Seeing Bangladesh as burden was wrong: Pakistani PM Shehbaz Sharif

[TheSolution]

Bengalis rejected Pakistani identity

They were forced to reject it after facing institutional racism and being treated like second class citizens, otherwise they were all for it. Even today a lot of Bangladeshis are pro-Pakistan.

Treat anyone like shit and they'll have no choice but to lash out.

What we did was wrong but in the long-run it reaped benefits overall for Bengalis, I don't mean to be insensitive or support it, but we added an emotional base to their history to invoke nationalism. And the creation of Pakistan prevented them being swallowed by India and eventually creating Bangladesh.

Again I don't support what we did, but in my opinion I view short-term hardships for long-term vast benefits as a positive thing.

 

[TheSolution]

KP was still heavily affected. I group these places together becasue they were at the receiving end of geopolitical games Army was playing. Balochistan became victim of cat and mouse between establishment and greedy sardars. Same which we see in Sindh, except we don’t have an insurgency in Sindh.

Agreed, but I don't want to lump them all together as the context and dynamics is different for each, it's better to look at each one individually to have a better understanding so we can also find an effective solution.

 

[Menace2Society]

Bengalis rejected Pakistani identity

Because they are different people and thats okay. They deserve to have their own identity and land.

 

[mb444]

They were forced to reject it after facing institutional racism and being treated like second class citizens, otherwise they were all for it. Even today a lot of Bangladeshis are pro-Pakistan.

Treat anyone like shit and they'll have no choice but to lash out.

What we did was wrong but in the long-run it reaped benefits overall for Bengalis, I don't mean to be insensitive or support it, but we added an emotional base to their history to invoke nationalism. And the creation of Pakistan prevented them being swallowed by India and eventually creating Bangladesh.

Again I don't support what we did, but in my opinion I view short-term hardships for long-term vast benefits as a positive thing.

You did not assist in the creation of BD, we assisted in you having a country.

Muslim league of born in Dhaka, it was created to serve the needs of BD muslims. Bengal was the only place that muslim league had political power.

BD would have been born as an independent multi religious state or as pakistan. The first option was always on the table until we rejected it. At no point was historical trajectory one of BD gaining independence from GB under the umbrella of united India.

BD was never a hapless bystander to its fate, but if writing false narrative assists you that is fine.

 

[mb444]

Pakistan was an incubator for Bengali identity. If it wasn't for Jinnah and Pakistan it would be part of India.

You think India would let go of any territory? They raped Kashmiri women into submission, absolute evil.

Absolutely not, you have your history the wrong way around.

Jinnah additionally had zero following in Bengal.

Fortunately we are not Kashmeries. We had forced the british into creating the bengal presidency and ensuring there is no hindu domination prior to independence. Muslim leagues supremacy in Bengal was inbuilt and permanent.

BD did not have to support the PK movement to achieve independence.

 

[TheSolution]

Fortunately we are not Kashmeries. We had forced the british into creating the bengal presidency and ensuring there is no hindu domination prior to independence. Muslim leagues supremacy in Bengal was inbuilt and permanent.

You don't have any superior magical fighting spirit compared to Kashmiris, they've fought bravely and fiercely even till this day.

Unfortunately they just don't have the same geographical advantage you had, otherwise your situation would have been the same, likely worse.

 

[Sinnerman108]

I thank the Pakistani PM for saying positive things about Bangladesh.

But, it is not only today's Bangladesh exporting more than Pakistan. Even before 1971, it was east Pakistan that was exporting more than west Pakistan.

Jute was the main export item in those days. The market almost evaporated in the mid-70s when plastic products came to the market for use more in quantity and jute lost its glitters.

But, BD replaced jute with garments that glitter.

the primary difference is geographic location.

Pakistan is in an area, where a lot of powers are interested to maintain a footprint if not more.
Thus we have been in a state of constant war, since decades.

Soviet invasion made things only more evident, but it was the killing of liaqat ali khan that should have rang the bells.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Pakistan is in an area, where a lot of powers are interested to maintain a footprint if not more.
Thus we have been in a state of constant war, since decades.

Lol no, generals are interested in keeping it that way so they can get the aid and finesse it

They were forced to reject it after facing institutional racism and being treated like second class citizens, otherwise they were all for it. Even today a lot of Bangladeshis are pro-Pakistan.

Treat anyone like shit and they'll have no choice but to lash out.

What we did was wrong but in the long-run it reaped benefits overall for Bengalis, I don't mean to be insensitive or support it, but we added an emotional base to their history to invoke nationalism. And the creation of Pakistan prevented them being swallowed by India and eventually creating Bangladesh.

