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Saudi journalist: If Muslims despise the ‘infidel’ West, Why are they so eager to live there?

the same way, Muslims have colonized the countries of non-Muslims (for example Kashmir).
Ethnic Kashmiris colonizing themselves ? :o:So who was inhabiting that land prior to these Kashmiris? Must be some Bengalis or marathas?

Your logic is screwed up like your jack *** of an existence.
 
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Ethnic Kashmiris colonizing themselves ? :o:So who was inhabiting that land prior to these Kashmiris? Must be some Bengalis or marathas?

Kashmir was just an example.

But Kashmiris were not always Muslims.

A part of them became Muslims through invasions of non-Kashmiri Muslims (Turks, Afghans etc.).

And Kashmiri Muslims started to align themselves with the other Muslims, their invaders.

Just like many Pakistanis rather recognize the invaders of their lands (Muhammed Bin Qasim) instead of those who tried to defend it (Raja Dahir).

So, even though you (and the Kashmiri Muslims) were also the victim(s), when you align yourself (as in being a traitor) with your invaders, you will be treated the same as your invaders by the non-Muslims who want their revenge (their 'payback') for what the invaders have done.

Does it make sense now?

Your logic is screwed up like your jack *** of an existence.

My existence is not screwed up.
Since I am able to make you mad, I would say my existence is very useful.
 
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look who is talking about the west.at least other muslim countries don't kill journalists inside embassies.
 
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Muslims are a huge group of people all around the world and have cultural/perspective differences. Some Muslim majority nations are doing fine and satisfied with where they are. Others in the Middle east are victims of great powers politics and brutal dictatorships. And are justified in their discontent with those specific parties. It's not an ideological issue and to say Muslims hate the West is ridiculous and not true. Most Muslims live in eastern part of the world minding their own business and not even thinking about the Western part of the world.

The people in the Middle East/North Africa need better governance and more security/less instability. The global powers that are heavily invested in these regions should them achieve these goals to gain a better reputation.

Also Muslims in the West or born there are Westerners with Western style thinking/culture. No need to bring up their religious background.
 
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Why Jews immigrated to Palestine since, they claim, Arabs hate them?
 
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Why Jews immigrated to Palestine since, they claim, Arabs hate them?

Because the Nazis hated them even more.

I think they took the road of the 'least' hate.

Arabs should see it as a compliment. :D

But Zionism had more to do with the Jews wanting to claim back the lands which they called Israel.

They did not care if the Arabs hated them, because they intended to drive them out of Palestine.

They used the Holocaust as a way to entrap the West with guilt and they exploited that guilt for support in order execute their Zionism.

The Jews, in history, have been driven out Jerusalem (and the lands of Israel) many times by many people (Babylonians, Persians, Romans etc.).

If the Jews wanted to take revenge, they should have attacked these people.

They had no right to attack the Palestinians, since they were not the ones (in history) who have driven them out.

The Palestinians, however, do have the right to take revenge, since the Jews have attacked them and driven them out of Palestine.
 
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Kashmir was just an example.

But Kashmiris were not always Muslims.

A part of them became Muslims through invasions of non-Kashmiri Muslims (Turks, Afghans etc.).

And Kashmiri Muslims started to align themselves with the other Muslims, their invaders.

Just like many Pakistanis rather recognize the invaders of their lands (Muhammed Bin Qasim) instead of those who tried to defend it (Raja Dahir).

So, even though you (and the Kashmiri Muslims) were also the victim(s), when you align yourself (as in being a traitor) with your invaders, you will be treated the same as your invaders by the non-Muslims who want their revenge (their 'payback') for what the invaders have done.

Does it make sense now?



My existence is not screwed up.
Since I am able to make you mad, I would say my existence is very useful.

What makes you think that we oughta cherish a Brahman Raja dahir who usurped power from a Buddhist king and ruled the indeginous Sindhi Buddhist population with an iron first.


Lil do you know that it was the high caste hindu dynasties who rampaged our Buddhists ancestors and forcefully converted them to Hinduism.


So, they eventually found a way out in the form of Islam. Else they'd still be facing the same fate like that of the low caste Dalits.
 
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What makes you think that we oughta cherish a Brahman Raja dahir who usurped power from a Buddhist king and ruled the indeginous Sindhi Buddhist population with an iron first.

He might have ruled them with an iron fist, but he was no different from the Muslim invaders, who also ruled with iron fists.

Lil do you know that it was the high caste hindu dynasties who rampaged our Buddhists ancestors and forcefully converted them to Hinduism.

It was just an example.

Even though Raja Dahir forcefully converted your Buddhist ancestors to Hinduism, the same could also be said of Muhammad Bin Qasim and other Muslim invaders in what is now Pakistan.

You might say that Pakistanis became Muslim because of Sufi saints.
And that might be true for a large part, but you cannot deny that a number of Pakistanis became Muslims by force and that this was done by these Muslim invaders.

How do you know for sure that your Buddhist ancestors were forcefully converted by Hindus?
Maybe they became willingly Hindus?

And after they became Hindus (whether out of free will or by force) how do you know for sure that they became Muslims out of free will? They could also be forced to become Muslim by the invaders.

It could all be possible.

If you do not want to cherish Raja Dahir (and other Hindu dynasties) because of his (and their) forceful conversions of your Buddhist ancestors, you should also not cherish Muhammad Bin Qasim and every other Muslim invaders since they could also have been guilty of forceful conversions of the same ancestors.

So, they eventually found a way out in the form of Islam.

But if they were Buddhist in the first place, should they not have returned to Buddhism?
Would that not make more sense?

Else they'd still be facing the same fate like that of the low caste Dalits.

If they were Buddhist then they could not be seen as Hindus and also not be categorized in a specific caste.

Pakistan nowadays may not have the same caste system as in India, but there is still a type of social system, not based on religion but on descent and profession.

Read the following excerpts from an article:

'The landowners are followed by comparatively “lower” castes including lohar, tarkhan, mochi, mirasi who are then followed by chooray, chamar and masalis.
Keeping the lower castes aside, even the middle and the upper middle classes have divided themselves into a number of castes including Rajput, Syed, Dhillon, Butt, Bhattis, Jutt, Janjua, Siqqiquis and many more which cannot be mentioned because the list will never end.
“Lower castes” are referred to as Neech Zaat (low caste) and Badnasal (of bad lineage). In Balochistan the “lower castes” include Ghulams (slaves), Lohris (musicians), and Lachhis (Dalits).
In Sindh, “high-caste” Muslims, in addition to Shahs and Syeds, include the Akhunds, Effendis, Soomros, Talpurs, and Pirs.
Hajjams
(barbers), Dhobis (washers), Kumbhars (potters), Maachis/ Mallahs(fisherfolk) and Bhajeer (Dalit converts to Islam) are considered “low caste”.'

'In places like Swat (the place where Malala Yousafzai comes from), the Quom system is comparative to the Hindu caste system. Here, groups are divided rigidly according to their occupation. Quoms do not intermarry or live together.'

'Each caste has this notion of being superior to another. Since caste has remained an important and key factor during matchmaking most of the Rajputs refuse to marry their kids outside of their castes, so do Syeds (who claim to be descendants of Mohammed), so do the Jutts and everybody for that matter.'

'However, most people in Pakistan would agree that caste, biradri, quom is a very important part of social identity, especially in rural areas.'

Are the contents of these excerpts true?

Does Pakistan have a biradri and / or quom system which results in social stratification and inequality?
Does Pakistan have a caste system based on descent, where, for example, a Muslim of Arab descent (Syed) ranks higher than a Dalit Hindu convert to Islam (Bhajeer)?

Because if so, becoming a Muslim (as a Dalit Hindu) will not increase their social status in Pakistan.
It will not empower them.
They will just become a 'Dalit Muslim' (Bhajeer).
 
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People go to the west becuase the west gives them something that is promised in Islam but dictators and despots won't loterate.

Freedom.
 
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How do you know for sure that your Buddhist ancestors were forcefully converted by Hindus?
Maybe they became willingly Hindus?

And after they became Hindus (whether out of free will or by force) how do you know for sure that they became Muslims out of free will? They could also be forced to become Muslim by the invaders.

And vice versa - - - - - - - -.

P:S : no way iam gonna bow down to some high caste hindu plonkers and get smashed for drinking water from the same utensils, praying in the same temple or for simply coming in contact with such beasts.
 
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Okay since you saudis are a developed country why dont you accept Muslim immigrants of course not because Saudis are dirtbag hypocrites.
 
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And vice versa - - - - - - - -.

Yes, that is what I said: 'It could all be possible'.

P:S : no way iam gonna bow down to some high caste hindu plonkers and get smashed for drinking water from the same utensils, praying in the same temple or for simply coming in contact with such beasts.

Of course not.
You should not bow down to anyone, whether they are high caste Hindus or Arab Muslims or whatever...

P.S.
My ancestors (contract labourers from British India) were middle and lower caste Hindus.

One of the reasons I am not a Hindu anymore is because of upper / high caste Indian Hindus in the Netherlands who look down upon my people (Surinamese Hindustanis).

Why would I listen to an Indian Hindu Brahman pandit telling me what to do, while he looks down upon me?

F*ck that.

Nowadays I am non-religious.
 
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Yes, that is what I said: 'It could all be possible'.



Of course not.
You should not bow down to anyone, whether they are high caste Hindus or Arab Muslims or whatever...

P.S.
My ancestors (contract labourers from British India) were middle and lower caste Hindus.

One of the reasons I am not a Hindu anymore is because of upper / high caste Indian Hindus in the Netherlands who look down upon my people (Surinamese Hindustanis).

Why would I listen to an Indian Hindu Brahman pandit telling me what to do, while he looks down upon me?

F*ck that.

Nowadays I am non-religious.
Bitva chahtay kia ho phr o_O
 
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