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Instead of the Hindustan Turbo Trainer - 40, which Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd could build, export, overhaul, upgrade and even modify into a light-attack aircraft, powerful lobbies have promoted a Swiss trainer - the Pilatus PC-7 Mark II

Ajai Shukla | New Delhi
January 6, 2015
Last Updated at 23:00 IST

Prime Minister Narendra Modi's 'Make in India' vision faces powerful opposition, including within the military, which sees greater benefit in importing costly foreign weaponry.

This is evident from the successful scuttling of a Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) project for designing and building a basic trainer aircraft named the Hindustan Turbo Trainer - 40 (HTT-40) for training rookie pilots of the Indian Air Force (IAF). Instead of this aircraft, which HAL could build, export, overhaul, upgrade and even modify into a light-attack aircraft, powerful lobbies have promoted a Swiss trainer - the Pilatus PC-7 Mark II.

Business Standard has learnt, and the IAF has confirmed, that the MoD has directed HAL to close the HTT-40 project. Instead, HAL will build 106 PC-7 Mark II trainers in India.

In 2009, the ministry of defence (MoD) had ruled that the IAF's requirement of 181 trainers would be met through two simultaneous channels - 75 aircrafts will be bought from abroad while HAL designed and built 106 HTT-40 trainers in India.

Accordingly, the IAF contracted on May 24, 2012 with Pilatus for seventy-five PC-7 Mark II trainers for Swiss Francs 557 million (Rs 3,600 crore). With that done, the IAF began a shrill campaign demanding 106 more Pilatus in place of the HTT-40.

Business Standard has identified a four-pronged campaign that promoted the Pilatus trainer, while blocking the HTT-40 programme. This included a letter from a serving IAF chief to the defence minister that knowingly understated the cost of the Swiss trainer, to argue that the indigenous trainer is too expensive; a letter from a Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) member of parliament (MP) to the chief vigilance commissioner (CVC) alleging corruption in selecting an engine for the HTT-40, delaying the engine purchase; another letter from a shadowy non-governmental organisation (NGO) to the CVC, also alleging irregularities in HAL's engine selection and levelling charges against HAL's design chief; and repeated attempts by the IAF deputy chief, who sits on HAL's board, to choke off funding for the HTT-40.

CVC investigations have found no wrongdoing but the investigation has delayed HAL's purchase of an engine for the HTT-40. Such delays strengthens the IAF's case for buying more Pilatus.

Business Standard had earlier reported on the letter written by then IAF chief, Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne to then defence minister, A K Antony (July 25, 2013, 'Indian Air Force at war with Hindustan Aeronautics; wants to import, not build, a trainer', and July 31, 2013, 'Admissions & obfuscations in IAF clarification on BS reports'). Browne's five-page letter argued for scuttling the HTT-40 and buying more Pilatus, falsely stating that the Pilatus costs only Rs 30 crore per aircraft, significantly cheaper than the HTT-40. In fact, due to the rupee's decline, the IAF was paying Pilatus almost Rs 40 crore for each PC-7 Mark II trainer being delivered.

Browne also stated incorrectly that the Pilatus' cost would remain Rs 30 crore per aircraft till 2017. In fact, the next 38 trainers will cost Swiss Francs 6.09 million (Rs 39.3 crore today) each under the "options clause" of the contract. The cost of the following 68 aircrafts (adding up to 106 additional PC-7 Mark II) would be negotiated afresh and would almost certainly be higher, due to inflation.

The MoD ignored Browne's letter, being disinclined then to scupper an indigenous project. However, with the IAF blocking funding for the HTT-40, HAL was forced to commit Rs 180 crore of company funds in July 2013. In early 2014, that was upped to Rs 350 crore, with three prototypes to be built for accelerated flight-testing.

With the HTT-40 on track, and racing towards its first flight next year, two corruption allegations mysteriously popped up, stalling the project. Both alleged wrongdoing in HAL's selection of the Honeywell TPE 331-12B engine after an open tender, when the alternative supplier, Pratt & Whitney, refused to allow licensed manufacture in India. With the first flight looming, Honeywell agreed to provide a 'Category B' engine - a used engine with more than 80 per cent of its service life remaining.

The first complaint came in early November from the BJP MP from Jaunpur, Krishna Pratap Singh, who complained to the CVC about the engine selection and blamed HAL's design chief, T Suvarna Raju, who oversees the HTT-40 project. Investigation began and the MoD halted engine procurement.

Contacted by Business Standard, Krishna Pratap Singh claimed that he knew nothing about the HTT-40 or the issues involved. "About three to four months ago a sajjan (person of good character), who I don't remember now, came to me and said there was corruption. I only wrote that the matter be investigated, and any wrongdoing corrected," said Singh.

