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Новые МРК проекта 22800 "Каракурт" хотят оснастить китайскими двигателями
6 Сентября 2018 в 11:45 Тема: Промышленность
Source:https://flotprom.ru/2018/Импортозамещение18/
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New IRAs of project 22800 "Karakurt" want to equip with Chinese engines
6 September 2018 at 11:45 Theme: Industry
In Russia they are considering the possibility of equipping small missile ships of project 22800, the code "Karakurt", Chinese diesel engines. The corresponding proposal was sent to shipyards by the marine equipment supplier Marine Propulsion Systems ("MPS"). Mil.Press FlotProm was informed about this by an industry source familiar with the situation. Similar engines on ships and vessels of the Navy and the Border Guard Service of the Russian Federal Security Service have been broken at least four times.
We are talking about the supply of a propulsion system consisting of three diesel engines of Chinese production model CHD622V20CR with a capacity of 3600 kW each, three Rejnes reducers of the model WVS2240, and control systems. In addition, the "Ministry of Railways" offered to equip the "Karakurts" with three diesel-generator sets DGA-320-V-A1-IPS with a power of 320 kW each.
Diesel CHD622V20 manufactured by the Chinese company Henan Diesel Engine Industry Limited
victorygenerator.com/
The company did not respond to the request of the publication, posted on August 7. By phone representatives of the engine supplier from the PRC also could not comment on the situation.
RTOs of Project 22800 were designed at the Almaz Central Design Bureau. A senior source at the bureau, who asked to remain anonymous, told the publication that the design bureau had considered the technical specifications of the units offered by the "MPS", but no agreement has been reached yet. He added that theoretically the installation of Chinese diesel engines on ships is possible, but initially they were designed for the Russian engine.
"Karakurts" are built at the Leningrad shipyard "Pella" (in Otradnoye, Leningrad region, as well as on the Feodosia site of the enterprise) and at the Zelenodolsk plant. The laying of new ships of this type is also planned at the Amur Shipyard and the Eastern Shipyard. According to the publication, LLC "MPS" sent proposals for the supply of equipment to the Pella and the shipbuilding corporation AK BARS, which includes Zelenodolsky plant.
Sources at both enterprises noted that the design of the already formed MRK corps of project 22800 presupposes the installation of domestic M507A diesel engines. Equipping with Chinese engines will require a change in the design and subsequent reconstruction of the ships. The engine M507 was created in the Soviet years at the Leningrad diesel plant Zvezda.
Viktor Lesh, head of the JSC Zvezda Research and Production Concern, a joint venture of PJSC Zvezda and the Ural Diesel-Engine Plant (UDMZ, part of the STM) for the production of high-speed diesel engines, declined to comment on the possible supply of Chinese engines to the Karakurty. According to the publication, "Star" is now delaying the supply of engines M507 for the Navy. So, the term of release of several main marine diesel engines M-507D-1-OM3 for the MRK of the project 22800 "Karakurt" moved from 2017 to 2018, almost a year later, the DGAS-315 generators will also be prepared. As an informed source in the industry told the publication, because of the problems with the timing of engine production from the "Star", the military has to look for other options.
In addition to the Star itself, the Kingisepp Machine-Building Plant is going to produce such engines (KMZ, part of the Kalashnikov concern - Ed.). The company's general director Anatoly Rusin told the publication that the MRK of Project 22800 was originally designed specifically for Russian M507A engines. The use of Chinese diesel engines, he said, will worsen the technical characteristics of the ship. In addition, the speed set by the designer and the speed demanded by the customer when using engines from the PRC will also decrease. KMZ can produce 10 main marine engines M-507D-1 annually, added Rusin.
In August 2018, the head of the Ak Bars corporation, Renat Mistakhov, spoke in favor of import substitution of ship diesel engines. He believes Russian diesel engines for small Russian Navy missile ships are preferable to foreign ones: they are easier to maintain, repair and less problematic in terms of supplying spare parts. "We see what efforts on the" diesel "direction the Kingisepp Machine-Building Plant is undertaking, and also" Sinara "(we are talking about the Zvezda plant - Ed.)." At the same time, he stressed that the customer, in any case, decides on the issue of supplies based on his requirements for the characteristics of the ships.
In the summer of 2017, problems with the Chinese diesel CHD622V20 caused the failure of the timely transfer to the fleet of the Vyshniy Volochek MRK Project 21361 of the Buyan-M type. At the end of August 2018, a new similar diesel engine broke down on the "Impeccable", the new border patrol ship of project 22460. Two of the same engines in 2016 failed on ships built by the shipbuilding company Almaz. This information was confirmed to the journalist Mil.Press FlotProm by shipyard director Ilyaz Mukhutdinov. According to him, in both cases, the breakdown occurred for various reasons.
Mil.Press Help FlotProm
Small project rockets of the project 22800 were developed at the Almaz Central Design Bureau as an alternative for the delay in the construction of frigates for the 11356 project. In total, the fleet plans to receive up to 23 "Karakurts".
"Karakurts" are armed, in particular, with a modernized artillery caliber 76.2 mm AK-176MA and a strike missile system "Caliber-NK." Displacement of ships - 800 tons, speed - 30 knots, autonomy - 15 days.
More details about the successes and failures of import substitution, as well as other problems of Russian diesel engine building - in the Mil.Press FlotProm article "The Perpetual Motor: How Industry and the Navy are Looking for a Way Out of the Diesel Crisis."
The state and prospects in the field of production of high-speed diesel engines are discussed in another article in the publication "High Turnovers of the STD Failure: What the Diesel Diversification Will Give to the Fleet."
