What's new

SFDR: India’s AWACS killer?

dani191

SENIOR MEMBER
Joined
Jul 10, 2017
Messages
4,781
Reaction score
-9
Country
Israel
Location
Israel
SFDR: India’s AWACS killer?
Published June 27, 2018 | By admin
SOURCE: MANJUNATH REDDY/ FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG

DeiaxhaX0AALCTL.jpg


In a major breakthrough in missile technology, India recently tested a new missile system which has as the potential to be called as a big deal for the future of air warfare of India. Solid Fuel Ducted Ramjet (SFDR) is joint development project between India and Russia which in past have produced world’s deadliest Mach-3 capable Supersonic BrahMos Cruise Missiles system and SFDR will again be next major milestone system coming out of the strategic defense relationship which both India and Russia have.

SFDR will come with an advanced propulsion system having thrust modulation using hot gas flow controller. What impressive is claimed range of the Air-launched Tactical Missiles which doesn’t make it regular long-range Air-to-Air Missile but it will birth of a new Next Generation Very long Tactical Air-to-Air Missile which will put India in a league of small countries like Russia, USA and China when system clears trials.

DRDO Claims SFDR will have a range of 120km at 8 km altitude and will have a near Mach 3 speed. SFDR at 15 km altitude will have double the range and will be around 300km against strategic high-value targets like AWACS, Flight refueler aircraft, and Maritime patrol aircraft when guided by Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS) or a ground-based electronic sensor.

SFDR is equally impressive at Sea levels and will have a range in excess of 60km against fast maneuvering targets which are three times more than what Astra BVRAAM can achieve at Sea levels.

What DRDO won’t spell out is that New Air-launched Tactical Missile is not a Regular BVRAAM but a Potent weapon which has the capabilities to take out High-Value targets even when they are heavily defended by fighter escorts even when flying deep inside its own airspace. SFDR will target force multipliers which can cripple even a vastly superior air force in the region.

Loss of even one force multiplier for rivals reduces the significant effect on the fighting capability of their air force and for smaller airforce like Pakistan it could be a death warrant similar to knocking out a rival in the first punch itself in a Boxing match.

While SFDR is compared to world’s best Beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) ” Meteor” in our media due to similarities to the use of propulsion sub-system which is a ram combustor with an integrated nozzleless booster, but for me it is a smaller version of framed Soviet-era Novator KS-172 “AWACS killer” which for long India and Russia were rumoured to be working on .

SFDR program no doubt will have a lot of spin-off projects and will lead to the development of other missile systems for India where the technology developed will make it into other missile systems but SFDR won’t be Astra MK-2 but will be a new Next Generation Very long Tactical Air-to-Air Missile developed specifically for strategic high-value targets but Astra MK-2 will do borrow a lot from SFDR program but to be mass produced and to keep cost low so that it can be used on various fighter jets of India it will do vary a lot but will be quite similar to modern Beyond-Visual air-to-air missiles.
http://idrw.org/sfdr-indias-awacs-killer/
 
. .
Still in stand off weapons range.

JF-17+Thunder+Pakistan+Air+Force+PAF+C-802A+Anti-ship+Missile+SD-10A+BVRAAM+PL-5E+II+WVRAAM++500+kg+LS-6+Satellite+Inertially+Guided+Bomb+LT-3+LT-2LS-500J+Laser++HAFER+H-4PGM+RAAD+MAR-1+%25286%2529.jpg


Second option for supersonic attack still in stand off weapons range.

JF-17+Thunder+Pakistan+Air+Force+PAF+C-802A+Anti-ship+Missile+SD-10A+BVRAAM+PL-5E+II+WVRAAM++500+kg+LS-6+Satellite+Inertially+Guided+Bomb+LT-3+LT-2LS-500J+Laser++HAFER+H-4PGM+RAAD+MAR-1+%25282%2529.jpg
 
. .
i wonder all the missels of india is with russia dont them develop alone?
Bcoz they are export models of already existing russian missiles.

brahmos? more like Yakhont p-800 oniks.

Still in stand off weapons range.

JF-17+Thunder+Pakistan+Air+Force+PAF+C-802A+Anti-ship+Missile+SD-10A+BVRAAM+PL-5E+II+WVRAAM++500+kg+LS-6+Satellite+Inertially+Guided+Bomb+LT-3+LT-2LS-500J+Laser++HAFER+H-4PGM+RAAD+MAR-1+%25286%2529.jpg


Second option for supersonic attack still in stand off weapons range.