Again I don't support what we did, but in my opinion I view short-term hardships for long-term vast benefits as a positive thing.

Then you are admitting Pakistan and India would be two sides of the same coin for Bengalis.

Because they are different people and thats okay. They deserve to have their own identity and land.

So how did it “incubate” Bengali identity? Also “Pakistanis” aren’t a “people” but more so a nationality and an amalgamation of different ethnicities. Does each ethnicity in Pakistan deserves to “have their own identity” as per you?

 

[mb444]

You don't have any superior magical fighting spirit compared to Kashmiris, they've fought bravely and fiercely even till this day.

Unfortunately they just don't have the same geographical advantage you had, otherwise your situation would have been the same, likely worse.

I did not say anything to denigrate the Kashmeries and I agree the situation is not the same.

BD fight for muslim sovereignty is older than PK movement. We ensured muslim supremacy via the ballot box of the bengal presidency.

It was Shere-e-Bangla who presented the lahore resolution.

BD had the imense weight of its demographics as one of the largest nations of the subcontinent and clear and unambiguous desire to be a muslim nation. India could not then and can not now invade BD like it did to kashmir or hyderabad.

The three scenario is entirely different BD always had political power and size to go it alone.

The Nizam of Hyderabad neither had political power, nor population to do the same.

Whilst kashmir leadership choose india over PK. Why I do not know. The common Kashmiri i do not doubt wanted muslim sovereignty, why did it leadership betray the muslim cause? Common man can not be blamed but its leadership is responsible for its current and continued fate.

 

[BananaRepublicUK]

I did not say anything to denigrate the Kashmeries and I agree the situation is not the same.

BD fight for muslim sovereignty is older than PK movement. We ensured muslim supremacy via the ballot box of the bengal presidency.

It was Shere-e-Bangla who presented the lahore resolution.

BD had the imense weight of its demographics as one of the largest nations of the subcontinent and clear and unambiguous desire to be a muslim nation. India could not then and can not now invade BD like it did to kashmir or hyderabad.

The three scenario is entirely different BD always had political power and size to go it alone.

The Nizam of Hyderabad neither had political power, nor population to do the same.

Whilst kashmir leadership choose india over PK. Why I do not know. The common Kashmiri i do not doubt wanted muslim sovereignty, why did it leadership betray the muslim cause? Common man can not be blamed but its leadership is responsible for its current and continued fate.

Hinduvta was in your face in the early 20th century British India.

Hindus were discriminating Muslims even with British divide and rule.

Why some idiot Muslims thought Hindus would treat them better once the British left - is beyond my comprehension.

Muslims could have had the land mass to reflect their population - but for delusional idiots!!

Just imagine if our Sylheti ancestors had voted to join India!!

We would now curse them.

Sylhetis were the only people in British India who were given a choice.

And our forefathers overwhelmingly voted to join Pakistan.

We were patriotic Pakistanis until operation searchlight started indiscriminate killing.

Rest is history..,

 

[peagle]

Seeing Bangladesh as burden was wrong: Pakistani PM Shehbaz Sharif

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TBS Report
29 October, 2022, 09:05 am
Last modified: 29 October, 2022, 09:34 am

Pakistan Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif on Friday (28 October) said that it was wrong to consider Bangladesh a burden.

While addressing the passing out ceremony of the 48th Specialized Course of Police Service in Islamabad, Shehbaz Sharif advised all to learn from past mistakes, reported Minute Mirror.

He said, "The idea of abandoning Bangladesh was wrong, it should not have been separated from Pakistan. I am cautiously saying this because at the time the idea was that it is a burden, so take it off."

Shahbaz also noted that today Bangladesh is way ahead of Pakistan and their exports are more than that of Pakistan.

Speaking about seeking foreign aid, the Pak PM said, "We don't lack anything; I wish we didn't have to go to someone and ask."

"We have to live in this world, we cannot go everywhere asking for money, this is not politics or service, we need to learn from our mistakes and look ahead."

Seeing Bangladesh as burden was wrong: Shehbaz Sharif

Pakistan Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif on Friday (28 October) said that it was wrong to consider Bangladesh a burden. While addressing the passing out ceremony of the 48th Specialized Course of Police Service in Islamabad, Shehbaz Sharif advised all to learn from past mistakes, reported Minute...

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This guy is a cross between a monkey and a donkey, he really does not know how to speak.
Yup, just say all the worlds evils are on our head, all we ever did, done, and will do is fing bad. I hope he has a bloody heart attack and be done with it.




