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Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman declared in a '60 Minutes' interview that Saudi Arabia would quickly acquire a nuclear bomb if Iran develops a nuclear weapon first
By UWE PARPART MARCH 20, 2018 12:45 AM (UTC+8

When Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS for short) meets US President Donald Trump in Washington on Tuesday (March 20), nuclear weapons will be high on the agenda.

MBS made sure of that when he said in a CBS “60 minutes” interview aired on Sunday, but in part released three days earlier, that “Saudi Arabia does not want to acquire any nuclear bomb, but without a doubt, if Iran developed a nuclear bomb, we will follow suit as soon as possible.”

The background is this: Saudi Arabia, to reduce its dependence on oil for electricity generation and free up more oil for exports, wants to build 16 nuclear power plants over the coming 20 to 25 years at a total price tag of over US$80 billion – and the Trump administration wants in on the deal. Negotiations on a US-Saudi nuclear agreement have been ongoing since at least last November. What makes the reported deal a dicey proposition is that the Saudis insist and the US apparently is willing to consider being “flexible” on uranium enrichment and reprocessing of spent reactor fuel, the technological prerequisites of nuclear bomb-making capability.

The Saudis argue that restrictions on its future nuclear activities should be no more stringent than those imposed on Iran by the 2015 nuclear deal. As the country’s Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir put it on February 18 of this year at the Munich Security Conference, “Our objective is we want to have the same rights as other countries.”

The Trump administration for its part is concerned that Russia or China might run away with a Saudi deal if the US plays tough on nuclear proliferation. In early March, US Energy Secretary Rick Perry led a delegation in London to discuss the conditions of the potential Saudi deal, and reportedly “progress was made.”

Beyond economic considerations, of course, Donald Trump – no friend of the Iran nuclear deal and no longer constrained by ex-Secretary of State Tillerson’s opposition to cancelling it – may positively look upon the deterrent value of a deal that, in the words of MBS, will allow the Saudis to “follow suit as soon as possible” if Iran develops a bomb.

What such Trumpian deal-making crucially ignores is the not inconsiderable possibility of blowback: a future Saudi Arabia in turmoil and radical Islamists capable of seizing its nukes. It’s a longstanding US and other powers’ concern when it comes to Pakistan’s nuclear capability.

The Pakistan Arrangement
But whatever MBS and Donald Trump end up agreeing to or may be announcing on Tuesday, there’s a fair chance that the whole thing’s just a dog and pony show, an elaborate sideshow to divert attention from the actual military and strategic arrangements currently in place.

Saudi Arabia, going all the way back to the early 1970s, has been the major financier of the Pakistani nuclear bomb project initiated by former prime minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. In 1998, then-prime minister Nawaz Sharif informed the Saudis prior to the nuclear tests of May 28 and Saudi Arabia softened the UN sanctions imposed on Pakistan with generous aid. In May 1999, Saudi defense minister Prince Sultan bin Abdulaziz visited the Kahuta Research Laboratories and he and Sharif were briefed there by German-educated scientist and father of the Pakistani bomb A. Q. Khan on the progress with nuclear devices.

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Supporters of Pakistani nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan try to shake hands with him during a ceremony at the Rawalpindi high court in 2010. Photo: AFP
Ever since, it is widely assumed that an agreement exists between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia that Pakistani nukes – long paid for many times over – could be transferred to Saudi Arabia on a moment’s notice in case of a crisis or may indeed already have been transferred on the basis a dual-key arrangement of control of nuclear warheads as long practiced by NATO, under which over 200 B61 US nuclear warheads are stationed in five NATO countries (including at Incirlik airbase in Turkey).

Ever since, it is widely assumed that an agreement exists between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia that Pakistani nukes – long paid for many times over – could be transferred to Saudi Arabia on a moment’s notice in case of a crisis or may indeed already have been transferred on the basis a dual-key arrangement of control of nuclear warheads as long practiced by NATO, under which over 200 B61 US nuclear warheads are stationed in five NATO countries (including at Incirlik airbase in Turkey).

It is highly likely that not only have Pakistani nuclear warheads been stationed in Saudi Arabia for many years, but that the two countries have practiced their deployment and employment. There is the closest of collaboration between the Pakistani and Saudi air forces.

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A Dongfeng 21 missile on a military parade in Beijing in 2015. Photo: CC BY-SA 4.0
In addition, Saudi Arabia since the 1980s is in possession of Chinese Donfeng 3 (Nato parlance CSS-2) and since 2007 of Donfeng 21 (CSS-5) intermediate range ballistic missiles. Both are nuclear capable; indeed, the older CSS-2 is ONLY of use for nuclear warheads as its circular error probability (CEP) is a large 300m, making it useless for close targeting required for conventional warheads.

Saudi Arabia HAS a nuclear retaliation capability against Iran (and, as they like to say, Israel) and is not in need of trying to develop nukes should the need arise as claimed by MBS.

In fact, Saudi Arabia has none of the infrastructure or materials science capability let alone the scientists to build nukes in a good long time.

Pakistani nukes on Chinese rockets will have to do the trick if needs arise.
 
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Acquire...how? are they available in the supermarket?
Two dozen nukes please with tomato sauce?
What weed is mixed in his hubble bubble?
 
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They may get nuclear umbrella from US or NATO but acquiring whole nuclear capability seems really difficult since Israel is sitting next door but Nuclear Iran will certainly change the dynamics of world's politics.
 
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Why Pakistan does not give nuclear umbrella to both KSA and Iran simultaneously ?


It will also ease the US tension in middle east on nuclear race .[emoji41] .


Both Iran and KSA will pay a small amount of money for nuclear umbrella .