The second allegation came almost simultaneously from an NGO called Rashtriya Mukti Morcha. The RMM has neither expertise nor previous interest in aerospace. It has earlier filed petitions against Sonia Gandhi's right to hold constitutional office, and in the Jharkhand Mukti Morcha bribery case.

Contacted by Business Standard, RMM chief Ravindra Kumar acknowledges filing a complaint. He said details are in his files but he repeatedly denied requests to visit his office to ascertain the basis for his complaint.

CVC investigations into the complaints unearthed no wrongdoing; It is not unusual for 'Category B' engines to be chosen for prototypes, while buying new engines for the production aircraft. HAL had powered the intermediate jet trainer prototype with a 'Category B' Larzac engine, until new engines became available.

Even so, engine procurement was halted. Meanwhile the IAF repeatedly petitioned the MoD that Swiss trainers should be quickly bought since the HTT-40 would be late.

Meanwhile, the deputy chief of air staff (DCAS), who sits on HAL's board, steadfastly opposed funding for the HTT-40. When the board allocated Rs 180 crore in July 2013, the DCAS dissented in writing, something that the IAF now denies.

The IAF has sought to associate the PC-7 Mark II with the 'Make in India' drive by seeking to build it in India to blueprints provided by Pilatus. Yet that would essentially remain a foreign aircraft, with intellectual property, technology and licensing residing abroad. In contrast, a 'Make' category project like the HTT-40 would involve far more expansive indigenisation - including ground-up design and integration, test flying and certification and eventual manufacture.

In 2013, the IAF asked HAL to scrap the HTT-40 and instead build 106 PC-7 Mk II from technology transferred by Pilatus. "However, in their own interest HAL declined to participate in license manufacture of the PC-7 Mk II", the IAF told Business Standard.

Rebuffed by HAL, but insistent on providing a veneer of indigenisation, Browne bizarrely declared on October 8, 2013, that the IAF's base repair depots (BRDs), which maintain and overhaul aircraft and engines, could build the PC-7 Mark II. The IAF's maintenance chief, Air Marshal P Kanakaraj, quickly contradicted him, while the MoD simply ignored the proposal.

Now, however, battered to a halt by groundless complaints and unable to buy an engine, HAL has buckled under the pressure. Last month HAL chairman, RK Tyagi, agreed to build the PC-7 Mark II, while developing the HTT-40 as an HAL project.

Now even that is seen as a threat. At HAL's board meeting on December 20, PK Kataria, an MoD financial advisor questioned why the HTT-40 project should continue, since HAL would be building the PC-7 Mark II.

Defence Minister Manohar Parriker will pronounce final sentence on the HTT-40, in the apex Defence Acquisition Council. Asked when this would happen, he indicated that the die was not yet cast: "There are issues [relating to the Pilatus] that were raised and which have to be addressed. I think every query and every difficulty has to be properly addressed."

Scuttling a 'Made in India' project: The case of the HTT-40 trainer | Business Standard News
 
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WTF... HAL should not have touched the pc-7... let IAF BRD's build it.... or even better let reliance or tata build it....I am beginning to like the new DM...IAF has many Tatra like dealings... looks like these will finally com to light.
 
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lol butthurt sarakari damad of HAL are blabbering again. Sack all bureaucrat from HAL
 
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Ajai SHukla and his brainfarts. This guy has a mission : To try to find anything wrong with Modi Govt.

Previously he used to peddle F-35 then started pimping for Eurobird.. He is the one one who wrote article about falling morale of Armed forces on basis of a WHatsapp message originated from across the border. A typical SOB.
 
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The MoD ignored Browne's letter, being disinclined then to scupper an indigenous project. However, with the IAF blocking funding for the HTT-40, HAL was forced to commit Rs 180 crore of company funds in July 2013. In early 2014, that was upped to Rs 350 crore, with three prototypes to be built for accelerated flight-testing.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's around $55.56 million Dollar right? What a waste just to keep HAL's ego alive. :tsk:
 
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HAL screwed up this project. Its time to move on and ensure that such wastage does not happen again. There is no need to try making everything.

As said, they have plans and concepts for a new trainer for decades, but remained in their comfort zone of having the monopoly in the area of trainers and simply waited for IAF and MoD to fund a new development, instead of doing exactly what they do now, getting pro-active and develop at least a flyable tech demonstrator on their own.
But doing it now, after all the problems with the Deepak trainer, the delays of HTT40 and HTT36, as well as the PC7 already inducted in the IAF, it simply doesn't make sense to show a stubburn attitude and waste resources. Move on and focus on getting at least the HTT36 done!
 