To my Bengali brothers,
this is not about you, this foul mouth f-up just doesn't know a thing. There's nothing wrong with making such statements but there has to be a context, it's a bloody police passing out parade, what kind of statement is that to make at such an occasion? fing teaching Pakistanis constantly that they are to blame for all the evils, completely childish and utterly stupid.

If he is sincere then book a bloody flight to Decca and make moves towards normalisation, one sided move is not good, I do not support it, but at least it's a movement towards something substantive. Statements like these just breed negatively.

 

[mb444]

Hinduvta was in your face in the early 20th century British India.

Hindus were discriminating Muslims even with British divide and rule.

Why some idiot Muslims thought Hindus would treat them better once the British left - is beyond my comprehension.

Muslims could have had the land mass to reflect their population - but for delusional idiots!!

Just imagine if our Sylheti ancestors had voted to join India!!

We would now curse them.

Sylhetis were the only people in British India who were given a choice.

And our forefathers overwhelmingly voted to join Pakistan.

We were patriotic Pakistanis until operation searchlight started indiscriminate killing.

Rest is history..,

No , sylheties were not the only one NWFP also voted in favour of Pakistan. You really need to remove the chip from your shoulder get away from this sylhety exceptionalism nonsense, it is incredibly tedious.

Sylheties are part and parcel of the muslims on the subcontinent and of BD. You have an unique identity but so does every other part of BD.

This guy is a cross between a monkey and a donkey, he really does not know how to speak.
Yup, just say all the worlds evils are on our head, all we ever did, done, and will do is fing bad. I hope he has a bloody heart attack and be done with it.




To my Bengali brothers,
this is not about you, this foul mouth f-up just doesn't know a thing. There's nothing wrong with making such statements but there has to be a context, it's a bloody police passing out parade, what kind of statement is that to make at such an occasion? fing teaching Pakistanis constantly that they are to blame for all the evils, completely childish and utterly stupid.

If he is sincere then book a bloody flight to Decca and make moves towards normalisation, one sided move is not good, I do not support it, but at least it's a movement towards something substantive. Statements like these just breed negatively.

BDs understand this was not directed at BD and it is for PKs internal consumption.

The rest of it is just chat between friends...

 

[BananaRepublicUK]

No , sylheties were not the only one NWFP also voted in favour of Pakistan. You really need to remove the chip from your shoulder get away from this sylhety exceptionalism nonsense, it is incredibly tedious.

Sylheties are part and parcel of the muslims on the subcontinent and of BD. You have an unique identity but so does every other part of BD.


BDs understand this was not directed at BD and it is for PKs internal consumption.

The rest of it is just chat between friends...

Sylhet was made a part of the non-regulation Chief Commissioner's Province of Assam (North-East Frontier) in order to facilitate Assam's commercial development.

This ultimately resulted in Sylhet losing Karimganj.

The bastard British can never be forgiven by Sylhetis.

Especially given it was done to civilise the savages in Assam.

We lost Karimganj and Assamese are still savages.

@UKBengali
@EasyNow

 

[bluesky]

This guy is a cross between a monkey and a donkey, he really does not know how to speak.
Yup, just say all the worlds evils are on our head, all we ever did, done, and will do is fing bad. I hope he has a bloody heart attack and be done with it.




To my Bengali brothers,
this is not about you, this foul mouth f-up just doesn't know a thing. There's nothing wrong with making such statements but there has to be a context, it's a bloody police passing out parade, what kind of statement is that to make at such an occasion? fing teaching Pakistanis constantly that they are to blame for all the evils, completely childish and utterly stupid.

If he is sincere then book a bloody flight to Decca and make moves towards normalisation, one sided move is not good, I do not support it, but at least it's a movement towards something substantive. Statements like these just breed negatively.

Not exactly what you are stating about your PM. He was talking in the presence of your military who forced east Pakistan to seccede and become independent of the west.

PA is doing similar things in Baluchistan every now and then. Probably, the PM was indirectly telling the PA about the possible pitfalls if the PA troops keep on doing similar things it did in 1971.

 

[Tom-tom]

Sylhet was made a part of the non-regulation Chief Commissioner's Province of Assam (North-East Frontier) in order to facilitate Assam's commercial development.

This ultimately resulted in Sylhet losing Karimganj.

The bastard British can never be forgiven by Sylhetis.

Especially given it was done to civilise the savages in Assam.

We lost Karimganj and Assamese are still savages.

@UKBengali
@EasyNow

Pls explain what British did to syhlet province?