Win win Situation for all stake holders.
 
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Its really worry some to see this Nuclear Arms race kicking.
US Allowed Israel to Acquire Nukes that will cause Iran to develop its own Nukes and that in turn push KSA to have Nukes of their own. Added ti this the blatant INVASIONS by USA of weaker countries like Iraq Afghanistan and Constant meddling and regime change games like in Libya and Syria furthur makes countries of region insecure. This Spread of Nuclear weapons is all on USA none else.

Plus a nuclear Armed KSA will be a disaster. Cause they can harass on their Foes in Muslim World but no Muslim Country can Do the same to them as they have Holy Lands under their control.
 
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nukes in saudia is very dangerous as they are on verge of civil war and nukes can be easily taken by isis and other terrorists
 
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I would also like to smoke whatever the prince is smoking
I would suspect that knowing the saudis this would have less to do with drug fueled delusions of grandeur and far more to do with inherited congenital brain abnormalities due to generations of royal inbreeding.
 
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"Saudi Arabia, going all the way back to the early 1970s, has been the major financier of the Pakistani nuclear bomb project initiated by former prime minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. In 1998, then-prime minister Nawaz Sharif informed the Saudis prior to the nuclear tests of May 28 and Saudi Arabia softened the UN sanctions imposed on Pakistan with generous aid."
This was intended to help a Muslim country join the nuclear club, and give it a deterrent and parity with its declared enemy, namely India.. And what we see today is a bunch of ignorants insulting KSA and trying to demean it..just to satisfy their sick hearts and poisoned minds.. Just seek the truth and make it your real thought.. this program alone costed more than $50 billion to KSA.. and those are the 70s, 80s sand 90s billions.. that if counted for today's value will exceed $100 billion.. and nothing was asked for in return.. So no wonder when we hear Pakistani officials saying that the security of Saudi Arabia is a red line for Pakistan.. that is the least that can be expected..
And everyone should know that Saudi acquisition and mastery of a civilian nuclear program is a good addition to all Muslims..technology-wise..

Acquire...how? are they available in the supermarket?
Two dozen nukes please with tomato sauce?
What weed is mixed in his hubble bubble?
It says develop..not acquire..
 
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"Saudi Arabia, going all the way back to the early 1970s, has been the major financier of the Pakistani nuclear bomb project initiated by former prime minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. In 1998, then-prime minister Nawaz Sharif informed the Saudis prior to the nuclear tests of May 28 and Saudi Arabia softened the UN sanctions imposed on Pakistan with generous aid."
This was intended to help a Muslim country join the nuclear club, and give it a deterrent and parity with its declared enemy, namely India.. And what we see today is a bunch of ignorants insulting KSA and trying to demean it..just to satisfy their sick hearts and poisoned minds.. Just seek the truth and make it your real thought.. this program alone costed more than $50 billion to KSA.. and those are the 70s, 80s sand 90s billions.. that if counted for today's value will exceed $100 billion.. and nothing was asked for in return.. So no wonder when we hear Pakistani officials saying that the security of Saudi Arabia is a red line for Pakistan.. that is the least that can be expected..
And everyone should know that Saudi acquisition and mastery of a civilian nuclear program is a good addition to all Muslims..technology-wise..


It says develop..not acquire..
KSA will have the nuclear shield from somewhere if its territorial integrity is threatened so it does not need to develop its own nuke but civilian program is okay.
Furthermore in today's environment it would be very very difficult if not impossible due to highly sophisticated spying systems.
 
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KSA will have the nuclear shield from somewhere if its territorial integrity is threatened so it does not need to develop its own nuke but civilian program is okay.
Furthermore in today's environment it would be very very difficult if not impossible due to highly sophisticated spying systems.
KSA said openly that it is not seeking nuclear weapons..just a civilian nuclear program with the right to enrichment of LEU, like Iran.. So if Iran is allowed by the international community, others too should be.. it is a question of rights..
 
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Acquire...how? are they available in the supermarket?
Two dozen nukes please with tomato sauce?
What weed is mixed in his hubble bubble?
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

I would also like to smoke whatever the prince is smoking
Good Moroccan weed...the best of the best...

"Saudi Arabia, going all the way back to the early 1970s, has been the major financier of the Pakistani nuclear bomb project initiated by former prime minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. In 1998, then-prime minister Nawaz Sharif informed the Saudis prior to the nuclear tests of May 28 and Saudi Arabia softened the UN sanctions imposed on Pakistan with generous aid."
This was intended to help a Muslim country join the nuclear club, and give it a deterrent and parity with its declared enemy, namely India.. And what we see today is a bunch of ignorants insulting KSA and trying to demean it..just to satisfy their sick hearts and poisoned minds.. Just seek the truth and make it your real thought.. this program alone costed more than $50 billion to KSA.. and those are the 70s, 80s sand 90s billions.. that if counted for today's value will exceed $100 billion.. and nothing was asked for in return.. So no wonder when we hear Pakistani officials saying that the security of Saudi Arabia is a red line for Pakistan.. that is the least that can be expected..
And everyone should know that Saudi acquisition and mastery of a civilian nuclear program is a good addition to all Muslims..technology-wise..


It says develop..not acquire..
It is a known fact that KSA helped financially Pakistan, but to say that they can acquire them because they helped, it a little bit far fetched...and building a bomb from a scratch is a tall order for any country.
Ps..A CIA higher up during the Bush jr administration has claimed on a CBS 60 min episode that the Sauds have been provided with nuclear head by Pakistan..where that is true or not, need to be determined...So far the barking chihuahua hasn’t barked yet, like they barked when the Sauds acquired the century awacs...during the Carter administration...
 
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