistan will have it

 

[serenity]

This stuff was shown years ago. Jilin is just commercial grade.

Chinese military grade stuff don't just use visual spectrum and did similar stuff many years ago. Back then the leaks were about tracing US carriers against the ocean and locating them.

Now just SAR and many other forms of top secret remote sensing and observation satellites make this stuff look old as it is.

Also less than a handful of countries have even satellites comparable to Jilin series. Fewer than five countries in fact have developed and launched this type of satellite.

Just like few countries have SAR and also the other more sensitive and less known forms of observation and remote sensing types. Well for quantum radar and communications satellites so far only China has them.

In terms of tracing movements far from China during peacetime, these sort of tech is useful.

But during war weapons need to be guided and the networks of integrated anti-stealth radars are ultimately what is used against stealth aircraft.

 

[SaadH]

I write email to PAF about this idea 3 or 4 year back and share this idea to them. If China can do this then it means Pakistan will have it

Hell no, you think Chinese will now trust the deep seated relationship peddling rent a general of Pakistan going forward. Chinese would be fools of highest order and one thing chinese are certainly not and that us khhota biryani eating morons.

 

[Beast]

Not so easy
If easy then every country with some sat tech can do it.
Those satellites do visual capturing of flying objects. But before they can do that they must detect the objects, How can those sats see where F35 are flying when the planes are not emitting signatures?

Just becos you have poor capabilities and can't do it, doesn't mean all other are the same calibre like you and couldn't achieved more.

 

[serenity]

I write email to PAF about this idea 3 or 4 year back and share this idea to them. If China can do this then it means Pakistan will have it

This was already not only done more than 4 years ago but also shown in public. I didn't save the video but will try and find some.

This isn't that useful though. Not as useful as even the recent breakthrough high resolution short timespan satellite capability. That's at least better for intel gathering since no one else has a satellite that is as capable in that role as Beijing-3.

East Pendulum reported on it in 2017 but the video showing the satellite tracing a plane over a city background clutter has been taken down. The first of the satellites were launched in 2015 and a few videos shared years after that and then now they've been removed. Before that was SAR covering oceans to find carriers which with the right software is too easy it's a task for a single young engineer lol.

https://www-eastpendulum-com.transl...ch=http&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

I'd be surprised if US doesn't have similar tech.

In the military space, the really interesting and mysterious one is the Guanlan or "lightwave" to find submarines over 100m deep.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...satellite-spot-and-help-kill-submarines-33406

Really crappy source but in English it basically gets the major points correct on what is known in Chinese.

edit:

The old 2017 video looked similar to what's shown here but less grainy and not filmed of a screen.

It was a high resolution footage of from 0:50 onwards where satellite highlighted an aircraft and traced it as it flew. Similar to the box around in the link below of a forum post from 2020.

https://club.6parkbbs.com/military/index.php?app=forum&act=threadview&tid=16078271

They won't show the actual HMI from 2015's Jilin-1.

Hell no, you think Chinese will now trust the deep seated relationship peddling rent a general of Pakistan going forward. Chinese would be fools of highest order and one thing chinese are certainly not and that us khhota biryani eating morons.

Can you please explain what is happening in Pakistan with this IK and claims of foreign political meddling and coup? or something? Please a summary would be very appreciated. The main threads on this issue are confusing and filled with inside knowledge and language barriers. Could you explain it to an outsider in general please.

Thank you.

 

[SaadH]

Not so easy
If easy then every country with some sat tech can do it.
Those satellites do visual capturing of flying objects. But before they can do that they must detect the objects, How can those sats see where F35 are flying when the planes are not emitting signatures?

As long as it renders stealth irrelevant and useless it doesn't matter if everyone can do it.

 

[MH.Yang]

This stuff was shown years ago. Jilin is just commercial grade.

Chinese military grade stuff don't just use visual spectrum and did similar stuff many years ago. Back then the leaks were about tracing US carriers against the ocean and locating them.

Now just SAR and many other forms of top secret remote sensing and observation satellites make this stuff look old as it is.

Also less than a handful of countries have even satellites comparable to Jilin series. Fewer than five countries in fact have developed and launched this type of satellite.

Just like few countries have SAR and also the other more sensitive and less known forms of observation and remote sensing types. Well for quantum radar and communications satellites so far only China has them.

In terms of tracing movements far from China during peacetime, these sort of tech is useful.

But during war weapons need to be guided and the networks of integrated anti-stealth radars are ultimately what is used against stealth aircraft.

Imran Khan's JEM party is a relatively Populist Party, mainly Pashtuns in Khyber pakhtunkhwa province and young people in big cities. Therefore, its political position is more inclined to "religious nationalism".

It is anti American and pro Taliban, so it has a bad natural relationship with powerful family parties such as the Mu League and the people's party. In 2022, shabaz Sharif of the Mu League launched a motion of no confidence in Imran Khan, But it was rejected.

This incident happened suddenly. The president directly dissolved the parliament. I think that the contradiction between several large families in Pakistan broke out. We can't judge whether USA has intervened for the time being, because the attitude of the Muslim League and the military is more important.

However, this has little to do with China. Even during the Musharraf period, the relationship between China and Pakistan can remain stable. Musharraf is the most staunch pro american faction

 

[Viet]

As long as it renders stealth irrelevant and useless it doesn't matter if everyone can do it.

But how to detect F35 plane?
That is one million dollar question.

Other sensors (OTH radars most likely) probably detect but can’t track fighters, locating the approximate location, they hand it off to these satellites to localize and track the fighters, relating the data to commanders on the ground. With enough supercomputers, satellites, high bandwidth communication networks and well trained AI, it becomes more and more likely.

Satellites probably also follow the wake created by the planes, ruling out civilian planes with flight tracking transponders. There is probably also a way to detect the sound created by planes from looking at a video. Couple that with a full light spectrum satellites, and you have multiple ways to not only detect and track a fighter, but probably even confirm weapons launches against your own fighters, allowing fighters to have advanced warning of an incoming missile they need to avoid.

Oth can’t detect F35.
I give you a challenge.
Imagine you want to shoot a video of a flying bird at night, in full darkness.
The only thing you have have a pocket lamp.

How to know where the bird is and in which direction it flying? You search the sky with pocket lamp?

Bird: f35
Lamp: radar
Darkness: stealth
Camera and human eyes: optical sensor and capturing