Launching of an MRK project 22800 "Shkval"
Mil.Press FlotProm, Dmitry Zhavoronkov
Dmitry Zhavoronkov
6 Сентября 2018 в 11:45 Тема: Промышленность
Source:https://flotprom.ru/2018/Импортозамещение18/
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New IRAs of project 22800 "Karakurt" want to equip with Chinese engines
6 September 2018 at 11:45 Theme: Industry
In Russia they are considering the possibility of equipping small missile ships of project 22800, the code "Karakurt", Chinese diesel engines. The corresponding proposal was sent to shipyards by the marine equipment supplier Marine Propulsion Systems ("MPS"). Mil.Press FlotProm was informed about this by an industry source familiar with the situation. Similar engines on ships and vessels of the Navy and the Border Guard Service of the Russian Federal Security Service have been broken at least four times.
We are talking about the supply of a propulsion system consisting of three diesel engines of Chinese production model CHD622V20CR with a capacity of 3600 kW each, three Rejnes reducers of the model WVS2240, and control systems. In addition, the "Ministry of Railways" offered to equip the "Karakurts" with three diesel-generator sets DGA-320-V-A1-IPS with a power of 320 kW each.
Diesel CHD622V20 manufactured by the Chinese company Henan Diesel Engine Industry Limited
victorygenerator.com/
The company did not respond to the request of the publication, posted on August 7. By phone representatives of the engine supplier from the PRC also could not comment on the situation.
RTOs of Project 22800 were designed at the Almaz Central Design Bureau. A senior source at the bureau, who asked to remain anonymous, told the publication that the design bureau had considered the technical specifications of the units offered by the "MPS", but no agreement has been reached yet. He added that theoretically the installation of Chinese diesel engines on ships is possible, but initially they were designed for the Russian engine.
"Karakurts" are built at the Leningrad shipyard "Pella" (in Otradnoye, Leningrad region, as well as on the Feodosia site of the enterprise) and at the Zelenodolsk plant. The laying of new ships of this type is also planned at the Amur Shipyard and the Eastern Shipyard. According to the publication, LLC "MPS" sent proposals for the supply of equipment to the Pella and the shipbuilding corporation AK BARS, which includes Zelenodolsky plant.
Sources at both enterprises noted that the design of the already formed MRK corps of project 22800 presupposes the installation of domestic M507A diesel engines. Equipping with Chinese engines will require a change in the design and subsequent reconstruction of the ships. The engine M507 was created in the Soviet years at the Leningrad diesel plant Zvezda.
Viktor Lesh, head of the JSC Zvezda Research and Production Concern, a joint venture of PJSC Zvezda and the Ural Diesel-Engine Plant (UDMZ, part of the STM) for the production of high-speed diesel engines, declined to comment on the possible supply of Chinese engines to the Karakurty. According to the publication, "Star" is now delaying the supply of engines M507 for the Navy. So, the term of release of several main marine diesel engines M-507D-1-OM3 for the MRK of the project 22800 "Karakurt" moved from 2017 to 2018, almost a year later, the DGAS-315 generators will also be prepared. As an informed source in the industry told the publication, because of the problems with the timing of engine production from the "Star", the military has to look for other options.
In addition to the Star itself, the Kingisepp Machine-Building Plant is going to produce such engines (KMZ, part of the Kalashnikov concern - Ed.). The company's general director Anatoly Rusin told the publication that the MRK of Project 22800 was originally designed specifically for Russian M507A engines. The use of Chinese diesel engines, he said, will worsen the technical characteristics of the ship. In addition, the speed set by the designer and the speed demanded by the customer when using engines from the PRC will also decrease. KMZ can produce 10 main marine engines M-507D-1 annually, added Rusin.
In August 2018, the head of the Ak Bars corporation, Renat Mistakhov, spoke in favor of import substitution of ship diesel engines. He believes Russian diesel engines for small Russian Navy missile ships are preferable to foreign ones: they are easier to maintain, repair and less problematic in terms of supplying spare parts. "We see what efforts on the" diesel "direction the Kingisepp Machine-Building Plant is undertaking, and also" Sinara "(we are talking about the Zvezda plant - Ed.)." At the same time, he stressed that the customer, in any case, decides on the issue of supplies based on his requirements for the characteristics of the ships.
In the summer of 2017, problems with the Chinese diesel CHD622V20 caused the failure of the timely transfer to the fleet of the Vyshniy Volochek MRK Project 21361 of the Buyan-M type. At the end of August 2018, a new similar diesel engine broke down on the "Impeccable", the new border patrol ship of project 22460. Two of the same engines in 2016 failed on ships built by the shipbuilding company Almaz. This information was confirmed to the journalist Mil.Press FlotProm by shipyard director Ilyaz Mukhutdinov. According to him, in both cases, the breakdown occurred for various reasons.
Mil.Press Help FlotProm
Small project rockets of the project 22800 were developed at the Almaz Central Design Bureau as an alternative for the delay in the construction of frigates for the 11356 project. In total, the fleet plans to receive up to 23 "Karakurts".
"Karakurts" are armed, in particular, with a modernized artillery caliber 76.2 mm AK-176MA and a strike missile system "Caliber-NK." Displacement of ships - 800 tons, speed - 30 knots, autonomy - 15 days.
More details about the successes and failures of import substitution, as well as other problems of Russian diesel engine building - in the Mil.Press FlotProm article "The Perpetual Motor: How Industry and the Navy are Looking for a Way Out of the Diesel Crisis."
The state and prospects in the field of production of high-speed diesel engines are discussed in another article in the publication "High Turnovers of the STD Failure: What the Diesel Diversification Will Give to the Fleet."
Launching of an MRK project 22800 "Shkval"
Mil.Press FlotProm, Dmitry Zhavoronkov
Dmitry Zhavoronkov