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As said as it is, they have plans and concepts for a new trainer for decades, but remained in their comfort zone of having the monopoly in the area of trainers and simply waited for IAF and MoD to fund a new development, instead of doing exactly what they do now, getting pro-active and develop at least a flyable tech demonstrator on their own.
But doing it now, after all the problems with the Deepak trainer, the delays of HTT40 and HTT36, as well as the PC7 already inducted in the IAF, it simply doesn't make sense to show a stubburn attitude and waste resources. Move on and focus on getting at least the HTT36 done!
So what happened to IAF BRD mfg'ing the PC-7?

lol butthurt sarakari damad of HAL are blabbering again. Sack all bureaucrat from HAL
I would welcome that, Let IAF and ADA mfg it's own aircrafts.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's around $55.56 million Dollar right? What a waste just to keep HAL's ego alive. :tsk:
So was Mig27 Dare and Jaguar Darin III, both opposed by IAF tooth and nail.
 
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HAL sat idle on this project whilst Deepaks were falling out of the skies and taking the lives of budding airmen, they only started to take their design forward when the IAF was forced to go abroad on a fast track basis for BTTs.

HAL have no right to expect the BTT to go to them. Pilatus has done in 2 years what they failed to do in 20 and should be rewarded with more orders whilst HAL is disinvested further and a new mindset drummed into this PSU.
 
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SO HAL was misleading the whole country that HTT 40 is ready
or else why will the new govt which is very keen to start defence manufacturing in India
scrap HTT 40
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's around $55.56 million Dollar right? What a waste just to keep HAL's ego alive. :tsk:

good point Sancho agree with you and also While HAL was on the ball in terms of R&D in the 1970s and 80s when it came up with Marut, Kiran and Ajit trainers, it could not keep pace with IAF requirements in the 80s. The HAL has still not been able to deliver an Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT) to the IAF. HAL has not been able to transform itself into a forward-looking aerospace hub when compared to other agencies like Israeli Aircraft Industry or even Embraer of Brazil that started around the same time.

Till date the Governments ( ill wait and see for the present govt ) has perennially neglected the PSUs and treated them like doormats.There are many other PSUs where the Government has made huge investments without a long term view and without backing these investments to ensure the achievement of the objectives of these investments. This is because all decisions are taken by bureaucrats who think that they know everything about everything. The result is that a huge reserve of technical base, scientists, technocrats etc have all gone unutilised and wasted. It is a matter of time that the elite HAL will be with BIFR and face closure because some committee or secretary or minister thinks it is better to import. Most of the defence PSU's are nothing but a drain in the exchequer. It has become an employment agency for many people. With fixed tenures, no threat of punitive action for non-performance and no accountability to the government, the armed forces personnel (who are the users), the PSU's have kept churning out one sub-standard product after another. Better junk them and import - atleast the goods are guaranteed to work unlike some of the junk dished by the defence PSU's.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's around $55.56 million Dollar right? What a waste just to keep HAL's ego alive. :tsk:
Yes, it's ego after all. The ego to keep the tax rupees in India. We should be concentrating more on the remitting money to foreign franchises like augusta Westland, right?
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's around $55.56 million Dollar right? What a waste just to keep HAL's ego alive. :tsk:

I don't think you are looking at this from viewpoint of corporate culture.
55 million dollars was not wasted by satisfy anybody's ego, its just risk associated with business.
I, for one, am glad that PSUs are striving for more business like other private entities.
Isn't that what you wanted in the first place ?
 
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Ajai SHukla and his brainfarts. This guy has a mission : To try to find anything wrong with Modi Govt.

Previously he used to peddle F-35 then started pimping for Eurobird.. He is the one one who wrote article about falling morale of Armed forces on basis of a WHatsapp message originated from across the border. A typical SOB.
Exactly! This bugger, an ex Lt Col seems to have lost his brain cells. He's a disgrace! He lambasted everyone from the NTRO to the Coast Guard to the Defence Minister and all he could lay his hands on regarding the recent terrorist boat incident. He could have just shut the fuk up instead of playing into enemy hands.

But it takes all types to make this world.
 
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HAL sat idle on this project whilst Deepaks were falling out of the skies and taking the lives of budding airmen, they only started to take their design forward when the IAF was forced to go abroad on a fast track basis for BTTs.

HAL have no right to expect the BTT to go to them. Pilatus has done in 2 years what they failed to do in 20 and should be rewarded with more orders whilst HAL is disinvested further and a new mindset drummed into this PSU.

Why blame HAL for the cases filed by idiots from our Parliament and NGOs? Then sit and complain over delays. If the engines were procured then things could have been sped up.

If HAL guys are going to be sacked, the CBI should also enquire and put in jail the idiots who created issues of non issues, namely the MP who brought it up due to a 'sajjan' and the NGO which today does not have any papers on why they filed that case. Unless a case is made against them, this will continue and projects will keep getting delayed.
 
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