JF-17+Thunder+Pakistan+Air+Force+PAF+C-802A+Anti-ship+Missile+SD-10A+BVRAAM+PL-5E+II+WVRAAM++500+kg+LS-6+Satellite+Inertially+Guided+Bomb+LT-3+LT-2LS-500J+Laser++HAFER+H-4PGM+RAAD+MAR-1+%25282%2529.jpg
RAAD II also in service now.
 
. . .
Wow.. so pakistan will counter an Air ti Air missile with A stand off missile. Genius

So you have better ideas? to counter? that is an AWACS killer so the missile is not that maneuverable and is non lethal for jets and stealth cruise missiles.
 
.
So you have better ideas? to counter? that is an AWACS killer so the missile is not that maneuverable and is non lethal for jets and stealth cruise missiles.
Okay, so first thing first.
A land-attack ALCM by its design will never fly as high as a Air to Air missile. Stealthier ALCM prefer a flight trajectory which makes them harder to detect, ie tarrin hugging. Also the fact that ALCM have targets on the ground makes it useless to fly extremely high, risking a detection.

An Air to Air missile like the one mentioned above will fly higher because it need to take-out target that are up in the sky. Like AWACS. These planes fly high because they want to maximize the radar coverage. These planes are not very manuverable as compared to say a fighter jet because they are much bigger. So they stay safe by operating from a distance and helping fighters find target and guiding their missiles to their targets.

BTW, thats the very basic reason why a ALCM does not make a good candidate for intercepting a Air to Air missile. There are million other reason but this is the most basic one.

The other reason is speed and maneuverability obviously, ALCM needs loiter capability at best but no capability to take very sharp turn. Also, it is not required for ALCM to be extremely fast. Infact the above shown ALCM is not even supersonic. All this for a very good reason. Their targets are mostly stationery. This is totally in contrast to a Air to Air missile of any sort, even the one mentioned above. They go fast, in multiple mach no range and they can sustain fast turns. All this because they are chasing a (relatively) fast moving target even if it is propeller based plane. A propeller based plane will still be fast moving and more maneuverable than a supply depot with a foundation 20 feet deep. So again, a totally different flight capability for a totally different goal.

In short, trying to hit a Air to Air missile with a ALCM is like intercepting bullets with a sword. That happens only in star-war movies.
 
Last edited:
.
BTW, thats the very basic reason why a ALCM does not make a good candidate for intercepting a Air to Air missile. There are million other reason but this is the most basic one.

lol my friend what are you smoking. I am not shooting down a Missile with ALCM. But rather the SAM battery with ALCM. ALCM can destroy the RADAR and Missile battery from a stand off range easily. RA'AD can **** any SAM because it is stealthy and train hugging the detection range is very less on ALCM that is why ALCM is used to attack SAM batteries. in the US attack on Syria the SAM were targeted with ALCM.
 
. .
lol my friend what are you smoking. I am not shooting down a Missile with ALCM. But rather the SAM battery with ALCM. ALCM can destroy the RADAR and Missile battery from a stand off range easily. RA'AD can **** any SAM because it is stealthy and train hugging the detection range is very less on ALCM that is why ALCM is used to attack SAM batteries. in the US attack on Syria the SAM were targeted with ALCM.
These are not going to be SAM batteries my friend, most likely these will be air to air missiles like Meteor or PL-21. Because AWACS and Fuel tanker will operate in air space controlled by friendly forces for obvious reasons. To stay away from harm. The goal of these kind of missiles is to intercept force multipliers like AWACS and Fuel tankers deep in enemy controlled air space. Hence very high range.
 
.
These are not going to be SAM batteries my friend, most likely these will be air to air missiles like Meteor or PL-21. Because AWACS and Fuel tanker will operate in air space controlled by friendly forces for obvious reasons. To say away from harm. The goal of these kind of missiles is to intercept force multipliers like AWACS and Fuel tankers deep in enemy controlled air space. Hence very high range.

My friend Indian surface to air missile is 120 range and Pakistani Air to surface missile RA'AD 1 is 350 range if your math is not weak just tell me who can kill who with safety?
 
.
My friend Indian surface to air missile is 120 range and Pakistani Air to surface missile RA'AD 1 is 350 range if your math is not weak just tell me who can kill who with safety?
I don't know which surface to air missile you are talking about, I thought the discussion in this thread was about SFDR.
 
.
I don't know which surface to air missile you are talking about, I though the discussion in this thread was about SFDR.

BTW, India has S-300. AFAIK, its range is in excess of 120 miles, ie 200 km.

S-300 is 200 km SFDR is 120 km and RA'AD is 350 km now who can kill who?
 
.

Pakistan Defence Latest Posts

Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom